Elektron Musical Instruments

>Well, I guess that extra track would be awesome, but imagine the
>luxury of having a noisegate specifically called "SID GATE", you
>couldn't change any parameter on, that would be just to route your
>sidstation through the MD, so you'd have your extra track, and a noise
>gate, then the MD and Sidstation would make one.

I was dreaming of exactly the same thing :)

Erik
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Does anyone know if there will ever be a graphical SID editor for the PC
or Mac? This would make the SID's power so easy to access. Every other synth
in my studio is pre-1983 which means LOTS OF KNOBS, so flipping through
those SID screens makes me go crazy after a while(especially making
tables!!)
    I'd really love to hear any info about software like this.

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I know this has been mentioned on here before, and to
the best of my knowledge there isn't any yet.  I'd
started work on a patch editor for linux, but got the
core code finished only to get my MD in the mail.  So
it's still lacking any sort of interface, heh.  Maybe
after I stop being distracted by the MD I'll go back
and finish it.  Of course, that's assuming anyone
wants an editor for linux.  Heh.

c.

--- Inform3r <inform3r@...> wrote:
>     Does anyone know if there will ever be a
> graphical SID editor for the PC
> or Mac? This would make the SID's power so easy to
> access. Every other synth
> in my studio is pre-1983 which means LOTS OF KNOBS,
> so flipping through
> those SID screens makes me go crazy after a
> while(especially making
> tables!!)
>     I'd really love to hear any info about software
> like this.
> 
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>     Does anyone know if there will ever be a graphical SID editor for the PC
> or Mac? This would make the SID's power so easy to access. Every other synth
> in my studio is pre-1983 which means LOTS OF KNOBS, so flipping through
> those SID screens makes me go crazy after a while(especially making
> tables!!)
>     I'd really love to hear any info about software like this.

If knobs you seek, these are your friends!!
http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm
http://www.doepfer.de/pc.htm
http://www.doepfer.de/prod_e.htm

-N

--- shifty@... wrote:
> If knobs you seek, these are your friends!!
> http://www.doepfer.de/db_e.htm

Someday I'd like to be able to afford one of those. 
64 knobs of realtime control for the sidstation is too
great.

On a related note: anyone interested in turning the MD
into a mono/tri midi sequencer for the sidstation may
want to check out www.future-retro.com.  They have a
mono sequencer that's only $325, and uses midi and/or
CV.  the product name is "mobius".  

c.

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> On a related note: anyone interested in turning the
> MD
> into a mono/tri midi sequencer for the sidstation
> may
> want to check out www.future-retro.com.  They have a
> mono sequencer that's only $325, and uses midi
> and/or
> CV.  the product name is "mobius".  

Hello, 

I owned a mobius, I traded it for an er-1. Unless you
like x0x style sequencing, and turning a knob to 
whatever note you want to put in, I wouldn't recommend
it. Now if it took notes and placed them in the 
sequence from an external source it would be bad ass,
or if there was an computer based editor (which
someone
could probably write very easily, I have no such 
inclination). Now, maybe I didn't get into the guts of

the sequencer, but didn't really seem to have any, and
was in my opinion, kind of souless.

Mark Negated
(Really not trashing the mobius, well... maybe a 
little)



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Hello!

On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Corey Appleby wrote:
>
> I know this has been mentioned on here before, and to
> the best of my knowledge there isn't any yet.  I'd
> started work on a patch editor for linux, but got the
> core code finished only to get my MD in the mail.  So
> it's still lacking any sort of interface, heh.  Maybe
> after I stop being distracted by the MD I'll go back
> and finish it.  Of course, that's assuming anyone
> wants an editor for linux.  Heh.

I would be happy to see the source... perhaps I can continue with it or
we'll coordinate the work.
After all, creating gtk-interfaces are rather easy with Glade so with the
core written, things wouldn't be too difficult.

// Jotsif

> Hello, 
> 
> I owned a mobius, I traded it for an er-1. Unless you
> like x0x style sequencing, and turning a knob to
> whatever note you want to put in, I wouldn't recommend
> it. Now if it took notes and placed them in the
> sequence from an external source it would be bad ass,
> or if there was an computer based editor (which
> someone
> could probably write very easily, I have no such
> inclination). Now, maybe I didn't get into the guts of
> 
> the sequencer, but didn't really seem to have any, and
> was in my opinion, kind of souless.
> 
> Mark Negated
> (Really not trashing the mobius, well... maybe a
> little)

    I think you guys have been wanking those joysticks too long!! :) When I
say *PROGRAMMER* I do not mean *SEQUENCER* I'm looking for a PC/Mac
application that gives me all of the sids oscillators, filters, and lfos
right up on the screen for me to edit. Basically like a normal "softsynth"
they call it these days. This would finally make the SID the as kicker we
all know is waiting inside. MARK! BTW, I'LL BUY YOUR MOBIUS IF YOU'RE BORED
WITH IT. LET ME KNOW BRO.

                            Cheers,
                            Inform3r
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--- Inform3r <inform3r@...> wrote:

> right up on the screen for me to edit. Basically
> like a normal "softsynth"
> they call it these days. This would finally make the
> SID the as kicker we

Those are generally called "patch editors."  That's
what I started work on, but have too much on my plate
to complete right now.  The code for it is also on a
laptop with no power supply (and toshiba stopped
selling the PSU 2 days after mine broke, yay). 
Anyway, I mentioned the mobius more in reference to
people's request for the MD to include a sequencer for
the sidstation.

I'll check to see if I have a backup of the code on a
CD somewhere, but I'm doubting it.  It's also Linux
only (maybe Freebsd and/or solaris, but it all depends
on how portable the midi library I'm using is).  I'm
fairly certain it won't work under Windows or Mac tho.

cor3y

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I've only been sing it for a short time, so sorrect me
if I'm wrong, ut wouldn't it be possible to
quickly create such an app using Reaktor?  You could sipmly
lay out 1090 or so knobs onto the screen, configure the MIDI
controller number and label for each one appropriately?

-N

>     I think you guys have been wanking those joysticks too long!! :) When I
> say *PROGRAMMER* I do not mean *SEQUENCER* I'm looking for a PC/Mac
> application that gives me all of the sids oscillators, filters, and lfos
> right up on the screen for me to edit. Basically like a normal "softsynth"
> they call it these days. This would finally make the SID the as kicker we
> all know is waiting inside. MARK! BTW, I'LL BUY YOUR MOBIUS IF YOU'RE BORED
> WITH IT. LET ME KNOW BRO.

On Mon Jul 23 2001, shifty@... <shifty@...> wrote:

> I've only been sing it for a short time, so sorrect me
> if I'm wrong, ut wouldn't it be possible to
> quickly create such an app using Reaktor?  You could sipmly
> lay out 1090 or so knobs onto the screen, configure the MIDI
> controller number and label for each one appropriately?

Shouldn't be that hard. Creating a Logic environment or a Cubase mixer
map isn't that hard either. Didn't Joeri create a Logic environment a
long time ago?

For other computer based sequencers this shouldn't be a problem. Just
throw up some knobs on screen and attach the right sysex messages to
them.

/Janne

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Hey,

>When I
> say *PROGRAMMER* I do not mean *SEQUENCER* 

I know. I want a programmer too. I long for the day
when I can graphically assemble a table on my computer
screen. I just figured I would put my $.02 on the
subject of the mobius... I probably should have
changed the topic line. 

>I'm
> looking for a PC/Mac
> application that gives me all of the sids
> oscillators, filters, and lfos
> right up on the screen for me to edit. Basically
> like a normal "softsynth"
> they call it these days. This would finally make the
> SID the as kicker we
> all know is waiting inside. 

Yeah, I actually have some design ideas for this in my
head, and if anyone who is writing an editor want's
some creative help building a UI, I volunteer. If I
wasn't quite as lazy and knew how to use Visual C++ to
write interfaces, i could probably cobble one together
but alas, I fear that boredom shall overtake me and
abandoning the project will ensue.

> MARK! BTW, I'LL BUY YOUR
> MOBIUS IF YOU'RE BORED
> WITH IT. LET ME KNOW BRO.

Already sold man... well traded... would anyone on
here be interested in future gear sales? is that ok
with the admin?

Mark Platt

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> Creating a Logic environment or a Cubase mixer
> map isn't that hard either. Didn't Joeri create a Logic environment a
> long time ago?

Yes he did. :)
And it looks nice. :)

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well, here I am, trapped at work, getting a release out
by 5 PM.  My Machine drum is sitting happily in its cardboard
box next to me...I can't use it until I am done, but while compiling,
I am fanatsizing about what I realized this morning, peeking at
the instructions before speeding into the train....

having spent 3 solid hours in front of the TV with headphones on programming
patterns and sequencing them into a nifty song last night.  ( I like
watching nature shows and car races while I program).  my roommate called it
an "epic attention span" that "also speaks highly of that THING".

Now I'm recalling what I can hardly believe...the 16 LFO's can be used on
any track?  and can even modulate each other!!!!!  is this for real?
Has anyone trie dthis?  I will notbe able to until late tonight.  this
blows my mind...what happens if two LFOs modulate the same parameter?
are they added?  or does one take precedence?  is it random which one
you get?

Mmmm it was so fun last night to set the bass to distortion and "harm" and
using pitch to make grundgey guitar chunking.  Then, to use toms with ring
mod pitch up high, but only locking ring mod depth to non-zero for specific
steps for emphasis...

And now...recalling the joy of that PI kit....what was the sound?  MT...
with its highly unusual parameters...they all seemed to hange the pitch
in ways I cannot clearly model....PTCH, TUNE and SIZE

-N

--- shifty@... wrote:
> Now I'm recalling what I can hardly believe...the 16
> LFO's can be used on
> any track?  and can even modulate each other!!!!! 
> is this for real?
> Has anyone trie dthis?  I will notbe able to until

I've tried it.  It is for real.  It is awesome. :)

As for what happens when two or more LFOs modulate the
same thing, I have no idea.  

c.

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abandoning the project will ensue.
> 
>> MARK! BTW, I'LL BUY YOUR
>> MOBIUS IF YOU'RE BORED
>> WITH IT. LET ME KNOW BRO.
> 
> Already sold man... well traded... would anyone on
> here be interested in future gear sales? is that ok
> with the admin?
> 
    Heep me down man.

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> Now I'm recalling what I can hardly believe...the 16 LFO's can be 
used on
> any track?  and can even modulate each other!!!!!  is this for real?
> Has anyone trie dthis?
  
Yes, but I discovered a bug when I first did this. Using LFOs on 
ceratin parameters (primarily filter and EQ, but also pan and volume 
sometimes) creates a "scraping" noise. It sounds like digital shit. 
Anyone else had this problem? The Elektron guys are trying to fix it. 
There will be a software update soon, and another one soon after that 
again.

what happens if two LFOs modulate the same parameter?
> are they added?  or does one take precedence?  is it random which 
one
> you get?

I think they're added, but I haven't tried it. Anyway, that would be 
cool, think of using 16 LFOs on the same parameter of the same track! 
That would allow for some extreme effects!! 
I love the single cycle waveforms on the LFOs as well, which function 
as simple envelope generators. Though ultimately, all LFO waveforms 
should be repeating LFOs, but with a single cycle option. That way, 
all the waveforms could be used as preset envelopes, and the square 
could be used as a gate!
Has anyone tried syncing a square wave LFO to the main tempo in 32nd 
steps, and routed it to volume?

Nils

On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 04:06:17AM -0400, Inform3r wrote:
>     Does anyone know if there will ever be a graphical SID editor for the PC
> or Mac? This would make the SID's power so easy to access. Every other synth
> in my studio is pre-1983 which means LOTS OF KNOBS, so flipping through
> those SID screens makes me go crazy after a while(especially making
> tables!!)
>     I'd really love to hear any info about software like this.

such software ships with the hardsid: http://www.hardsid.com/ it's
called hardsid MIDI.

I can only assume there is a similar setup under logic for the sidstation.

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hi there!
what is a cubase mixer map? i´ve heard this word often but i was never 
really interested in knowing...but a mixer map for my siddi!ohhhh?!
sorry, i´m still a rookie in some ways and of course i got no manual 
for cubase and all the others ;-) i´m just doing my thing. 
step 8)

 --- In elektron-users@e..., Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@b...> wrote:

> > Creating a Logic environment or a Cubase mixer
> > map isn't that hard either. Didn't Joeri create a Logic environment a
> > long time ago?
> 
> Yes he did. :)
> And it looks nice. :)
> 
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> joeri@b...
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