Elektron Musical Instruments

Have you anything from them ?

M-.-n

> But I was more on the Dr. Moog and Technosaurus stuff (I'm a modular man
%)

le 13/02/2003 16:52, M-.-n à nostromo@... a écrit :

> Have you anything from them ?

Unfortunately no.

But I droooooooooool on a big selector system (C or D) but the money
questionŠ uh ohŠ (in case the Little Monsters are great and have the
Technosaurus edge)
I find the moogerfoogers too "polite" but give me a Voyager anytime. the
etherwave theremin is certainly the best you can buy. If you want a better
one either buy an ethervox (still Moog) or build a tube theremin (not for
everyone)

Denis žž)

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On 2/13/03 10:52 AM, "M-.-n" <nostromo@...> wrote:

> 
> Have you anything from them ?

===

I have the MICROCON II (with MIDI) and it¹s Fantastic.


In fact, it¹s one of the very few pieces of hardware that I am keeping.


It¹s built like a tank and heavy.

It sounds HUGE and the filter sound is rich.


If I had to choose only one analog synth below a thousand dollars to own,
this is the one I would choose.



In fact, I did choose that!! :-)













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QUESTION FOR ELEKTRON USERS:

I think that a lot of the Software Synths out there are incredible. Absynth,
Malsturm (in Reason) and FM7 are examples.

However, there are a few hardware synths that just aren¹t worth replacing
because of there uniqueness.

The SIDSTATION is one. The MICROCON II is another example.

I¹m excited about the GREYBOX http://greybox.norfair.org/.

Of course, the MONOmachine is going to be a dream.

What other unique HARDWARE is out there the Elektron Users would recommend?
By unique, I am not talking about analog-style (Access, Waldorf and Clavia
are all excellent). I am talking about different.

Any ideas?


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Surely the DSI Evolver should be on the list of unique hardware synths.
That was at the top of my list until the MonoMachine was spied...

-b

Once upon a time, lincolnlab wrote the following:

> 
> QUESTION FOR ELEKTRON USERS:
> 
> I think that a lot of the Software Synths out there are incredible. Absynth,
> Malsturm (in Reason) and FM7 are examples.
> 
> However, there are a few hardware synths that just aren¹t worth replacing
> because of there uniqueness.
> 
> The SIDSTATION is one. The MICROCON II is another example.
> 
> I¹m excited about the GREYBOX http://greybox.norfair.org/.
> 
> Of course, the MONOmachine is going to be a dream.
> 
> What other unique HARDWARE is out there the Elektron Users would recommend?
> By unique, I am not talking about analog-style (Access, Waldorf and Clavia
> are all excellent). I am talking about different.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
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On 2/13/03 9:55 PM, "lincolnlab"
<lincolnlab@...> wrote:

> What other unique HARDWARE is out there
> the Elektron Users would recommend?

> By unique, I am not talking about analog-style
> (Access, Waldorf and Clavia are all excellent).
> I am talking about different.

1. Clavia Nord Modular

   yes, you said no analog-style, and you mentioned
   Clavia, but I cannot help but mention it, for it
   goes far, far beyond being "analog-style".

   a full blown digital modular, a knob-box, a beat
   box, an effects processor, a synth that does FM,
   additive, physical modeling, VOSIM, many flavors
   of analog emulation...you can¹t do much better
   in terms of return on investment.

2. Dave Smith Instruments Evolver

   a monophonic analog/digital hybrid synth with a
   stereo voice path, a 16 x 4 step sequencer, a
   stereo input and deep, incredible sound. there
   is nothing else quite like it on the market,
   especially when you consider the $475 price point.

I chose those two to list because I own both and
felt I could comment on them based on my experience.
I also chose them because I do see them as very
unique devices, and ones that are generally
affordable to the majority of working musicians.


cheers,
aeon

Thanks ! That was the one I was lurking on ;-)

M-.-n
http://n0s.10pm.org/

> ===
>
> I have the MICROCON II (with MIDI) and it\ufffds Fantastic.
>

> 1. Clavia Nord Modular
>
>    yes, you said no analog-style, and you mentioned
>    Clavia, but I cannot help but mention it, for it
>    goes far, far beyond being "analog-style".

I totally agree with that .. I have a micro and it is one of the best
hardware piece I have !

Everyone seems to forget that kick ass machine the Droid 3 looks 
like ! That one is my next piece if I can get it before the grey box 
(if it DOES ever come to life - remember the sidsyn anyone ?...)
check www.droid.dk
Yo to all-

I have *never* hear of it... it looks plain cool.. but no way to store
presets ???
Plus they seem to imply that unless you are living in Dansk; you won't get
it..

Mood: #@| ::puzzled:: ?*?

M-.-n

http://n0s.10pm.org/

> Everyone seems to forget that kick ass machine the Droid 3 looks
> like ! That one is my next piece if I can get it before the grey box
> (if it DOES ever come to life - remember the sidsyn anyone ?...)
> check www.droid.dk
> Yo to all-

how about MacBeth M3X ?
my god what a piece of hardware...
it betters the mini if you ask me !
That is a piece of hardware I will always keep, does not come cheap 
£1000 for a monophonic instrument. But it's thousand lightyears from 
cheapo virtual analogue recreation of the thing !
nuff said.
Olivier

easy....

Waldorf Pulse+ ... awesome and powerfull synth.
Dave Smith Instruments Evolver ... just the most fun I've had with a piece of hardware (equal to the MD!!)

thinking happy thoughts
amos

Vermona PerFOURmer

wicked

Denis ��)

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Ensoniq FIZMO

Evolving patches like nothing else can even THINK of creating.

What about the Oberheim Xpander?
Anyone know of anything like that in Software? With the same thick tone?

>Fizmo 
is cool but Reason's Maelstrom, Es2 and D'cota can also create complex pads

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lincolnlab 
  To: Elektron 
  Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:55 AM
  Subject: [elektron] UNIQUE Hardware Synth?



  QUESTION FOR ELEKTRON USERS:

  I think that a lot of the Software Synths out there are incredible. Absynth,
  Malsturm (in Reason) and FM7 are examples.

  However, there are a few hardware synths that just aren¹t worth replacing
  because of there uniqueness.

  The SIDSTATION is one. The MICROCON II is another example.

  I¹m excited about the GREYBOX http://greybox.norfair.org/.

  Of course, the MONOmachine is going to be a dream.

  What other unique HARDWARE is out there the Elektron Users would recommend?
  By unique, I am not talking about analog-style (Access, Waldorf and Clavia
  are all excellent). I am talking about different.

  Any ideas?


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> > Everyone seems to forget that kick ass machine the
> Droid 3 looks
> > like ! 

This does look and sound cool as hell. I had also
never seen it before. Besides the usual suspects we
all want (and some of you already have, you bastards),
like the Dave Smith Evolver and the Macbeth, I also
think the MFB Synth, which is similar to the evolver,
and the Darkstar are certainly unique. But the mother
of them all has to be the Hartman Neuron.
Check them all out at 
http://novamusik.com/


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Hello,

Yamaha FS1R.
Yes, it's Yamaha :} but the concept of "formants" used in this synth is
great. it creates very strange, unique sounds.


Lud - but I love my micro modular too :)

I have an Yamaha fs1r

I'm selling it. I'm gonna sample all the stuff i've done on it.

Yes formants is nice but its such a pain to program
creating your on Formants via Fseq editor is also labourious
Effects are very good. 3 insert one global i think

Yamaha should have supported it better. An OS update making LFO's midi sync'able would have been nice.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lud 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] UNIQUE Hardware Synth?


  Hello,

  Yamaha FS1R.
  Yes, it's Yamaha :} but the concept of "formants" used in this synth is
  great. it creates very strange, unique sounds.


  Lud - but I love my micro modular too :)



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Hi!

I'll add some gear to the very interesting list... Korg's DSS-1 and 
Prophecy are pretty unique to, in my opinion. They're digital / 
analog hybrids with very cool features and very personal sounds. Ok, 
they're Korg, but they're not typical analog or VA synths. Oberheim 
Matrix serie is pretty cool, too. I had a Matrix 1000 and it was 
awesome.

Very similar to the Matrix is the Cheetah MS-6. Now, this is a sad 
history. I was working for a musical software / hardware distributor, 
and some guy in the company asked me if I could put one of his 
Cheetahs in Ebay, or something. The company used to sell Cheetahs 
years ago, but the product was of course outdated and there was no 
way to put them away except by Ebay or other second hand stores. He 
sended one Cheetah to me via mail so I could check if it worked ok, 
in order to put an auction for it. So I did, but nobody ever e-mailed 
me about the Cheetah. I had some time to play with it and it was 
very, very cool. In some sense it was a poor man's Oberheim Matrix, 
but it was a solid synth that sounded alright and at least was 
different from what everybody else was using. When I had to leave the 
company this guy asked me if I wanted to buy the Cheetah in order to 
keep it with me, and I was going thru bad financial times so I 
said "no". Later, they told me that, when he received back his 
Cheetah, he took this one and another 5 Cheetahs, and threw them to 
the trashcan. He could have told me that he planned to do that, and I 
have taked a train to get all his Cheetahs and give them a better 
life. He could have told anyone. But he just threw them away. 6 
Cheetahs, can you imagine if you ever find 6 synths in a trashcan, in 
an isolated street!? Even if they were Casios, for god's shake!!!

Adieu!

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Raj" <rajah_patel@y...> wrote:
> I have an Yamaha fs1r
> 
> I'm selling it. I'm gonna sample all the stuff i've done on it.
> 
> Yes formants is nice but its such a pain to program
> creating your on Formants via Fseq editor is also labourious
> Effects are very good. 3 insert one global i think
> 
> Yamaha should have supported it better. An OS update making LFO's 
midi sync'able would have been nice.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Lud 
>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:20 PM
>   Subject: Re: [elektron] UNIQUE Hardware Synth?
> 
> 
>   Hello,
> 
>   Yamaha FS1R.
>   Yes, it's Yamaha :} but the concept of "formants" used in this 
synth is
>   great. it creates very strange, unique sounds.
> 
> 
>   Lud - but I love my micro modular too :)
> 
> 
> 
>   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of 
Service. 

> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

le 14/02/2003 16:20, Lud à ludd@... a écrit :

> Yamaha FS1R.
> Yes, it's Yamaha :} but the concept of "formants" used in this synth is
> great. it creates very strange, unique sounds.

the last time knonw when Yamaha recalled us they knew how to make a Synth

Just like Korg with the Prophecy and the Z1 (that I have :)

Or Kawai that wakes up from time to time, last was the K5000 (I have too :)

Roland is in cerebral death %)

> Lud - but I love my micro modular too :)

Sure, But I love my NM more (in fact I had the mM and switched to the NMR,
incredible bang for the bucks, but as all modulars, not for the faint of
heart)

le 14/02/2003 16:00, Flavio Alvarez à srminimo@... a écrit :

> This does look and sound cool as hell. I had also
> never seen it before. Besides the usual suspects we
> all want (and some of you already have, you bastards),

You'll never have my modulars! :P

> like the Dave Smith Evolver and the Macbeth,

the Evolver is certainly the Rolls Royce of budget analogue synths. mega
bang for the bucks. But the price means the thing is not as ergonomic as it
could have been. But more buttons would have killed the price.
The Macbeth is cool but it's a Mini clone, The one I saw and heard was from
the pre prod. Evolver is much more flexible.

> I also
> think the MFB Synth, which is similar to the evolver,

The MFB has a GREAT filter. But the oscillators seems to be digital in fact
(it's a talk right now on the Analogue Heaven list) so are not as good. But
the filter is right down Moogy. It's half an Evolver (4 osc, 2 analogue, 2
digital and with an attitude, wave tables from the prophet VSŠ a killer!)
I still haven't tried one, but I listened a lot of examples from Dave site
and from users (links froms the gas station, and AH) it has a lot of
personality and possibilities.

> and the Darkstar are certainly unique.

Analogue emulation, and I'm not sure it's still in production, they've been
bought by an asian corp and for example the elevata has been killed.

> But the mother
> of them all has to be the Hartman Neuron.

heard only the unfinished prototype a year ago at Frankfurt.
I hope I'll be at the Messe again this year to see the finished one. The
sound has chaged a lot, and the main characteristic don't seem to pass the
sound compressions for the net. But on the synthesis side, it's a
breakthrough. But It's certainly not a do it all synth. And it need a
computer nearby for use of resysnthesis and profile making. A monster.

There is another neuronal synth in existance, but it's an analogue one and
completely different in conception. Made by Juergen Michaelis (Mr. JoMoX) as
a private project, it can be seen and heard (too expensive to make) at JM's
personnal site. http://www.jayemsonic.de/ It's not finished, soŠ

And as we talk of expensive gizmosŠ one word: Voyager!

Now what is this monomachine? %)

Denis žž)

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Expensive but amazing sounds is the Jomox Sunsyn

Anyone actually got that here?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: I've got a LASER, Earthman! 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] UNIQUE Hardware Synth?


  le 14/02/2003 16:20, Lud à ludd@... a écrit :

  > Yamaha FS1R.
  > Yes, it's Yamaha :} but the concept of "formants" used in this synth is
  > great. it creates very strange, unique sounds.

  the last time knonw when Yamaha recalled us they knew how to make a Synth

  Just like Korg with the Prophecy and the Z1 (that I have :)

  Or Kawai that wakes up from time to time, last was the K5000 (I have too :)

  Roland is in cerebral death %)

  > Lud - but I love my micro modular too :)

  Sure, But I love my NM more (in fact I had the mM and switched to the NMR,
  incredible bang for the bucks, but as all modulars, not for the faint of
  heart)

  le 14/02/2003 16:00, Flavio Alvarez à srminimo@... a écrit :

  > This does look and sound cool as hell. I had also
  > never seen it before. Besides the usual suspects we
  > all want (and some of you already have, you bastards),

  You'll never have my modulars! :P

  > like the Dave Smith Evolver and the Macbeth,

  the Evolver is certainly the Rolls Royce of budget analogue synths. mega
  bang for the bucks. But the price means the thing is not as ergonomic as it
  could have been. But more buttons would have killed the price.
  The Macbeth is cool but it's a Mini clone, The one I saw and heard was from
  the pre prod. Evolver is much more flexible.

  > I also
  > think the MFB Synth, which is similar to the evolver,

  The MFB has a GREAT filter. But the oscillators seems to be digital in fact
  (it's a talk right now on the Analogue Heaven list) so are not as good. But
  the filter is right down Moogy. It's half an Evolver (4 osc, 2 analogue, 2
  digital and with an attitude, wave tables from the prophet VSS a killer!)
  I still haven't tried one, but I listened a lot of examples from Dave site
  and from users (links froms the gas station, and AH) it has a lot of
  personality and possibilities.

  > and the Darkstar are certainly unique.

  Analogue emulation, and I'm not sure it's still in production, they've been
  bought by an asian corp and for example the elevata has been killed.

  > But the mother
  > of them all has to be the Hartman Neuron.

  heard only the unfinished prototype a year ago at Frankfurt.
  I hope I'll be at the Messe again this year to see the finished one. The
  sound has chaged a lot, and the main characteristic don't seem to pass the
  sound compressions for the net. But on the synthesis side, it's a
  breakthrough. But It's certainly not a do it all synth. And it need a
  computer nearby for use of resysnthesis and profile making. A monster.

  There is another neuronal synth in existance, but it's an analogue one and
  completely different in conception. Made by Juergen Michaelis (Mr. JoMoX) as
  a private project, it can be seen and heard (too expensive to make) at JM's
  personnal site. http://www.jayemsonic.de/ It's not finished, soS

  And as we talk of expensive gizmosS one word: Voyager!

  Now what is this monomachine? %)

  Denis zz)

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le 15/02/2003 09:04, Raj à rajah_patel@... a écrit :

> Expensive but amazing sounds is the Jomox Sunsyn

oops forgot that one!

> Anyone actually got that here?

played with it, powerfull, not as faaaaat as a Mini/Voyager, it has its own
sound, very techno oriented I'd say, really wicked filters, a lot of
modulations possible. All analogue and weights a ton.
Supposed to be multitimbral, but this part is buggy (JM works on it but it
seems it'll be never completely fixed, the bug is coming from the conception
itself. If there is a solution, he'll find it anyway). But it works like a
charm in monotimbral mode either in mono or polyphonic.
Great for agressive rumblings ;) IT IS NOT GENTLE ;)

Denis žž)

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What other unique HARDWARE is out there the Elektron Users would recommend?
By unique, I am not talking about analog-style (Access, Waldorf and
Clavia are all excellent). I am talking about different.

Any ideas?
----------------------------
As far as 'uniqueness', the Hartmann Neuron is about as unique an approach
to synthesis you'll find now - though cost a bit more than an evolver :-)
KRIS

You may find it silly but, I'd say my Paia Fatman is unique cuz I 
built it.  Also a resistor is a little burnt because I put it 
together a bit wrong, this may have changed the sound.  But they are 
very limited soundwise.  I guess you could modify it anyway you wish 
but, I'm not that good at electronics.  When I put it through my 
mfc42 filter, which I'm getting rid of, really beefed up the fatman's 
cheap sound.  It was fun to put together.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Rhen, Kris" <krhen@s...> 
wrote:
> What other unique HARDWARE is out there the Elektron Users would 
recommend?
> By unique, I am not talking about analog-style (Access, Waldorf and
> Clavia are all excellent). I am talking about different.
> 
> Any ideas?
> ----------------------------
> As far as 'uniqueness', the Hartmann Neuron is about as unique an 
approach
> to synthesis you'll find now - though cost a bit more than an 
evolver :-)
> KRIS

> Subject: Re: UNIQUE Hardware Synth?
>
> Expensive but amazing sounds is the Jomox Sunsyn
> Anyone actually got that here?

Yep, got it. Fantastic synth!!!

> Supposed to be multitimbral, but this part is buggy (JM works
> on it but it
> seems it'll be never completely fixed, the bug is coming from
> the conception itself. If there is a solution, he'll find it anyway).

Actually, multi works these days!
There are still some basic bugs to be fixed, but multi works.
What most Sunsyn users are still looking out for, is assignable voices.
Right now the voices are assigned dynamically. It would be nicer to assign
an amount of voices per part.

> Great for agressive rumblings ;) IT IS NOT GENTLE ;)

True, it sounds aggressive. I love it for techno/trance/...

Cheers,
Joeri

le 16/02/2003 01:09, Joeri Vankeirsbilck à joeri@... a écrit :

> Actually, multi works these days!

glad to hear it :)
I need an update then ;))) haven't touched one for months. Last times there
was uncontrolable behaviours not making justice to it.

> There are still some basic bugs to be fixed, but multi works.
> What most Sunsyn users are still looking out for, is assignable voices.
> Right now the voices are assigned dynamically. It would be nicer to assign
> an amount of voices per part.

That the main trouble in the design. The dynamic allocation needs clever
programming but a simple way to overcome that and have a usable multi at
once would have been assignation. Juergen didn't want it like that. That's
the original sin I told you before.
I hope he'll iron it out completely butŠ

Still a great synth.

> True, it sounds aggressive. I love it for techno/trance/...

It springs to mind when you hear it, but I'm sure you can use iit for
something else too. Vermona is electro/krautrock sounding but narrowing his
mind to the obvious genre of the synth is not exactly creative ;)

I remember the sound of the sunsyn in a performance at the club night in
Frankfurt last year : HUGE.

Denis žž)

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hi

Would it be too much of an imposition to have you upload some "wav's" for us?
mp3's dont' do it justice. 
Some rumbling bassy drones and Icy pads would be nice...pretty please :)


From what i can tell it has an oberheim filter with more an edge

definitely a unique character...

Over here in the UK the Sunsyn costs £1999 whats the damage in the USA or Europe?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 12:09 AM
  Subject: [elektron] Re: UNIQUE Hardware Synth?


  > Subject: Re: UNIQUE Hardware Synth?
  >
  > Expensive but amazing sounds is the Jomox Sunsyn
  > Anyone actually got that here?

  Yep, got it. Fantastic synth!!!

  > Supposed to be multitimbral, but this part is buggy (JM works
  > on it but it
  > seems it'll be never completely fixed, the bug is coming from
  > the conception itself. If there is a solution, he'll find it anyway).

  Actually, multi works these days!
  There are still some basic bugs to be fixed, but multi works.
  What most Sunsyn users are still looking out for, is assignable voices.
  Right now the voices are assigned dynamically. It would be nicer to assign
  an amount of voices per part.

  > Great for agressive rumblings ;) IT IS NOT GENTLE ;)

  True, it sounds aggressive. I love it for techno/trance/...

  Cheers,
  Joeri


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le 16/02/2003 01:55, Raj à rajah_patel@... a écrit :

> Would it be too much of an imposition to have you upload some "wav's" for us?
> mp3's dont' do it justice.
> Some rumbling bassy drones and Icy pads would be nice...pretty please :)

A good place to hear sounds from synth is here

http://www.sequencer.de/moogulatorium.html
http://www.sequencer.de/esynth.html
http://www.sequencer.de/dsynth/

one of the worst synth site for the layout, but content is great.
And you can find unheard elsewhere demos.

And there's something on the Machinedrum (ooch a bit of on topic!)

>> From what i can tell it has an oberheim filter with more an edge
> definitely a unique character...

Oberheim uses Curtis chips, not the case of JoMoX.
The architecture of the filter is weird, but our user of sunsyn can tell us
more I think.
> Over here in the UK the Sunsyn costs £1999 whats the damage in the USA or
> Europe?

In Europe you should have it around that, the main differences are VTA
levels between countries.

USA 2995$ at bigcitymusic in LA

Denis žž)

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I'm a big fan of matrix style routing in synths. The Arp 2500 and
the EMS Synthi and VCS3 are great examples and they certainly qualify
as different. The EMS synths have a year waiting list with a $500
deposit but unlike an all-digital synth (which is destined to plummet
in value unless most of its retail cost is controller and IO related)
it will maintain or increase in value over time, so the effective cost
is significantly lower than any all-digital on market. You can find a
Synthi on eBay every once in a while but even 20+ year old ones cost
nearly as much as brand new ones and you won't get to select the
custom modifications that EMS offers.
   I'd also check out some boutique marque fx pedals, like the Z. Vex
line. They definitely qualify as unique hardware.

   - Ben


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Rhen, Kris" <krhen@s...>
wrote:
> What other unique HARDWARE is out there the Elektron Users would
recommend?
> By unique, I am not talking about analog-style (Access, Waldorf and
> Clavia are all excellent). I am talking about different.
> 
> Any ideas?
> ----------------------------
> As far as 'uniqueness', the Hartmann Neuron is about as unique an
approach
> to synthesis you'll find now - though cost a bit more than an
evolver :-)
> KRIS

I have one of these:
http://www.metasonix.com/TM1.htm

"YOU HAVE NOT HEARD BERSERK, GRINDING
DISTORTION--UNTIL YOU HAVE TRIED THE TM-1."

It is very unique.   a bit brain-damaged and perhaps misguided,
but if you treat it with respect and care you will get sounds
few other devices can create.



And then there's always the Deathe Synthe, made by myself, 
and its large number of associated, uncommercialized
effect processor algorithms:
http://gweep.net/~shifty/death
http://www.gweep.net/~shifty/death/death/index.html



The Korg Mono/Poly is one of the more unique synths- it
has these crazy "Effect" modes in which FM, Soft-Sync'd
oscillators and an arpeggiator conspire to make some of
the weirdest sounds.  


I give props to the Droid-3, but I think it's more
of an art project between friends than a shipping
product!


Also, the Ensoniq Mirage is very unique
in its interpretation of sampling theory.  It sounds
very "rich" because it uses variable-speed D/A
converters, and forgoes the sinc convolution step in
resynthesis of sampled waveforms.  It is a
pain to use.  heh.  

You're probably already familiar with the Lexicon Vortex...

I have this green, plastic, frog's head-shaped speech-learning
toy a friend gave me.  It's certainly capable of unique
sounds, such as barely-intelligible speech.  

Okay, you want *really* weird?  lookup the triadex muse!
There's even a Windows-based simulator for it, but it
doesn't do the original justice (although it does
have MIDI output!)  A wooden, 70's style
box with huge, long, funky sliders, and an option
add-on light display.  Designed in part by MIT Artificial
intelligence genius marvin minsky.





On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 08:14:38AM -0500, Rhen, Kris wrote:
> What other unique HARDWARE is out there the Elektron Users would recommend?
> By unique, I am not talking about analog-style (Access, Waldorf and
> Clavia are all excellent). I am talking about different.
> 
> Any ideas?
> ----------------------------
> As far as 'uniqueness', the Hartmann Neuron is about as unique an approach
> to synthesis you'll find now - though cost a bit more than an evolver :-)
> KRIS
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 

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On 2/17/03 10:24 AM, "Crackpot"
<shifty@...> wrote:

> I give props to the Droid-3, but I think it's more
> of an art project between friends than a shipping
> product!

tell that to my friend in LA who has a Droid-3 and
uses it to great effect via a Logic Audio environment
for it! ;)

cheers,
aeon

Hi all,

what about Kyma and its hardware box Capybara. This easily qualifies 
as unique as you can build what ever you want with it. It never fails 
to bring me tingles of pleasure ;)

Matt

I've been drooling over the website for a few years now.  Finally 
have enough money to buy one, but I'm a bit concerned... It appears 
that they haven't updated the hardware for years!  Do you know if 
they have plans to increase the memory or DSP capability?  Or really 
just the memory, which at this point is a bit behind the times...

  Also, do they regularly issue software updates?


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "creepjoint <CreepJoint@t...>" 
<CreepJoint@t...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> what about Kyma and its hardware box Capybara. This easily 
qualifies 
> as unique as you can build what ever you want with it. It never 
fails 

> to bring me tingles of pleasure ;)
> 
> Matt

I'm curious, too.  Do you find the expense worth the product?  I'm trying to pick a sound platform and it's narrowed down to Max/MSP, Reaktor, and Kyma... with Max/MSP in the lead.  But it's hard to judge how these things will handle from the websites alone.  With computers are powerful as they are now, couldn't something like Max/MSP pull off the same sorts of things as Kyma, or am I missing something?  All three look pretty damn fun to use.

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "creepjoint
> <CreepJoint@t...>" 
> <CreepJoint@t...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > what about Kyma and its hardware box Capybara. This easily 
> qualifies 
> > as unique as you can build what ever you want with it. It
> never 
> fails 
> > to bring me tingles of pleasure ;)
> > 
> > Matt

> > What most Sunsyn users are still looking out for, is assignable voices.
> > Right now the voices are assigned dynamically. It would be nicer to
assign
> > an amount of voices per part.
>
> That the main trouble in the design. The dynamic allocation
> needs clever
> programming but a simple way to overcome that and have a
> usable multi at
> once would have been assignation. Juergen didn't want it like
> that. That's the original sin I told you before.

I think he will change/add it, eventually... he's extremely busy right now,
but the intention is to add fixed voice allocation some day.

> Would it be too much of an imposition to have you upload some
> "wav's" for us?
> mp3's dont' do it justice.
> Some rumbling bassy drones and Icy pads would be
> nice...pretty please :)

Unfortunately, I don't have the time for that, I'm sorry.
To give you an idea of how the Sunsyn sounds in productional work, I've
uploaded an old remix (which never got used anyway).
http://www.belway.com/elektron/ShoutRMXoriginal.mp3

All sounds are Sunsyn, except the percussion, the arpeggiated chords and the
distorted lead at 1:43.
I know the mixing sucks (too much basses, but that's the Sunsyn without EQ),
but it shows a different side of the Sunsyn than the Jomox mp3's.

> Over here in the UK the Sunsyn costs \ufffd1999 whats the damage
> in the USA or Europe?

Around the same price, I guess.

This is my last post on this topic as we got really OT imo. :)

Can't wait until we start talking more about the Monomachine. :-)))

Cheers,
Joeri

No offense Joeri, but that was one cheesy track :)  you didn´t really do tears for fears justice :D

it´s was very nice though hearing the sunsyn *in* a track.

ok, enough,

let´s talk about the new **nomachine   

I´m still a firm beleiver it´s a bio-organic synth (nomachine) . And the name of that movie is Existenz , cronenberg I think..

d

> Unfortunately, I don't have the time for that, I'm sorry.
> To give you an idea of how the Sunsyn sounds in productional work, I've
> uploaded an old remix (which never got used anyway).
> http://www.belway.com/elektron/ShoutRMXoriginal.mp3
> 
> All sounds are Sunsyn, except the percussion, the arpeggiated chords and the
> distorted lead at 1:43.
> I know the mixing sucks (too much basses, but that's the Sunsyn without EQ),
> but it shows a different side of the Sunsyn than the Jomox mp3's.
> 
> > Over here in the UK the Sunsyn costs £1999 whats the damage
> > in the USA or Europe?
> 
> Around the same price, I guess.
> 
> This is my last post on this topic as we got really OT imo. :)
> 
> Can't wait until we start talking more about the Monomachine. :-)))
> 
> Cheers,
> Joeri
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
>

le 19/02/2003 23:44, Joeri Vankeirsbilck à joeri@... a écrit :

> I think he will change/add it, eventually... he's extremely busy right now,
> but the intention is to add fixed voice allocation some day.

Juergen has a lot to do now, Frankfurt is looming in 2 weeks, and there's
new products in the pipeline.
Good to know he changed his mind on the voice allocation, it wasn't the case
a year ago. And that's a GOOD news. :D

> This is my last post on this topic as we got really OT imo. :)

me too

> Can't wait until we start talking more about the Monomachine. :-)))

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!

Denis U]
                              NO WAR
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On 2/19/03 10:59 AM, "Mind Mechanic <machanic@...>"
<machanic@...> wrote:

> 
>---
> Also, do they regularly issue software updates?
> 
>--
===


I received an email from them recently. They are working on a OS X update
(out this quarter?). The Support is almost family like...

Yeah, there will be an XP version as well. All updates should 
(hopefully) also come with ASIO drivers so it cab integrated into the 
sequencer environment :)

Matt

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, lincolnlab <lincolnlab@e...> 
wrote:
> On 2/19/03 10:59 AM, "Mind Mechanic <machanic@e...>"
> <machanic@e...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >---
> > Also, do they regularly issue software updates?
> > 
> >--
> ===
> 
> 
> I received an email from them recently. They are working on a OS X 
update
> (out this quarter?). The Support is almost family like...