Elektron Musical Instruments

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final results: 


POLL QUESTION: Over all how would you rate the quality 
of the Machinedrum? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- GREAT !, 13 votes, 86.67%  
- It's o.k., 2 votes, 13.33%  
- not good at all, 0 votes, 0.00%  



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POLL QUESTION: Over all how would you rate the all 
around quality of the Sid Station? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- The best !, 9 votes, 81.82%  
- It's alright, 2 votes, 18.18%  
- bad, 0 votes, 0.00%  



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POLL QUESTION: Which machines do you like best on the 
Machinedrum?  Or, which ones do you use 
most?  (Init is from the load list in 
the MD) 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- TRX?, 4 votes, 17.39%  
- EFM?, 11 votes, 47.83%  
- E-12?, 6 votes, 26.09%  
- P-I?, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Init?, 2 votes, 8.70%  



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Sorry, I was too late to submit to the poll.

But I am amazed........

For me, the best machine is easily the P-I and it's the only machine 
whose sounds I cannot replicate with any other synth that I own. I 
can produce much better FM percussion than the EFM machine on the 
Waldorf Q as the Q has much fatter oscillators than the Elektron as 
well as more complex routing and a wide choice of possible waveforms. 
Any VA synth can produce similar sounds to the TRX machine (but with 
greater hassle admittedly). Why did no one vote for the P-I machine? 
Just interested....... 


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wrote:

> 
> The following elektron-users poll is now closed.  Here are the 
> final results: 
> 
> 
> POLL QUESTION: Which machines do you like best on the 
> Machinedrum?  Or, which ones do you use 
> most?  (Init is from the load list in 
> the MD) 
> 
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - TRX?, 4 votes, 17.39%  
> - EFM?, 11 votes, 47.83%  
> - E-12?, 6 votes, 26.09%  
> - P-I?, 0 votes, 0.00%  
> - Init?, 2 votes, 8.70%  
> 
> 
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>Sorry, I was too late to submit to the poll.
>
>But I am amazed........
>
>For me, the best machine is easily the P-I and it's the only machine 
>whose sounds I cannot replicate with any other synth that I own. I 
>can produce much better FM percussion than the EFM machine on the 
>Waldorf Q as the Q has much fatter oscillators than the Elektron as 
>well as more complex routing and a wide choice of possible waveforms. 
>Any VA synth can produce similar sounds to the TRX machine (but with 
>greater hassle admittedly). Why did no one vote for the P-I machine? 
>Just interested....... 

yes it's just a poll, at the end of the day it's only 15 answers or
so... you can't really judge a poll on 15 answers... that's not really
representative anyway isn't it ?

but I agree with you. That PI is wicked, the maracas sounds plain
weird, but the E12 is also very good.

I received my MD 2 weeks ago and I was really disappointed by the TRX,
which to me sounds like an 808 but in a "canned" plastic way. dont get
me misunderstood, what I mean is an 808 has got an analogue
"unpredictable" edge as well, which the MD does NOT have.

but man, the E12 and PI altogether can make some great sounds ! really
I am not a big fan of the EFM stuff, as it sounds to much like cheesy
80's drum sounds but I have not explored it extensively yet. I'll leave
that for late nights over the next weeks or so :-)

all the machines are basically good, but what makes them stand out is
the effects and modulations really, and the way these are integrated in
the sound generation logic. the extended mode and all that sort of
things. 

Special mention for the SRR (sample rate reduction) it just sounds
great if you keep it "tamed" below 15 I'd say, it's really musical, if
you like your beats crisp and dirty at the same time, it's your
thing... higher settings are a bit harsh and not usable for my kind of
music. I've heard many SRR and this is the first one I hear that does
NOT need additional filtering behind it. I mean some SRRs add so much
aliasing that they are just not usable.

IMO as it stands today, and as far as future OSes are concerned, I
believe that the sound generation side of things does not have much to
benefit from. it's just there, it works great and it sounds great.

it's the sequencer that needs more elaborate functionalities, but I'm
not quite sure it's really feasible.

eg :

different time signatures. (that trick of setting up the number of
steps just does NOT work if you slave the MD to an external sequencer)

time-offset parameter (positive and negative) for each machine
(allowing creation of real grooves rather than frozen "swing" grooves)

and some useful functions eg

copy-paste master effect section from one kit to another...

just my odd 2p

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I¹m trying to figure out how to make this kick drum sound that goes:

Vwoomp-ah, wvoompa

It seems to be a fairly common sound in club tracks, so I¹m hoping that my
description isn¹t too vague.

I tried doing it with delay, but that¹s not quite it.  Any ideas?  Thanks!

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Haha,
could you sing it and make an MP3 ?

You could check the following possibilites:
1. use a small reverse reverb on the kick.
2. use a 2nd kick drum with less attack and place it after the main Kick


Flo




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I\ufffdm trying to figure out how to make this kick drum sound that goes:

Vwoomp-ah, wvoompa

It seems to be a fairly common sound in club tracks, so I\ufffdm hoping that my
description isn\ufffdt too vague.

I tried doing it with delay, but that\ufffds not quite it.  Any ideas?  Thanks!

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MMwaap dududu duMwaap haha , but serious you need to use an LFO (ramp 
like) on at least the volme, maybee another one one the distortion, 
and to make it real fat pu another one on the decay succes/good luck 
LecZ

Mercoledì, 26 feb 2003, alle 15:15 Europe/Rome, W. Brent Latta ha 
scritto:

> I’m trying to figure out how to make this kick drum sound that goes:
>
> Vwoomp-ah, wvoompa
>
> It seems to be a fairly common sound in club tracks, so I’m hoping 
> that my
> description isn’t too vague.
>

Try layering 2 sounds.
It should be easier.

> 
> You could check the following possibilites:
> 1. use a small reverse reverb on the kick.
> 2. use a 2nd kick drum with less attack and place it
> after the main Kick
> 
Also try putting a lot of reverv (and decay) on that
second kick you have going underneath. And, although
you might not notice inmediately, a really low delay
really helps too.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> An: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [elektron] [md] How do I make this kick
> sound?
> 
> 
> I1m trying to figure out how to make this kick drum
> sound that goes:
> 
> Vwoomp-ah, wvoompa
> 
> It seems to be a fairly common sound in club tracks,
> so I1m hoping that my
> description isn1t too vague.
> 
> I tried doing it with delay, but that1s not quite
> it.  Any ideas?  Thanks!
> 
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Once upon a time, W. wrote:

> I\ufffdm trying to figure out how to make this kick drum sound that goes:
> Vwoomp-ah, wvoompa

I have read the very good suggestions given to you so far...  and
those are definitely worth trying out.

I am also wondering, however, if what you may be referring to is the
intentional overuse of attack/release times on a compressor when it is
inline with a bass drum track.  Have you tried sending your bass drum
out one of the individual outputs, then abusing a compressor on a send
of that track it to get a sort of pumping or breathing effect to the
bass?

Or am I way off 'bass' here?   :)



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If you want, you can check out at mp3.com/srminimo a
track just called Track 5 and let us know if this is
the sort of kick you're looking for (it was done in
the Machine Drum, by the way)

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Flavio ­ that sound is very close!  Maybe not quite so dirty, and not so
much delay.  

Would you mind sharing your settings?

Thanks!

-b

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> If you want, you can check out at mp3.com/srminimo a
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The following elektron-users poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: Is machinedrum hard to use, I mean when 
it comes to reproducing 
sounds that already exist? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- No, 3 votes, 75.00%  
- Yes, 1 votes, 25.00%  



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POLL QUESTION: Some people want new Machinedrum 
algorhytmes for distortion, EQ, Filters 
and SRR (BDR) in MD-OS update. And some 
dont. If algos are improved this means 
that earlier kits don't sound same 
anymore. There has been mentioned of 
choice of a switch in global menu 
(where user could choose which way he 
prefers, old or new algos). If the 
switch would be added to global menu, 
this would probably mean, that kits 
couldn't remember their own position of 
switch and user should always set it if 
kit needed the other setting. How would 
you like algos in MD-update? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Yes I want the new algos, but there has to be a switch some sorf of. , 1 votes, 4.17%  
- No new algos. No switct either, it would make MD clumsy., 3 votes, 12.50%  
- I'm not even interested of algos, I want something else., 1 votes, 4.17%  
- This isn't a proper poll (choices aren't good, doesn't reach people enough or something else is wrong)., 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Yes I want the new algos and no switch is ok to me., 19 votes, 79.17%  



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on 2/20/04 9:19 AM, elektron-users wrote:

> - Yes I want the new algos and no switch is ok to me.
> , 19 votes, 79.17%

I guess it is now clear how people really feel about
this issue.

dump that crap-sounding SRR, and give us BDR!!!
and a better distortion algo please!


cheers,
aeon

are you kidding !? 24 people voted, do you think that s representative for
the whole MD community?
d


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on 2/20/04 9:19 AM, elektron-users wrote:

> - Yes I want the new algos and no switch is ok to me.
> , 19 votes, 79.17%

I guess it is now clear how people really feel about
this issue.

dump that crap-sounding SRR, and give us BDR!!!
and a better distortion algo please!


cheers,
aeon

on 2/21/04 1:00 PM, Dieter Vandoren wrote:

> are you kidding !? 24 people voted, do you think that s representative for
> the whole MD community?

of course not.

but in a way, it is...if it matters to people, they
vote. just like in an election, if you choose not to
vote, please do the rest a favor and refrain from
whining about the outcome.

those who cared, voted...and those are the results.


cheers,
aeon

On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 04:49:50PM -0600, aeon wrote:
>    but in a way, it is...if it matters to people, they
>    vote. just like in an election, if you choose not to
>    vote, please do the rest a favor and refrain from
>    whining about the outcome.
>    those who cared, voted...and those are the results.

I think the point is that the number of people who participate in this
group is very small compared to the number of people who own the MD.
the poll's not representative of what the MD community as a whole would like;
but it is representative of what participants to this group would like. and
that's all it should be viewed as.

Joe

That's definitely true that this list is not an accurate representation of 
the MD community.  But I still agree that the distortion on the MD sucks.  
It's more like a cheap volume boost.  As for SRR vs. BRR, I've never 
heard BRR, and I kind of like the subtleties you can get from the SRR.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 04:49:50PM -0600, aeon wrote:
> >    but in a way, it is...if it matters to people, they
> >    vote. just like in an election, if you choose not to
> >    vote, please do the rest a favor and refrain from
> >    whining about the outcome.
> >    those who cared, voted...and those are the results.
> 
> I think the point is that the number of people who participate in this
> group is very small compared to the number of people who own the 
MD.
> the poll's not representative of what the MD community as a whole 
would like;
> but it is representative of what participants to this group would like. 
and

> that's all it should be viewed as.
> 
> Joe

The following elektron-users poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: For the month of September, which
Machinedrum contest entry was your favorite? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Nils, 7 votes, 30.43%  
- Andrew Denyes, 2 votes, 8.70%  
- Roonan, 5 votes, 21.74%  
- Toni, 4 votes, 17.39%  
- endlessnessisticman, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- gmm04e, 1 votes, 4.35%  
- micabeza, 1 votes, 4.35%  
- oldmanfury, 1 votes, 4.35%  
- scutopus, 1 votes, 4.35%  
- vcagate, 1 votes, 4.35%  



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You can never trust polls.




Congrats nils.  What's next?

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wrote:

> 
> The following elektron-users poll is now closed.  Here are the 
> final results: 
> 
> 
> POLL QUESTION: For the month of September, which
> Machinedrum contest entry was your favorite? 
> 
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - Nils, 7 votes, 30.43%  
> - Andrew Denyes, 2 votes, 8.70%  
> - Roonan, 5 votes, 21.74%  
> - Toni, 4 votes, 17.39%  
> - endlessnessisticman, 0 votes, 0.00%  
> - gmm04e, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> - micabeza, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> - oldmanfury, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> - scutopus, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> - vcagate, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> 
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Le 2 oct. 04, à 17:22, endlessnessisticman a écrit :

> You can never trust polls.

Were you honest enough not to vote for yourself? ;)

Now, once you remove the one votes from the ones who did vote for 
themselves, it gets clearer ;)

Denis =G)

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman" 
<moving808@e...> wrote:
> 
> You can never trust polls.

I think polls are VERY trustworthy! ;-)

> Congrats nils.  What's next?

Thanks! And thanks to everyone who voted for my entry. Pesonally I 
thought Andrew's entry was the best, so he got my vote. Nice one Andy!

I was thinking of the TRX-B2, since I have a nice pattern going with 
that sound :) But since several entries used this machine, it would 
be refreshing with something new. I don't think too many people used 
the EFM-BD, and it's an extremely versatile machine. So people, start 
programming! 

Regards,
Nils



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> wrote:
> > 
> > The following elektron-users poll is now closed.  Here are the 
> > final results: 
> > 
> > 
> > POLL QUESTION: For the month of September, which
> > Machinedrum contest entry was your favorite? 
> > 
> > CHOICES AND RESULTS
> > - Nils, 7 votes, 30.43%  
> > - Andrew Denyes, 2 votes, 8.70%  
> > - Roonan, 5 votes, 21.74%  
> > - Toni, 4 votes, 17.39%  
> > - endlessnessisticman, 0 votes, 0.00%  
> > - gmm04e, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> > - micabeza, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> > - oldmanfury, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> > - scutopus, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> > - vcagate, 1 votes, 4.35%  
> > 
> > 
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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Nils Odegaard" 
<nilsodegaard@h...> wrote:
> <moving808@e...> wrote:
> > You can never trust polls.
> I think polls are VERY trustworthy! ;-)
> Thanks! And thanks to everyone who voted for my entry. Pesonally I 
> thought Andrew's entry was the best, so he got my vote. Nice one 
Andy!

Thanks, Nils. You set a pretty high bar when you entered, but I think 
that inspired everyone to work harder. I know it kicked me in the 
butt! 
I think the one-vote poll structure makes for strange results, since 
you can't vote for first, second, third choice.. as for me, I just 
voted for what I thought was the currently most underrated entry at 
the time, micabeza's, because it didn't seem right for it to have 0.
I 
wish I could have voted for more - all the patterns were creative and 
interesting.

Here goes with the EFM-BD for next month..
-Andrew D.

> I was thinking of the TRX-B2, since I have a nice pattern going
with 
> that sound :) But since several entries used this machine, it would 
> be refreshing with something new. I don't think too many people
used 
> the EFM-BD, and it's an extremely versatile machine. So people, 
start 
> programming! 
>

The following elektron-users poll is now closed.  Here are the 
final results: 


POLL QUESTION: For the month of October, which Machinedrum 
contest entry was your favorite? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Nils, 5 votes, 33.33%  
- Noiselab, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Roonan, 3 votes, 20.00%  
- andr00_tsx, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- fredoakleaf, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- jmelnyk, 5 votes, 33.33%  
- juno6, 2 votes, 13.33%  



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POLL QUESTION: For the month of November, which Machinedrum 
contest entry was your favorite? 

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Nils, 1 votes, 7.14%  
- Noiselab, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- Roonan, 3 votes, 21.43%  
- andr00_tsx, 0 votes, 0.00%  
- dtr, 1 votes, 7.14%  
- jmelnyk, 9 votes, 64.29%  



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wah cool! i got a vote... didn't expect that to happen =)
congratulations joe, yours was fantastic!

dtr

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> 
> The following elektron-users poll is now closed.  Here are the 
> final results: 
> 
> 
> POLL QUESTION: For the month of November, which Machinedrum 
> contest entry was your favorite? 
> 
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - Nils, 1 votes, 7.14%  
> - Noiselab, 0 votes, 0.00%  
> - Roonan, 3 votes, 21.43%  
> - andr00_tsx, 0 votes, 0.00%  
> - dtr, 1 votes, 7.14%  
> - jmelnyk, 9 votes, 64.29%  
> 
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On Dec 7, 2004, at 9:45 AM, divi309 wrote:

> wah cool! i got a vote... didn't expect that to happen =)
>  congratulations joe, yours was fantastic!

thanks,  so was yours!

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