Elektron Musical Instruments

I've experienced the same thing.  Blanking out the default settings of Bank
A Midi Mapping will cause it to crash.  Elektron told me this is a known
issue and supposedly will have a fix for it in the the next OS release
(whenever that will be).  Whenever I have encountered a crash of this sort,
I will boot to the system menu and do a 'Soft Reset'.  I will retain my
patterns and kits but all my Global Settings will be initialized so beware.

-nate

----- Original Message -----
From: "mizatch" <mizatch@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: [elektron] buggy awful MD


> Will someone please try this and confirm i am not the only one
experiencing
> it? MAKE SURE YOU BACK UP ALL YOUR DATA BY SYSEX FIRST, YOU MAY LOSE SOME
OR
> ALL YOUR PAT/KITS.
>
> 1) go to global page and into midi section
> 2) after the midi machine key page (sorry i cant be more exact with my
> wording but my MD is CRASHED AGAIN) go to the section that allows bank
> patterns to be triggered by midi.....bank A is all assigned midi keys.
turn
> all these off.
> 3) this in turn will cause a bug, turning off your midi machine #7, set
this
> to whatever you have it as
> 4)  play with md as usual for a few hours or day or whatever, see if it
> freezes up at any point, if not, thats good
> 5) when done with the session, turn it off, turn it back on next session,
> does it freeze now?
>
> this has happened to me since the beginning of owning this nightmare
> machine. I have lost all my kits two times.  I assumed it was something
> hardware based to do with the other hardware problems with the machine,
but
> after finally feeling like using my buggy MD again this week after getting
> it back last month, i find myself in the same bloody position.  I am
coming
> to hate this machine.  If it would only F***ing work, it would be great,
but
> it doesn't so it isn't. I am sure it has to do with some bug in the global
> pages, I have brought this up with elektron many times already, but
thought

> others out there could help confirm as they havent done much yet......
>
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I have the exact same problems. I even sent it back to Elecktron for repair, 
but it still crashes constantly. I agree with you that when it works, it's 
fantastic, but the constant crashing almost makes it unusable.

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HEY........ don't make me fear yesterday i could get a Rack Attack if i
wanted!!!  => (
I feel kinda frustrated now...

Moreno

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> From: malpasoman@... [mailto:malpasoman@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:38 AM
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] buggy awful MD
>
>
> I have the exact same problems. I even sent it back to Elecktron
> for repair,
> but it still crashes constantly. I agree with you that when it
> works, it's
> fantastic, but the constant crashing almost makes it unusable.
>
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Hey ELEktron,
maybe you can give us and all the forthcomming MD SDS-1 customers a 
small statement to this. If this is a knowing problem and you will fix 
it, then it would be perfect to tell us here on the list when we can 
suspect a new OS.

To Moreno: don't be frustrated, this bug sounds bigger then it is. you 
are really able to work a lot with your new MD until you reach the 
first entering of the Global settings menu. At last, and this is not a 
great help, there is no unbuggy Synth on the market i know. As more 
the machines are able to do, the more bugs can be made...
Stefan



--- In elektron-users@y..., "RENGA Moreno" <rengam@m...> wrote:
> HEY........ don't make me fear yesterday i could get a Rack Attack 
if i
> wanted!!!  => (
> I feel kinda frustrated now...
> 
> Moreno
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: malpasoman@c... [mailto:malpasoman@c...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:38 AM
> > To: elektron-users@y...
> > Subject: Re: [elektron] buggy awful MD
> >
> >
> > I have the exact same problems. I even sent it back to Elecktron
> > for repair,
> > but it still crashes constantly. I agree with you that when it
> > works, it's
> > fantastic, but the constant crashing almost makes it unusable.
> >
> > _________________
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> > Meriphew
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> Hey ELEktron,
> maybe you can give us and all the forthcomming MD SDS-1 customers a
> small statement to this. If this is a knowing problem and you will fix
> it, then it would be perfect to tell us here on the list when we can
> suspect a new OS.
>
> To Moreno: don't be frustrated, this bug sounds bigger then it is. you
> are really able to work a lot with your new MD until you reach the
> first entering of the Global settings menu. At last, and this is not a
> great help, there is no unbuggy Synth on the market i know. As more
> the machines are able to do, the more bugs can be made...
> Stefan

Well i am a big Waldorf user and the only problem i had was some stucked
notes at the stop of the sequencer.

--- In elektron-users@y..., "privat_joy" <privat_joy@y...> wrote:

> To Moreno: don't be frustrated, this bug sounds bigger then it is. 
> you are really able to work a lot with your new MD until you reach 
> the first entering of the Global settings menu. At last, and this 

  For what it's worth, I've tweaked this menu many times and have 
never encountered a crash of any kind on the MD.

Once upon a time, Mind Mechanic wrote:


MM> \ufffd For what it's worth, I've tweaked this menu many times and have 
MM> never encountered a crash of any kind on the MD.

Yes, I have done quite a bit with the MD, and the only time I have
ever had a crash like that is when I was futzing with the creation of
a SoundDiver module for the MD.  Improper MIDI dumps can cause wacky
things to happen :)
 



-- 
Best regards,
Adam Watson

soundwithin
www.soundwithin.net

In a message dated 9/11/02 10:21:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mrhardacid@... writes:


>   For what it's worth, I've tweaked this menu many times and have 
> never encountered a crash of any kind on the MD.
> 

Are you using your MD as slave or master? Using the MD as a slave is where a 
lot of us are running into problems with the unit crashing. I think that's 
why Elektron plays up the importance of using the MD as the master.

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--- In elektron-users@y..., malpasoman@c... wrote:
> 
> Are you using your MD as slave or master? Using the MD as a slave 
> is where a lot of us are running into problems with the unit 
> crashing. I think that's  why Elektron plays up the importance of 
> using the MD as the master.

  I have it slaved to an MPC2000XL.  I use the internal sequencing as 
a scratch pad of sorts and then record the sequences into the MPC for 
external control...  Works quite well for my needs.

In a message dated 9/12/02 6:15:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mrhardacid@... writes:


>   I have it slaved to an MPC2000XL.  I use the internal sequencing as 
> a scratch pad of sorts and then record the sequences into the MPC for 
> external control...  Works quite well for my needs.
> 

Do you use the MD in song mode, pattern mode, or are you just triggering 
loops?  How do you have your global settings set up? Thx 

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In a message dated 9/12/02 3:02:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
malpasoman@... writes:


>   I have it slaved to an MPC2000XL.  I use the internal sequencing as 
> > a scratch pad of sorts and then record the sequences into the MPC for 
> > external control...  Works quite well for my needs

I forgot to also ask if you were just using the MD as a sound module for your 
Akai to trigger. Thx

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I have posted 5 short tracks (named track2-track6),
all using the Machine Drum at:
mp3.com/srminimo
The tracks are not finalized (volumes are not all
right in the mix, some are missing sequences, others
vocals, and one I've even changed since I posted
them), but you'll get an idea, and from those I'll
choose 3 or 4 for my next release (and first 12" vinyl
release). Input from fellow users is greatly
apreciated.
Sr Minimo

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--- In elektron-users@y..., malpasoman@c... wrote:
> 
> 
> Do you use the MD in song mode, pattern mode, or are you just 
> triggering loops?  How do you have your global settings set up? Thx 

  I have it in pattern mode... Here's what I do:

  I get a kit together with the MD in Extended mode, and create a 
bunch of patterns which I then record into the MPC, one sound at a 
time (e.g. one track for bass drum, one for snare, etc).  When I'm 
done, I totally empty out the pattern (so it's basically just an 
empty pattern assigned to a kit) and then assign that pattern to a 
note in global settings.  Then I have the first note of the MPC's 
sequence trigger the appropriate pattern in the MD (by playing the 
note), and I can then manipulate the pattern in real time by turning 
on and off tracks in the MPC.  The only bitch is parameter locks, 
which are not transmitted by the MD -- I program those into the MPC 
manually.  Elektron tells me that the MD doesn't transmit them 
because they can't be sequenced.. But I find that to be totally 
untrue.

cool, butthis is exactly what i do NOT want to do and where the bugs come
in, it's when you erase those pattern midi notes that everything goes
annoyingly buggy.........in my experience at lesst. elektron seem to think
it is in the midimachines...perhaps there are two bugs? or mine only appears
in midimachine kits?

>> 
>> Do you use the MD in song mode, pattern mode, or are you just
>> triggering loops?  How do you have your global settings set up? Thx
> 
> I have it in pattern mode... Here's what I do:
> 
> I get a kit together with the MD in Extended mode, and create a
> bunch of patterns which I then record into the MPC, one sound at a
> time (e.g. one track for bass drum, one for snare, etc).  When I'm
> done, I totally empty out the pattern (so it's basically just an
> empty pattern assigned to a kit) and then assign that pattern to a
> note in global settings.  Then I have the first note of the MPC's
> sequence trigger the appropriate pattern in the MD (by playing the
> note), and I can then manipulate the pattern in real time by turning
> on and off tracks in the MPC.  The only bitch is parameter locks,
> which are not transmitted by the MD -- I program those into the MPC
> manually.  Elektron tells me that the MD doesn't transmit them
> because they can't be sequenced.. But I find that to be totally
> untrue.
> 
>

does anyone think a new type of midi machine could be helpful?  how about
one that simply allows the 24 controllers to be just that?  in global mode
you could assign 24 cc#'s to the knobs, and then have a instrument that
simply worked as a midi controller for....you could set it up for any soft
synth and then simply turn it to that instrument, select the soft synth in
your sequencer and bliss!  (basically it would save me buying the pocket
dial to do the same thing)  thoughts?

Hi,

you can already do this, just assign a midi machine to each slot.



--- In elektron-users@y..., mizatch <mizatch@b...> wrote:
> does anyone think a new type of midi machine could be helpful?  how 
about
> one that simply allows the 24 controllers to be just that?  in 
global mode
> you could assign 24 cc#'s to the knobs, and then have a instrument 
that
> simply worked as a midi controller for....you could set it up for 
any soft
> synth and then simply turn it to that instrument, select the soft 
synth in
> your sequencer and bliss!  (basically it would save me buying the 
pocket
> dial to do the same thing)  thoughts?

> Hi,
> 
> you can already do this, just assign a midi machine to each slot.
> 
> 
no i mean so one of themachines exists as 24 midi controllers, not just the
8 you can assign now......using the other 8 knobs for selecting the # is a
bit awkward in its current style

--- In elektron-users@y..., mizatch <mizatch@b...> wrote:
> cool, butthis is exactly what i do NOT want to do and where the 
> bugs come in, it's when you erase those pattern midi notes that 
> everything goes annoyingly buggy.........in my experience at lesst. 
> elektron seem to think it is in the midimachines...perhaps there 
> are two bugs? or mine only appears in midimachine kits?

  So what is the bug, exactly?  How do you reproduce it?

  I actually haven't tried the MIDI machines yet.  Maybe that's why 
I'm not getting it?

Anyway there will be very soon a fix to this problem... This was told by
Elektron Support.
In a maximum of two weeks, the update will be posted online.

Moreno

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mind Mechanic [mailto:mrhardacid@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 3:39 PM
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] buggy awful MD
>
>
> --- In elektron-users@y..., mizatch <mizatch@b...> wrote:
> > cool, butthis is exactly what i do NOT want to do and where the
> > bugs come in, it's when you erase those pattern midi notes that
> > everything goes annoyingly buggy.........in my experience at lesst.
> > elektron seem to think it is in the midimachines...perhaps there
> > are two bugs? or mine only appears in midimachine kits?
>
>   So what is the bug, exactly?  How do you reproduce it?
>
>   I actually haven't tried the MIDI machines yet.  Maybe that's why
> I'm not getting it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Anyway there will be very soon a fix to this problem... This was told 
> by
> Elektron Support.
> In a maximum of two weeks, the update will be posted online.
>

I hope that they will also fix the muting in song bug: when starting a 
song, muting won't change until the second bar; this also happens on 
the first bar of a loop.

> I hope that they will also fix the muting in song
> bug: when starting a 
> song, 


Amen!
> 


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That's one of the many ideas I posted about a week ago but no one seemed 
to notice/want to talk about them...  I think it'd be a great idea! What 
other ideas do ppl have?

---Quote from message "MD First Days..." on 9/9/2002---

<snip>
Just for clarity these are things the MD doesn't do as of os 1.11


- Levels page
[Function] + [Level dial] click shows page with control of level for
first 8 parts. Turn a dial to change the volume for the sound, clicking
on a dial will mute the part. click [Level dial] again to switch between
first or last 8 parts/sounds.

-Clicking [Level dial] mutes selected sound when in any mode/page
(except levels page as above)

-[Mute - A/E] acts as exit when in the Mute page/mode
A side effect would be you can't change pattern the while in mute
page/mode, because of this it might be nice if it's a global option

-Mutes show fat bars on tracks with content vs thin = no data
As it is right now it's impossible to tell if a part has a sequence.
It'd be nice if you could see which parts have a sequence rather than
relying on memory...

-Sound Select LEDs
It'd be nice if instead of going entirely dark when they are muted if
they went to dimmed 80% or inverted. It's again frustrating to figure
out what sequences are muted.

-Function dial to shift thru kits when in kit mode.
It'd be nice to have a fast way to audition kits with sequences. It's a
bit time consuming to change the kit at present.

-Pitch lock - double click on pitch to change
It would be really nice if you had to do something before you can modify
the pitch of some sounds.  Maybe double clicking the pitch dial would
enable this lock and this mode would be stored with the kit. It's
embarrassing when you're playing live and go to change the decay of the
kick and suddenly realize you're changing the pitch....

-Play position resync
Pressing play (while playing) sends song position pointer reset at end
of bar instead of pause. We were syncing Reason to the MD and to play a
sequenced section in Reason we had to stop and start MIDI Clock.  It
would be nice if there was a global setting that let you choose how play
worked when in play; pause, reset clock at end of bar, reset clock on
press. I'm going on the assumption that resetting clock also changes the
song position pointer...

-Dials
As a note to the Elektron Hardware guy/gal... It seems that the current
batch of dials are molded slightly off center and they wobble as you
turn the dial. This is kinda frustrating considering the price...

And to finish....

-GND/MID Midi Controller machine
Three pages (selected with Synth/FX/Routing button) of 8 CC's each,
on-screen dial shows position/value This would be great for controlling
external software EG: Live/Reason


mizatch wrote:

>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > you can already do this, just assign a midi machine to each slot.
>  >
>  >
> no i mean so one of themachines exists as 24 midi controllers, not just the
> 8 you can assign now......using the other 8 knobs for selecting the # is a
> bit awkward in its current style
> 
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