Elektron Musical Instruments

I have never had any syncing issues with my DAW or other gear and my MD, so i am just buying the Turbo midi to improve sample transfer times...

I have never tried to sync it with live, so i guess im missing out on some crap syncing here...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: onosendai@... 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:27 AM
  Subject: [elektron] Turbo midi : so what ?


  I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...

  It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to pay 60 euros
  for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the sync
  problem we all have with MD ?

  I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can do that
  well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere else.

  For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)

  But maybe i'm wrong ?

  Ono


   

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I can understand this sentiment, if I had syncing issues with my MD I would be skeptical as well...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony Scharf 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Turbo midi : so what ?


  onosendai@... wrote:
  > 
  > 
  > I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...
  > 
  > It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to pay 
  > 60 euros
  > for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the sync
  > problem we all have with MD ?
  > 
  > I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can do that
  > well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere else.
  > 
  > For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)
  > 
  > But maybe i'm wrong ?
  > 

  This was exactly my question. seems like a way to skirt the issue of a 
  larger problem...

  Tony



   

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Usually problems syncing hardware to computers have to do with the crappy
timing of the computer.  In fact, most of the trouble Elektron has had with
software manufacturers (e.g. Steinberg) has to do with improper
implementation of the MIDI specification on the software end.

/SCott

On 10/3/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote:
>
>   I have never had any syncing issues with my DAW or other gear and my MD,
> so i am just buying the Turbo midi to improve sample transfer times...
>
> I have never tried to sync it with live, so i guess im missing out on some
> crap syncing here...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: onosendai@... <onosendai%40free.fr>
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com <elektron-users%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:27 AM
> Subject: [elektron] Turbo midi : so what ?
>
> I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...
>
> It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to pay 60
> euros
> for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the sync
> problem we all have with MD ?
>
> I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can do
> that
> well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere else.
>
> For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)
>
> But maybe i'm wrong ?
>
> Ono
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>



-- 
Scott Kellogg


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or the interface between the two.  i never had a single problem  
syncing either my mnm or my md with Live.  then again, i was using a  
decent, fast, firewire interface (motu 828 mkii).


On Oct 3, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Scott Kellogg wrote:
> Usually problems syncing hardware to computers have to do with the  
> crappy
> timing of the computer. In fact, most of the trouble Elektron has  
> had with
> software manufacturers (e.g. Steinberg) has to do with improper
> implementation of the MIDI specification on the software end.


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I have heard plenty of complaints about MIDI being too slow, related to it being a serial interface, therefore multiple MIDI events that occur at the same time are played back one after the other, not all at once. So the notes in a chord and drum beats that happen at exactly the same time in your sequencer do not get played back at exactly the same time from the MIDI device.
 
Maybe not an issue if just using MIDI for sync, and not actually playing notes through it.

Simon
Canberra
AUSTRALIA

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From: onosendai@...
Sent: Wed 4/10/2006 2:18 AM

Well, we use midi since more than ten years and i never heard someone complain
about slow midi specification... Think about Jarre, Tangerine Dreams and
Vangelis, how many synth they use with "simple" midi ?

Ono 
  
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sit down and do some math.  at a rate of 31.25Khz, the amount of delay 
between one note and the next will be very very very low.  The only time 
you run into issues is if you are running everything on a single 
out-thru-in chain (which not many people do) or are pounding out LOTS of 
controller data.

In either case, ive been using midi heavily for more about 15 years now 
and, with the exception of instances where the cables were bad or I was 
breaking one of the rules above, have never had a problem with latency.

its amazing, in this modern age, just how far our heads get up our own 
asses worrying about non issues more than we make music.

Tony

Wheaton, Simon wrote:

> 
> 
> I have heard plenty of complaints about MIDI being too slow, related to 
> it being a serial interface, therefore multiple MIDI events that occur 
> at the same time are played back one after the other, not all at once. 
> So the notes in a chord and drum beats that happen at exactly the same 
> time in your sequencer do not get played back at exactly the same time 
> from the MIDI device.
> 
> Maybe not an issue if just using MIDI for sync, and not actually playing 
> notes through it.
> 
> Simon
> Canberra
> AUSTRALIA
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: onosendai@... <mailto:onosendai%40free.fr>
> Sent: Wed 4/10/2006 2:18 AM
> 
> Well, we use midi since more than ten years and i never heard someone 
> complain
> about slow midi specification... Think about Jarre, Tangerine Dreams and
> Vangelis, how many synth they use with "simple" midi ?
> 
> Ono
> 
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Using these particular machines, I pound out as much controller data as I can get away with before things start bogging down. I think the "thin data" CAL script is sick of me. I can definitely use a bunch more bandwidth.  What can I say, I like recording lots of knob/control moves - even when I manage to get my head most of the way out of my ass! 

-----Original Message-----

>From: Tony Scharf <tony@...>
>Sent: Oct 3, 2006 3:57 PM
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Turbo midi : so what ?
>
>
>sit down and do some math.  at a rate of 31.25Khz, the amount of delay 
>between one note and the next will be very very very low.  The only time 
>you run into issues is if you are running everything on a single 
>out-thru-in chain (which not many people do) or are pounding out LOTS of 
>controller data.
>
>In either case, ive been using midi heavily for more about 15 years now 
>and, with the exception of instances where the cables were bad or I was 
>breaking one of the rules above, have never had a problem with latency.
>
>its amazing, in this modern age, just how far our heads get up our own 
>asses worrying about non issues more than we make music.
>
>Tony
>
>

indeed.  the only time i've ever had a problem was when i did not  
turn on controller thinning on my formerly owned andromeda.   
otherwise, it's just the typical bitchfest from technicians.  for me,  
turbo midi = faster UW dumps, period.  I don't have any problems  
synching to Cubase nor Live.

arise from your graves, technicians, and make some music.
On Oct 3, 2006, at 2:57 PM, Tony Scharf wrote:
> its amazing, in this modern age, just how far our heads get up our own
> asses worrying about non issues more than we make music.
>
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