Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi everybody, and especially makers of Sidstation!

Sidstation is a bomb in a box, thanks for doing it.

But (theres always a but):

I miss a full SYSX implementation for the Sid.
Also, all parameters should be controllable by CC, as of now
for example resonance is not CC'able, this is not a critical missing
feature but still it smells unfinished.

I am sure I am not the only one wanting full SYSX control.
I imagine computer editors would pop up like fungus in my fridge.

Please, members of the list, if you want this let Elektron know it.
I have asked for this 6 months ago but received no answer.
If noone wants it I will accept the hard truth that I am 
alone in wanting full control. :)

Gisle

On 14 Feb 2000 gisle.martens.meyer@... wrote:

> Hi everybody, and especially makers of Sidstation!

Right here! :)

> Sidstation is a bomb in a box, thanks for doing it.
> 
> But (theres always a but):
> 
> I miss a full SYSX implementation for the Sid.

Well, there is full SYSEX support for dumping a full patch. Only
individual control for each parameter of the current patch is partly
missing.

> Also, all parameters should be controllable by CC,

Uhm... Well, go count those CC's again. There are not that many available.
I've used almost all there are.

> as of now
> for example resonance is not CC'able, this is not a critical missing
> feature but still it smells unfinished.

I don't understand this fascination of the SID-resonance! It's very
subtle.

> I have asked for this 6 months ago but received no answer.

That's strange! We always try to answer all mail coming in to us...

I'll see what I can do! :)

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__///Daniel Hansson           |   SidStation - MOS6581 Synthesis
\XX/ daniel@...   |         www.sidstation.com

Hi Daniel,

> > I miss a full SYSX implementation for the Sid.
> Well, there is full SYSEX support for dumping a full patch. Only
> individual control for each parameter of the current patch is partly
> missing.

Well, wouldn't it be nice to have individual SysEx control of all parameters?
Or just the ones that can't be controlled over CC's would already be a great
help!

> > Also, all parameters should be controllable by CC,
> Uhm... Well, go count those CC's again. There are not that many available.
> I've used almost all there are.

Hmmm... if there's no way around this and no chance for SysEx, then maybe you
could use a trick: let the Sid receive CC's on several channels, which means
you'd have 2x 128 CC's if you use 2 midi channels etc... that could open up
some possibilities.

> > as of now
> > for example resonance is not CC'able, this is not a critical missing
> > feature but still it smells unfinished.
> I don't understand this fascination of the SID-resonance! It's very
> subtle.

Yes yes yes!!! Me too!!! I'm highly obsessed with its resonance as well!!!

Cheers,
Joeri
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On Mon, Feb 14, 2000 at 02:45:43PM +0100, Joeri Vankeirsbilck wrote:

> Well, wouldn't it be nice to have individual SysEx control of all
> parameters?  Or just the ones that can't be controlled over CC's would
> already be a great help!

If I'm not mistaken, when the SIDStation is in ASID mode, _all_ of its
parameters are tweakable via sysex in "real time."  ;)  (well, as
real time as MIDI can be.)

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On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Aaron J. Grier wrote:

> From: "Aaron J. Grier" <agrier@...>
> 
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2000 at 02:45:43PM +0100, Joeri Vankeirsbilck wrote:
> 
> > Well, wouldn't it be nice to have individual SysEx control of all
> > parameters?  Or just the ones that can't be controlled over CC's would
> > already be a great help!
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, when the SIDStation is in ASID mode, _all_ of its
> parameters are tweakable via sysex in "real time."  ;)  (well, as
> real time as MIDI can be.)

Well, you're correct that all of the SID-chips parameters are controlable
over MIDI, up to 50 times per second (if all registers are updated). This
could be used for an external synthesizer to program. But with this you
loose all of the SidStations parameters. The SidStation is turned into a
dumb slave - much like a HardSID card. So that means you'd have to
implement all features like the LFO's, portamento or tables in the host
software.

This is mainly meant for external emulation, like SIDPlay. Or an interface
could be made for a full C64 emulator to get true SID-sound.

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__///Daniel Hansson           |   SidStation - MOS6581 Synthesis
\XX/ daniel@...   |         www.sidstation.com

Answer to Daniel's reply:

>> Also, all parameters should be controllable by CC,

>Uhm... Well, go count those CC's again. There are not that many
available.
>I've used almost all there are.

Please consider using all of them :) 
AFAIK there are 127, not all of them are usuable I know. But I don't
think the Sidstation utilizes all of them.
And Joeri's suggestion about using two midi channels was brilliant.

> I don't understand this fascination of the SID-resonance! It's very
> subtle.

Its not so subtle when using a distortion effect on a resonating filter!


> I'll see what I can do! :)

Thanks.

Gisle

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000, Gisle Martens Meyer wrote:

> >Uhm... Well, go count those CC's again. There are not that many
> available.
> >I've used almost all there are.
> 
> Please consider using all of them :) 
> AFAIK there are 127, not all of them are usuable I know. But I don't
> think the Sidstation utilizes all of them.

I've used almost all that can be used without risk.

> And Joeri's suggestion about using two midi channels was brilliant.

I don't think so! :) Therre is another solution coming up...

> > I don't understand this fascination of the SID-resonance! It's very
> > subtle.
> 
> Its not so subtle when using a distortion effect on a resonating filter!

You're right. But I can not change the implementation at this point,
because it would change the whole allocation of CC-numbers. And it
wouldn't be pretty if the environments weren't compatible between
SidStation-releases.

But - as I said - another solution is coming up! :)

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__///Daniel Hansson           |   SidStation - MOS6581 Synthesis
\XX/ daniel@...   |         www.sidstation.com

> > And Joeri's suggestion about using two midi channels was brilliant.
> I don't think so! :) Therre is another solution coming up...

Hmmm... sounds yummie! :-)

The reason why I suggested several midi channels is because my Ramsa DA7 mixer
only has 127 controllers available right now and that's not enough. Imagine:
each fader takes 1 controller = CC 1-32
Then, the panning, CC 33-64. Then EQ: 4band param per channel, all settings
automatable... hmmm... not enough controllers!!!! I hope they make it possible
to use all 16 channels for that mixer or otherwise its midi implementation
won't be very useful for anyone.

> > > I don't understand this fascination of the SID-resonance! It's very
> > > subtle.
> > Its not so subtle when using a distortion effect on a resonating filter!
> You're right. But I can not change the implementation at this point,
> because it would change the whole allocation of CC-numbers. And it
> wouldn't be pretty if the environments weren't compatible between
> SidStation-releases.

Indeed, that would mess up all previous patches.

> But - as I said - another solution is coming up! :)

Looking forward to it! :)

Greetings,
Joeri
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