Elektron Musical Instruments

I have completely run out of ideas on this, but its driving me crazy.

If I either use the MnM to sequence external gear, or send midi data to gear
via the MnM's thru port, certain pieces of gear in my studio start to go
absolutely crazy (i.e. stuck notes, held notes cutting out, lock ups and
freezes).  What I dont get is that the MnM doesnt even have to be playing
*anything* for this to happen.  For example, if I plug my MPC1000 into the
input on the MnM, and then take the thru port into my PEK, the pek goes
crazy with cutting off notes, and its sequencer timing gets all messed up.
my TG33 and Proteus 2500 both start getting bad stuck notes.  my clavia G2
just completely looses it, locking up and playing random notes.  If i remove
the MnM from the equation, and just go straight from MPC to
PEK/TG33/P2500/G2, then all is well and I dont see this at all.

I have also attempted sequencing the PEK and G2 from the MnM.  I get the
same type of wierd behaviors then, but it seems somehow associated with
having a track in the MnM that is running an Arpegiator (internal or MIDI
track, gives the same results).

It is really baffling, and makes the MIDI tracks on the MnM effectively
useless for me.

Does anyone have any suggestions?  Ive tried changing cables, and capturing
the MIDI coming out in MIDI OX, but everything *looks* normal.  its the
strangest kind of bad voodoo ive run across in a piece of modern gear.

Tony


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Hey Tony,

have you tried to use midiOx or something similar to see what the output of
the MnM was like ? Maybe it would help finding the cause.

Good luck
Marc.
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I have, and it yeilds nothing.   that is what is so frustrating - I cant see
a data error.  Maybe Ill recapture the data and send it on to the list.  A
few more sets of eyes looking at it might catch something I missed.

Tony


On 5/14/07, M-.-n <nostromo@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey Tony,
>
> have you tried to use midiOx or something similar to see what the output
> of
> the MnM was like ? Maybe it would help finding the cause.
>
> Good luck
> Marc.
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Hey Tony,I have EXACTLY the same problem...I have a big set-up and 
everything worked normal until I put my MnM in the chain...My Yamaha DX-200 
regularly locks-up (midi-error) ... very strange as I have a midi-patchbay 
en de MnM and DX200 have separate midi-channels/cables....
Anyone got a clue? I remember I had that problem also with V1.70 but now 
with V1.80 it's more prominent....

Club Filth


>From: "Tony Scharf" <noisetheorem@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [elektron] very strange midi behavior from the MnM
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:20:47 -0500
>
>I have completely run out of ideas on this, but its driving me crazy.
>
>If I either use the MnM to sequence external gear, or send midi data to 
>gear
>via the MnM's thru port, certain pieces of gear in my studio start to go
>absolutely crazy (i.e. stuck notes, held notes cutting out, lock ups and
>freezes).  What I dont get is that the MnM doesnt even have to be playing
>*anything* for this to happen.  For example, if I plug my MPC1000 into the
>input on the MnM, and then take the thru port into my PEK, the pek goes
>crazy with cutting off notes, and its sequencer timing gets all messed up.
>my TG33 and Proteus 2500 both start getting bad stuck notes.  my clavia G2
>just completely looses it, locking up and playing random notes.  If i 
>remove
>the MnM from the equation, and just go straight from MPC to
>PEK/TG33/P2500/G2, then all is well and I dont see this at all.
>
>I have also attempted sequencing the PEK and G2 from the MnM.  I get the
>same type of wierd behaviors then, but it seems somehow associated with
>having a track in the MnM that is running an Arpegiator (internal or MIDI
>track, gives the same results).
>
>It is really baffling, and makes the MIDI tracks on the MnM effectively
>useless for me.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions?  Ive tried changing cables, and capturing
>the MIDI coming out in MIDI OX, but everything *looks* normal.  its the
>strangest kind of bad voodoo ive run across in a piece of modern gear.
>
>Tony
>
>
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Hey Tony,I have EXACTLY the same problem...I have a big set-up and 
everything worked normal until I put my MnM in the chain...My Yamaha DX-200 
regularly locks-up (midi-error) ... very strange as I have a midi-patchbay 
en de MnM and DX200 have separate midi-channels/cables....
Anyone got a clue? I remember I had that problem also with V1.70 but now 
with V1.80 it's more prominent....

Club Filth


>From: "Tony Scharf" <noisetheorem@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [elektron] very strange midi behavior from the MnM
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:20:47 -0500
>
>I have completely run out of ideas on this, but its driving me crazy.
>
>If I either use the MnM to sequence external gear, or send midi data to 
>gear
>via the MnM's thru port, certain pieces of gear in my studio start to go
>absolutely crazy (i.e. stuck notes, held notes cutting out, lock ups and
>freezes).  What I dont get is that the MnM doesnt even have to be playing
>*anything* for this to happen.  For example, if I plug my MPC1000 into the
>input on the MnM, and then take the thru port into my PEK, the pek goes
>crazy with cutting off notes, and its sequencer timing gets all messed up.
>my TG33 and Proteus 2500 both start getting bad stuck notes.  my clavia G2
>just completely looses it, locking up and playing random notes.  If i 
>remove
>the MnM from the equation, and just go straight from MPC to
>PEK/TG33/P2500/G2, then all is well and I dont see this at all.
>
>I have also attempted sequencing the PEK and G2 from the MnM.  I get the
>same type of wierd behaviors then, but it seems somehow associated with
>having a track in the MnM that is running an Arpegiator (internal or MIDI
>track, gives the same results).
>
>It is really baffling, and makes the MIDI tracks on the MnM effectively
>useless for me.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions?  Ive tried changing cables, and capturing
>the MIDI coming out in MIDI OX, but everything *looks* normal.  its the
>strangest kind of bad voodoo ive run across in a piece of modern gear.
>
>Tony
>
>
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Tim:

I dont even have a MIDI patch bay involved - I removed that from the chain
because I thought it was the problem.

Its some small comfort that I am not the only one that is experiencing this
off behavior, and It encourages me that it may be something software side
that can be fixed.

Tonight I am going to do some extensive tests to see if I can root down what
data is causing the trouble.

Tony



On 5/14/07, Tim Wellens <timwel@...> wrote:
>
>   Hey Tony,I have EXACTLY the same problem...I have a big set-up and
> everything worked normal until I put my MnM in the chain...My Yamaha
> DX-200
> regularly locks-up (midi-error) ... very strange as I have a midi-patchbay
>
> en de MnM and DX200 have separate midi-channels/cables....
> Anyone got a clue? I remember I had that problem also with V1.70 but now
> with V1.80 it's more prominent....
>
> Club Filth
>
> >From: "Tony Scharf" <noisetheorem@... <noisetheorem%40gmail.com>>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com<elektron-users%40yahoogroups.com>
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com <elektron-users%40yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [elektron] very strange midi behavior from the MnM
> >Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:20:47 -0500
> >
> >I have completely run out of ideas on this, but its driving me crazy.
> >
> >If I either use the MnM to sequence external gear, or send midi data to
> >gear
> >via the MnM's thru port, certain pieces of gear in my studio start to go
> >absolutely crazy (i.e. stuck notes, held notes cutting out, lock ups and
> >freezes). What I dont get is that the MnM doesnt even have to be playing
> >*anything* for this to happen. For example, if I plug my MPC1000 into the
> >input on the MnM, and then take the thru port into my PEK, the pek goes
> >crazy with cutting off notes, and its sequencer timing gets all messed
> up.
> >my TG33 and Proteus 2500 both start getting bad stuck notes. my clavia G2
> >just completely looses it, locking up and playing random notes. If i
> >remove
> >the MnM from the equation, and just go straight from MPC to
> >PEK/TG33/P2500/G2, then all is well and I dont see this at all.
> >
> >I have also attempted sequencing the PEK and G2 from the MnM. I get the
> >same type of wierd behaviors then, but it seems somehow associated with
> >having a track in the MnM that is running an Arpegiator (internal or MIDI
> >track, gives the same results).
> >
> >It is really baffling, and makes the MIDI tracks on the MnM effectively
> >useless for me.
> >
> >Does anyone have any suggestions? Ive tried changing cables, and
> capturing
> >the MIDI coming out in MIDI OX, but everything *looks* normal. its the
> >strangest kind of bad voodoo ive run across in a piece of modern gear.
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >
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> >
>
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Is the TM-1 discontinued??? On the elektron website there are none
available to purchase but if you try to add it to your cart anyways, it
says the product is discontinued.  Is this true or are they just out of
stock at the moment?

I think it's an error.  It said that once before a few months ago too,
but Daniel said it was definitely not discontinued.

On 5/16/07, Morris, John K <jkmorris@...> wrote:
> Is the TM-1 discontinued??? On the elektron website there are none
> available to purchase but if you try to add it to your cart anyways, it
> says the product is discontinued.  Is this true or are they just out of
> stock at the moment?
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Hey I have this SAME problem. I've tried a couple of midi interfaces 
(emagic AMT-8 + MOTU Midi Express XT), a couple of different 
patching programs (Midi-OX, Unitor Control, a DAW) and even found it 
when connecting the MNM to other things directly.

There are some other issues, too. When slaved to external sync, 
pressing stop on my sequencer only stops the monomachine for a 
minute or so, at which point it amazingly decides to start playing 
back by itself. It is NOT that voices are sustaining - the entire 
sequencer just magically starts by itself. It does this even after 
a "double stop" on the mnm.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Wellens" <timwel@...> 
wrote:
>
> Hey Tony,I have EXACTLY the same problem...I have a big set-up and 
> everything worked normal until I put my MnM in the chain...My 
Yamaha DX-200 
> regularly locks-up (midi-error) ... very strange as I have a midi-
patchbay 
> en de MnM and DX200 have separate midi-channels/cables....
> Anyone got a clue? I remember I had that problem also with V1.70 
but now 
> with V1.80 it's more prominent....
> 
> Club Filth
> 
> 
> >From: "Tony Scharf" <noisetheorem@...>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [elektron] very strange midi behavior from the MnM
> >Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:20:47 -0500
> >
> >I have completely run out of ideas on this, but its driving me 
crazy.
> >
> >If I either use the MnM to sequence external gear, or send midi 
data to 
> >gear
> >via the MnM's thru port, certain pieces of gear in my studio 
start to go
> >absolutely crazy (i.e. stuck notes, held notes cutting out, lock 
ups and
> >freezes).  What I dont get is that the MnM doesnt even have to be 
playing
> >*anything* for this to happen.  For example, if I plug my MPC1000 
into the
> >input on the MnM, and then take the thru port into my PEK, the 
pek goes
> >crazy with cutting off notes, and its sequencer timing gets all 
messed up.
> >my TG33 and Proteus 2500 both start getting bad stuck notes.  my 
clavia G2
> >just completely looses it, locking up and playing random notes.  
If i 
> >remove
> >the MnM from the equation, and just go straight from MPC to
> >PEK/TG33/P2500/G2, then all is well and I dont see this at all.
> >
> >I have also attempted sequencing the PEK and G2 from the MnM.  I 
get the
> >same type of wierd behaviors then, but it seems somehow 
associated with
> >having a track in the MnM that is running an Arpegiator (internal 
or MIDI
> >track, gives the same results).
> >
> >It is really baffling, and makes the MIDI tracks on the MnM 
effectively
> >useless for me.
> >
> >Does anyone have any suggestions?  Ive tried changing cables, and 
capturing
> >the MIDI coming out in MIDI OX, but everything *looks* normal.  
its the
> >strangest kind of bad voodoo ive run across in a piece of modern 
gear.
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >
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> >
> 
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> When slaved to external sync, 
> pressing stop on my sequencer only stops the monomachine for a 
> minute or so, at which point it amazingly decides to start playing 
> back by itself. It is NOT that voices are sustaining - the entire 
> sequencer just magically starts by itself. It does this even after 
> a "double stop" on the mnm.

I have this problem too, but it isn't the entire sequencer I believe, 
it seems to be single tracks or arpeggio tracks or something that 
starts after a little while. Are you guys saying it is worse in the 
latest OS v1.08? In that case I might skip upgrading and wait for 
Elektron to fix it.