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Future MachineDrum owner question

2003-04-28 by stevenlebeau

Hi everyone,

My name is Steven LeBeau, and I'm new to this group. In the very near 
future (as soon as I get my tax return, in fact), I'm going to be 
purchasing a MachineDrum from Elektron.

According to their website, they are temporarily out of stock at the 
moment, and when I e-mailed them (last friday) they never got back to 
me regarding when they would be in-stock again. I was hoping some 
Elektron people read this group and could provide the answer to this 
question. 

Looking forward to getting one of these things,

 - Steven

Re: [elektron] Future MachineDrum owner question

2003-04-28 by simon leclerc

Hi Steven,

I'm also looking to buy an MD and i just went thru the same
process.  I know
they're a small team with a new product coming out soon
but so far i'm not impressed with Elektron.  They have only one
product still in production (MD) but they don't have any units to sell.
It's been 3 weeks now.
Anyways, when they finally got back to me i was told they should get
new MD  b4 the end of April.  We'll see.

Good luck !




on 28/04/03 3:18 PM, stevenlebeau at stevenlebeau@... wrote:

Hi everyone,

My name is Steven LeBeau, and I'm new to this group. In the very near
future (as soon as I get my tax return, in fact), I'm going to be
purchasing a MachineDrum from Elektron.

According to their website, they are temporarily out of stock at the
moment, and when I e-mailed them (last friday) they never got back to
me regarding when they would be in-stock again. I was hoping some
Elektron people read this group and could provide the answer to this
question. 

Looking forward to getting one of these things,

- Steven


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Re: [elektron] Future MachineDrum owner question

2003-04-28 by stevenlebeau

> I'm also looking to buy an MD and i just went thru the same
> process.  I know
> they're a small team with a new product coming out soon
> but so far i'm not impressed with Elektron.  They have only one
> product still in production (MD) but they don't have any units to 
sell.
> It's been 3 weeks now.
> Anyways, when they finally got back to me i was told they should get
> new MD  b4 the end of April.  We'll see.
> 
> Good luck !

Thanks for the info. I'm sure Elektron are doing the best they can 
given their circumstances, and I can only imagine the difficulties 
they must encounter being such a small company. Even if it took them 
another couple of weeks to respond to me, I could still safely say 
I've encountered worse customer service from an electronic 
instruments company :)

-Steven

Re: [elektron] Future MachineDrum owner question

2003-04-28 by simon leclerc

I agree and i heard great things about Elektron.
But if they want to stay in business it's not just
how friendly they are that will keep them in business,
they're products have to be available. And since
they have decided to make them available only
on their website, it's safe to say they haven't sell any  new
MD in a long time.


on 28/04/03 4:54 PM, stevenlebeau at stevenlebeau@... wrote:


> I'm also looking to buy an MD and i just went thru the same
> process.  I know
> they're a small team with a new product coming out soon
> but so far i'm not impressed with Elektron.  They have only one
> product still in production (MD) but they don't have any units to
sell.
> It's been 3 weeks now.
> Anyways, when they finally got back to me i was told they should get
> new MD  b4 the end of April.  We'll see.
> 
> Good luck !

Thanks for the info. I'm sure Elektron are doing the best they can
given their circumstances, and I can only imagine the difficulties
they must encounter being such a small company. Even if it took them
another couple of weeks to respond to me, I could still safely say
I've encountered worse customer service from an electronic
instruments company :)

-Steven


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Re: [elektron] Future MachineDrum owner question

2003-04-28 by I've got a LASER, Earthman!

le 28/04/2003 21:18, stevenlebeau à stevenlebeau@... a écrit :

> According to their website, they are temporarily out of stock at the
> moment, and when I e-mailed them (last friday) they never got back to
> me regarding when they would be in-stock again. I was hoping some
> Elektron people read this group and could provide the answer to this
> question. 

They'll have stock shipping by the 1st of May. They are a small company,
don't ask them to have the warehouses and cashflow of a big one ;)

And for those wondering how they can be so busy while havong only one
product shippoing I can tell you: having some new stuff boiling due in the
next months gets you busy a lot. Really. :-/

Denis U] having new stuff boiling too

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a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by electricbeats_eof

I got my machinedrum last spring, 2 weeks after 
I ordered it at the MM in Frankfurt, if I remember correctly.
I had no problems getting a trackingnumber from elektron and 3 days
after I've been notified by e-mail that the MD was on it's way to germany
(without me asking them) I received it really good packed in a big box with
styrofoam flakes.
I was really hot for it , had a hard time waiting even just 2 weeks.
But after working with it for quite a time now I still discover possibilities unused 

I'm SO glad I bought it , I'm already working on a setup with the MDas 
drummachine AND as master contoller for analogue drum modules, a synced 
oberheim and a roland 606 via KADI and sequencing a small modular
system for patterns and basslines.

I wasn't even aware of that when I bought it. 
And after a brief look into the file section I'm sure I'll discover
even more when I dive into it.
Thank's to the people who built it up, I hope I will be able to
contribute ...

Finally: You guys who are waiting for it so hard, once you will have
the box in your hands you will lift it up , put it on the table, plug it in , 
see the red lights flashing and I'm sure all the time waiting will be 
erased in your flash memory ;)
- 

-klaus

Re: [elektron] Future MachineDrum owner question

2003-04-29 by simon leclerc

>>Sorry about this last post guys, had a rough day.
Can't wait to get my hands on the little beast and
i'm sure Elketron is trying their best to meet both
ends <<


I agree and i heard great things about Elektron.
But if they want to stay in business it's not just
how friendly they are that will keep them in business,
they're products have to be available. And since
they have decided to make them available only
on their website, it's safe to say they haven't sell any  new
MD in a long time.


on 28/04/03 4:54 PM, stevenlebeau at stevenlebeau@... wrote:


> I'm also looking to buy an MD and i just went thru the same
> process.  I know
> they're a small team with a new product coming out soon
> but so far i'm not impressed with Elektron.  They have only one
> product still in production (MD) but they don't have any units to
sell.
> It's been 3 weeks now.
> Anyways, when they finally got back to me i was told they should get
> new MD  b4 the end of April.  We'll see.
> 
> Good luck !

Thanks for the info. I'm sure Elektron are doing the best they can
given their circumstances, and I can only imagine the difficulties
they must encounter being such a small company. Even if it took them
another couple of weeks to respond to me, I could still safely say
I've encountered worse customer service from an electronic
instruments company :)

-Steven


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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by simon leclerc

Red lights flashing is always fun but what about  the sound of that thing
when you first turned it on.  First impressions ?

on 28/04/03 9:24 PM, electricbeats_eof at electricbeats@... wrote:

Finally: You guys who are waiting for it so hard, once you will have
the box in your hands you will lift it up , put it on the table, plug it in
, 
see the red lights flashing and I'm sure all the time waiting will be
erased in your flash memory ;)
- 

-klaus










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Re: [elektron] Future MachineDrum owner question

2003-04-29 by I've got a LASER, Earthman!

le 29/04/2003 10:15, simon leclerc à Simonvolt@... a écrit :

> But if they want to stay in business it's not just
> how friendly they are that will keep them in business,
> they're products have to be available.

Certainly, but never ask the capacities of a small company to match the ones
of a big one.

Also as all the MDs I've seen are going thru the door very fast, I'm not
sure it's an easy task to follow the market request.

> And since they have decided to make them available only
> on their website, it's safe to say they haven't sell any  new
> MD in a long time.

It depends of the country where you are. In France they have a distributor
(I work at it ;) I don't know for the others. And sure they must know
there's no more MD in stock for weeks. It's rather evident that they'd like
to have some for sale all the time.

Myself I find this rather reassuring. Better that than overstocks sleeping
even if it can be really frustrating for putative buyers.

Stock flows are a daunting task. :-/

Now only a few days before MDs fly everywhere again :)

Denis U]

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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by electricbeats_eof

> Red lights flashing is always fun but what about  the sound of that thing
> when you first turned it on.  First impressions ?

I like the pristine sound of the MD - the percussion synth is very clear a perfect 
match for the other gear I mentioned - just don't expect to get the typical   
analogue punch you get from an 808 or the warm sound of a DX or a 
linndrum - it's a different instrument. 

I use the MDs kits as fundament and layer them with other drums to get more 
punch if I need it e.g a 909 bassdrum module on top of an E12 bassdrum from 
the MD - the digital sound and the decay comes from the MD and just a tiny bit 
of punch is added by the 909 module.

I like the flexibility and the power of MDs synths, retrigger funktions and 
seperate delay and reverb in sync with the beat, just a few knobturns away on 
the same machine is unbeatable, and together with the external inputs it's one 
of the most creative electronic instruments I have ever owned.

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by rob.euroh1@virgin.net

Well, I bought mine for it to give me an 808 style elongated booming kick, I
got rid of my classic Emu SP 12 Turbo sampling drum machine  to be able to
afford one (bought a 1 month old model off someone last year). I write and
release electro and I have to say that this gamble of mine fully paid off.
This unit is the future of electronic percussion. Buy one and join the
privaleged few!

Seriously though, If I were to categorise the overall sound of the unit
(based on the fact that I jack up the volume on most of all the machines), I
would have to say that MD reminds me of beats heard coming out of a ghetto
blaster. - I wonder if any of you lot agree with that statement.

It delivers all the tuffness, hardness, or boom, distorted, classic or
forward thinking percussion that you could ever wish for.

I don't use the internal sequencer - only as a sound module and still
consider it worth every penny invested.





on 29/4/03 9:30 am, simon leclerc at Simonvolt@... wrote:

Red lights flashing is always fun but what about  the sound of that thing
when you first turned it on.  First impressions ?

on 28/04/03 9:24 PM, electricbeats_eof at electricbeats@... wrote:

Finally: You guys who are waiting for it so hard, once you will have
the box in your hands you will lift it up , put it on the table, plug it in
, 
see the red lights flashing and I'm sure all the time waiting will be
erased in your flash memory ;)
- 

-klaus










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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by stevenlebeau

> I like the pristine sound of the MD - the percussion synth is very 
clear a perfect 
> match for the other gear I mentioned - just don't expect to get the 
typical   
> analogue punch you get from an 808 or the warm sound of a DX or a 
> linndrum - it's a different instrument. 

I wouldn't have it any other way! My main reason for deciding to buy 
a MachineDrum was that it's a programmable drum-synth, not because it 
recreated any specific vintage drum machine (although I must say I do 
love the Linn!).

I bought my Kurzweil K2600 for the exact same reason! Sure, the 2600 
doesn't do analog as well as a nord lead, but the synth architecture 
is so flexible that I'll never exhaust all of its programming power, 
even if I never use more than the single-cycle waveforms built into 
its' ROM. Obviously the MachineDrum will have limitations (just as my 
K2600 has), but I'm sure I'll work around them.

As far as cold vs. warm goes: some people think Kraftwerk is 'cold', 
while I think their music is incredibly 'human.' Warmth is just an 
ideal, as is coldness. Think about it... :)

-Steven

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by simon leclerc

You see, that's what i'm afraid of. From  all the demos
i have heard, the sound seems too clean, too digital, ear cutting
and trebely. And some reviewers seem to feel the same way.
I'm not an analog freak and i probably
like digital synth as much as analog  but i'm a bit scared
of the MD famous "crystal clear" sound. I don't care about
TR808, TR909 or any of the old drum modules, i want to shape
my own synthetic drum sound.  I mean, i have
to cut 60% of high frequencies on these demos just so my
ears won't bleed.  

I like the "control over sound manipulations"
the MD offers and that's why i'm interested in purchasing one
but i'm still not convince i can turn this "prestine sound" into
something i like.  Elektron presents it has a do it all machinedrum
but everyone seems to hide this prestine sound behind other
machines. In the end, the most important factor for me is:
how it sounds and is there enough range to make it
my own sound.  If you tell me that i won't be able to get
away from the ElektronDemo mix and make it less high freq,
i don't thing the MD is for me.  I will not spend 1100US$ to get
the same sounds i can get from my cheap Delta66 soundcard.


on 29/04/03 7:06 AM, electricbeats_eof at electricbeats@... wrote:


> Red lights flashing is always fun but what about  the sound of that thing
> when you first turned it on.  First impressions ?

I like the pristine sound of the MD - the percussion synth is very clear a
perfect 
match for the other gear I mentioned - just don't expect to get the typical
analogue punch you get from an 808 or the warm sound of a DX or a
linndrum - it's a different instrument.

I use the MDs kits as fundament and layer them with other drums to get more
punch if I need it e.g a 909 bassdrum module on top of an E12 bassdrum from
the MD - the digital sound and the decay comes from the MD and just a tiny
bit 
of punch is added by the 909 module.

I like the flexibility and the power of MDs synths, retrigger funktions and
seperate delay and reverb in sync with the beat, just a few knobturns away
on 
the same machine is unbeatable, and together with the external inputs it's
one 
of the most creative electronic instruments I have ever owned.


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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by simon leclerc

There is cold and there is "ears bleeding". I hope
the MD is just cold ;)

on 29/04/03 2:51 PM, stevenlebeau at stevenlebeau@... wrote:

As far as cold vs. warm goes: some people think Kraftwerk is 'cold',
while I think their music is incredibly 'human.' Warmth is just an
ideal, as is coldness. Think about it... :)

-Steven



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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by Brandon Daniel

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, simon leclerc wrote:

> You see, that's what i'm afraid of. From  all the demos
> i have heard, the sound seems too clean, too digital, ear cutting
> and trebely. And some reviewers seem to feel the same way.

Well, the machines definitely have that character out of the box... it was
my first impression, too, that they sound sterile and digital. This isn't
necessarily a bad thing though, it tends to make it an ideal drum machine
for IDM and the like, where this sterile sound isn't a drawback. Plus, it
tends to allow it to sit well in a mix with other classic machines, so for
people like me that have many classic machines (my MD plays with a 606,
808, airbase99, er1, TBS DRM1, and an sp1200) this isn't such a bad thing.

> my own sound.  If you tell me that i won't be able to get
> away from the ElektronDemo mix and make it less high freq,

I haven't played with this section of my MD enough yet (just got it used
last week, what a deal!), but the onboard EQ should allow you to roll off
a lot of the super bright highs. Worst case you could run it into an
outboard filter while overdriving that filter's input, it would grunge up
the MD a bit and make it sound warmer, as well as letting you roll off the
highs if it's a LPF.

-Brandon
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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by simon leclerc

It's good to hear, thanks for you comments.
I like that ghetto blaster reference :)

on 29/04/03 2:07 PM, rob.euroh1@... at rob.euroh1@... wrote:

Well, I bought mine for it to give me an 808 style elongated booming kick, I
got rid of my classic Emu SP 12 Turbo sampling drum machine  to be able to
afford one (bought a 1 month old model off someone last year). I write and
release electro and I have to say that this gamble of mine fully paid off.
This unit is the future of electronic percussion. Buy one and join the
privaleged few!

Seriously though, If I were to categorise the overall sound of the unit
(based on the fact that I jack up the volume on most of all the machines), I
would have to say that MD reminds me of beats heard coming out of a ghetto
blaster. - I wonder if any of you lot agree with that statement.

It delivers all the tuffness, hardness, or boom, distorted, classic or
forward thinking percussion that you could ever wish for.

I don't use the internal sequencer - only as a sound module and still
consider it worth every penny invested.





on 29/4/03 9:30 am, simon leclerc at Simonvolt@... wrote:

Red lights flashing is always fun but what about  the sound of that thing
when you first turned it on.  First impressions ?

on 28/04/03 9:24 PM, electricbeats_eof at electricbeats@... wrote:

Finally: You guys who are waiting for it so hard, once you will have
the box in your hands you will lift it up , put it on the table, plug it in
, 
see the red lights flashing and I'm sure all the time waiting will be
erased in your flash memory ;)
- 

-klaus










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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by I've got a LASER, Earthman!

le 29/04/2003 21:00, simon leclerc à Simonvolt@... a écrit :

> There is cold and there is "ears bleeding". I hope
> the MD is just cold ;)

For cold I have VermonaŠ good german analogue electro cold. Icy warm %)
For the booooooooom I have JoMox.

MD have pretty digital crunchy extreme settings :)
Abuse the kits, they are here just for it :D

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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by Raj

hi

>Brandon

Are you the Korg guy off the Oasys list?
Perhaps you already have a Electribe MX to toy with ;)


I would prefer that the sounds that "intially" come out are bright rather
than dull
which is the case with the MD.  This is a far better position when you come
to mixing/mastering as its easier to get it to sit by eq'ing the hi freq.
off.

You can use the onboard (per 16 machines) filter, eq to take the edge off or
even add bit reduction.

It also has a further mastering section with reverb and compression.



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> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, simon leclerc wrote:
>
> > You see, that's what i'm afraid of. From  all the demos
> > i have heard, the sound seems too clean, too digital, ear cutting
> > and trebely. And some reviewers seem to feel the same way.
>
> Well, the machines definitely have that character out of the box... it was
> my first impression, too, that they sound sterile and digital. This isn't
> necessarily a bad thing though, it tends to make it an ideal drum machine
> for IDM and the like, where this sterile sound isn't a drawback. Plus, it
> tends to allow it to sit well in a mix with other classic machines, so for
> people like me that have many classic machines (my MD plays with a 606,
> 808, airbase99, er1, TBS DRM1, and an sp1200) this isn't such a bad thing.
>
> > my own sound.  If you tell me that i won't be able to get
> > away from the ElektronDemo mix and make it less high freq,
>
> I haven't played with this section of my MD enough yet (just got it used
> last week, what a deal!), but the onboard EQ should allow you to roll off
> a lot of the super bright highs. Worst case you could run it into an
> outboard filter while overdriving that filter's input, it would grunge up
> the MD a bit and make it sound warmer, as well as letting you roll off the
> highs if it's a LPF.
>
> -Brandon
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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by simon leclerc

Thanks Brandon, your comments are helpfull.
However i don't have any old drum machines,
that's why i'm not sure the MD is for me since,
again, everyone seems to need other machines
to make the MD sounds good in a mix since it's
such a cold machine.


on 29/04/03 3:26 PM, Brandon Daniel at bdu@... wrote:

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, simon leclerc wrote:

> You see, that's what i'm afraid of. From  all the demos
> i have heard, the sound seems too clean, too digital, ear cutting
> and trebely. And some reviewers seem to feel the same way.

Well, the machines definitely have that character out of the box... it was
my first impression, too, that they sound sterile and digital. This isn't
necessarily a bad thing though, it tends to make it an ideal drum machine
for IDM and the like, where this sterile sound isn't a drawback. Plus, it
tends to allow it to sit well in a mix with other classic machines, so for
people like me that have many classic machines (my MD plays with a 606,
808, airbase99, er1, TBS DRM1, and an sp1200) this isn't such a bad thing.

> my own sound.  If you tell me that i won't be able to get
> away from the ElektronDemo mix and make it less high freq,

I haven't played with this section of my MD enough yet (just got it used
last week, what a deal!), but the onboard EQ should allow you to roll off
a lot of the super bright highs. Worst case you could run it into an
outboard filter while overdriving that filter's input, it would grunge up
the MD a bit and make it sound warmer, as well as letting you roll off the
highs if it's a LPF.

-Brandon
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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by Federico Ciapi

Martedì, 29 Apr 2003, alle 23:42 Europe/Rome, simon leclerc ha scritto:

> Thanks Brandon, your comments are helpfull.
> However i don't have any old drum machines,
> that's why i'm not sure the MD is for me since,
> again, everyone seems to need other machines
> to make the MD sounds good in a mix since it's
> such a cold machine.

Well, I don't think that the MD is such a "cold" machine.

It has got 4 synthesis engines, resonating hi/lo filters, eq and efx.
It just sounds the way you like!
It may take a bit more to achieve the sound you're looking for, but 
it's often possible.

Anyway, I haven't got any vintage or analog drum machine, but I listen 
to much music of every genre, and I believe that the MD can produce a 
huge variety of sounds.

Ok, I'm back to it's knobs now :-)

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by schmackofanz

I like the enormous punch that the MD generates.
Its a nice kick in the chest.
No complains regarding soundquality whatsoever.
Snares and hihhats are a lot nicer and way more flexible than in the Jomox.

Layering drums is never a good idea because you will get microflams that kill all the 
punch.
With the MD i dont feel i need to layer sounds to make it fat or crispy.

Only thing that i find annoying is the fact that the delay needs about 1 bar to adjust 
when i change from one pattern to the next and both use different time settings for 
the delay.
Totally unusable in a live situation.
Good thing i only use it in the studio......

Hans

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by rob.euroh1@virgin.net

The MD sounding unlike XoX boxes is a strength not a weakness. XoX's are
just a reference point that we are all familiar with. MD is a very expensive
luxury that DOES stand out in the mix, people are still discovering for
themselves how the box suits THEIR needs. I have stopped layering other
snares with MD now as I can make hits as cutting as an 808 snare but note,
that they are slightly different. This is the way forward. If we stick to
the same old same old, then ish  will get v. stale.
Bear in mind please that I bought this machine to make Miami Bass style
ridiculous long decay booms that usually only 808s  produce. I can now make
a myriad of drums on this theme alone that leave the 808 for dust and yes,
they ARE warm. Its about  learning how to use the MD properly. i.e. I got my
booms not from the Rolandish kit but the fm kits. The TRX kits can give you
close approximations, but  the MD is not a machine to use to imitate, get a
sampler if you want that. The MD will take you to Sonic hell and back, trust
me!
I had an 808 on loan for 6 months and found it to be redundant after I
sampled it a couple of times. My MD Gives me so much more Scope.

Good luck in making your choice.

Rob





on 29/4/03 10:42 pm, simon leclerc at Simonvolt@... wrote:

Thanks Brandon, your comments are helpfull.
However i don't have any old drum machines,
that's why i'm not sure the MD is for me since,
again, everyone seems to need other machines
to make the MD sounds good in a mix since it's
such a cold machine.


on 29/04/03 3:26 PM, Brandon Daniel at bdu@... wrote:

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, simon leclerc wrote:

> You see, that's what i'm afraid of. From  all the demos
> i have heard, the sound seems too clean, too digital, ear cutting
> and trebely. And some reviewers seem to feel the same way.

Well, the machines definitely have that character out of the box... it was
my first impression, too, that they sound sterile and digital. This isn't
necessarily a bad thing though, it tends to make it an ideal drum machine
for IDM and the like, where this sterile sound isn't a drawback. Plus, it
tends to allow it to sit well in a mix with other classic machines, so for
people like me that have many classic machines (my MD plays with a 606,
808, airbase99, er1, TBS DRM1, and an sp1200) this isn't such a bad thing.

> my own sound.  If you tell me that i won't be able to get
> away from the ElektronDemo mix and make it less high freq,

I haven't played with this section of my MD enough yet (just got it used
last week, what a deal!), but the onboard EQ should allow you to roll off
a lot of the super bright highs. Worst case you could run it into an
outboard filter while overdriving that filter's input, it would grunge up
the MD a bit and make it sound warmer, as well as letting you roll off the
highs if it's a LPF.

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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-29 by Brandon Daniel

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Raj wrote:

> >Brandon
>
> Are you the Korg guy off the Oasys list?

Hi, I assume you're an Oasys PCI owner, then? ;0)

> Perhaps you already have a Electribe MX to toy with ;)

Nope, though I'd like to play with one at some point, the demos sound
interesting.

> I would prefer that the sounds that "intially" come out are bright rather
> than dull
> which is the case with the MD.  This is a far better position when you come
> to mixing/mastering as its easier to get it to sit by eq'ing the hi freq.
> off.>
> You can use the onboard (per 16 machines) filter, eq to take the edge off or
> even add bit reduction.

That's definitely what I'm digging about the MD, the built in insert
effects per machine.

I can't wait to have some time to really dig in and play with it... I have
been so busy that I haven't had any spare time to really learn the MD or
the airbase yet.

The MD doesn't really replicate an 808 very well, so don't buy it for
that, but it can do similar sounds (but different) very well. I won't be
selling the 808 any time soon.

-Brandon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by aeon

On 4/29/03 1:58 PM, "simon leclerc" <Simonvolt@...> wrote:

> You see, that's what i'm afraid of. From  all the demos i have heard, the
> sound seems too clean, too digital, ear cutting and trebely.

All I can say to that is this:

1. as with most devices, the demos are hardly representative of the scope,
power or possibilities of the machine.

2. yes, it does sound digital...because it is a digital box! as it concerns
"too digital," I can guess what you may have meant, but from my perspective
it can exploit and trumpet its digital nature *and* show other colors.

3. cutting and trebly...well, it has filters that will get rid of all the
treble if you wish...honestly, the one thing I was worried about from the
demos was the seeming lack of bass...ha! as if! the low-end on the MD is
scary. in addressing clean, I agree that it does have a very clean nature,
and even with the onboard tools it retains a character that is precise,
exacting and seriously hi-fi...so if you want dirt in the way I think you
want dirt, process the outputs.

> I like the "control over sound manipulations" the MD offers and that's why i'm
> interested in purchasing one but i'm still not convince i can turn this
> "prestine sound" into something i like.

That is why Elektron offers a money-back trial period.

> Elektron presents it has a do it all machinedrum but everyone seems to hide
> this prestine sound behind other machines.

I don¹t think Elektron presents it as a do-it-all, just a
do-a-hell-of-a-lot...and it does. I find no need to ³hide² the sound of the
MD...if anything, I let it ride in the front seat. :)

> In the end, the most important factor for me is: how it sounds and is there
> enough range to make it my own sound.

Fair enough.

> If you tell me that i won't be able to get away from the ElektronDemo mix and
> make it less high freq, i don't thing the MD is for me.  I will not spend
> 1100US$ to get the same sounds i can get from my cheap Delta66 soundcard.

I can't comment on your programming skills, but that said, if you can¹t make
the MD sound dark within 30 mins of opening the box, then the MD is the
least of your problems.

Consider too that the sound of the MD is only part of the reason of why I
think it is so brilliant. I have never in 20 years of gear experienced a
user interface and end user experience like this in terms of the machine not
getting in the way of creative flow...indeed, it seems to encourage it.


cheers,
aeon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by aeon

On 4/29/03 4:20 PM, "Raj" <rajah_patel@...> wrote:

> You can use the onboard (per 16 machines) filter, eq to take the edge off or
> even add bit reduction.

AFAIK, there is no means to perform bit reduction in the MD.

I wish there was...I find the sample-rate-reduction to be less appealing,
but again, that is just my view.

I have asked Elektron if there would be a means to toggle between SRR/BDR,
but they are steadfast that the MD will never change in that regard, which
is a pity, because I think it could really enhance the sound of the MD
overall.


cheers,
aeon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by W. Brent Latta

Brandon!  Indicator from Darksonus (though I don¹t go there anymore).  Cool
to have you on the list!

-b

Once upon a time, Brandon Daniel wrote the following:

> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Raj wrote:
> 
>>> > >Brandon
>> >
>> > Are you the Korg guy off the Oasys list?
> 
> Hi, I assume you're an Oasys PCI owner, then? ;0)
> 
>> > Perhaps you already have a Electribe MX to toy with ;)
> 
> Nope, though I'd like to play with one at some point, the demos sound
> interesting.
> 
>> > I would prefer that the sounds that "intially" come out are bright rather
>> > than dull
>> > which is the case with the MD.  This is a far better position when you come
>> > to mixing/mastering as its easier to get it to sit by eq'ing the hi freq.
>> > off.>
>> > You can use the onboard (per 16 machines) filter, eq to take the edge off
>> or
>> > even add bit reduction.
> 
> That's definitely what I'm digging about the MD, the built in insert
> effects per machine.
> 
> I can't wait to have some time to really dig in and play with it... I have
> been so busy that I haven't had any spare time to really learn the MD or
> the airbase yet.
> 
> The MD doesn't really replicate an 808 very well, so don't buy it for
> that, but it can do similar sounds (but different) very well. I won't be
> selling the 808 any time soon.
> 
> -Brandon
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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

Thank you to all www  Elektron friends for
your comments, greatly appreciated.

Simon



on 29/04/03 6:43 PM, rob.euroh1@... at rob.euroh1@... wrote:

The MD sounding unlike XoX boxes is a strength not a weakness. XoX's are
just a reference point that we are all familiar with. MD is a very expensive
luxury that DOES stand out in the mix, people are still discovering for
themselves how the box suits THEIR needs. I have stopped layering other
snares with MD now as I can make hits as cutting as an 808 snare but note,
that they are slightly different. This is the way forward. If we stick to
the same old same old, then ish  will get v. stale.
Bear in mind please that I bought this machine to make Miami Bass style
ridiculous long decay booms that usually only 808s  produce. I can now make
a myriad of drums on this theme alone that leave the 808 for dust and yes,
they ARE warm. Its about  learning how to use the MD properly. i.e. I got my
booms not from the Rolandish kit but the fm kits. The TRX kits can give you
close approximations, but  the MD is not a machine to use to imitate, get a
sampler if you want that. The MD will take you to Sonic hell and back, trust
me!
I had an 808 on loan for 6 months and found it to be redundant after I
sampled it a couple of times. My MD Gives me so much more Scope.

Good luck in making your choice.

Rob





on 29/4/03 10:42 pm, simon leclerc at Simonvolt@... wrote:

Thanks Brandon, your comments are helpfull.
However i don't have any old drum machines,
that's why i'm not sure the MD is for me since,
again, everyone seems to need other machines
to make the MD sounds good in a mix since it's
such a cold machine.


on 29/04/03 3:26 PM, Brandon Daniel at bdu@... wrote:

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, simon leclerc wrote:

> You see, that's what i'm afraid of. From  all the demos
> i have heard, the sound seems too clean, too digital, ear cutting
> and trebely. And some reviewers seem to feel the same way.

Well, the machines definitely have that character out of the box... it was
my first impression, too, that they sound sterile and digital. This isn't
necessarily a bad thing though, it tends to make it an ideal drum machine
for IDM and the like, where this sterile sound isn't a drawback. Plus, it
tends to allow it to sit well in a mix with other classic machines, so for
people like me that have many classic machines (my MD plays with a 606,
808, airbase99, er1, TBS DRM1, and an sp1200) this isn't such a bad thing.

> my own sound.  If you tell me that i won't be able to get
> away from the ElektronDemo mix and make it less high freq,

I haven't played with this section of my MD enough yet (just got it used
last week, what a deal!), but the onboard EQ should allow you to roll off
a lot of the super bright highs. Worst case you could run it into an
outboard filter while overdriving that filter's input, it would grunge up
the MD a bit and make it sound warmer, as well as letting you roll off the
highs if it's a LPF.

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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by aeon

On 4/29/03 5:42 PM, "schmackofanz" <digitalaudiodesign@...> wrote:

> I like the enormous punch that the MD generates. Its a nice kick in the chest.

110% agreed. The transients the MD outputs are also amazing.


cheers,
aeon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by Federico Ciapi

>  if you want dirt in the way I think you
> want dirt, process the outputs.

In fact, sometimes I like to route MD's output to an electrix 
filterfactory.
That's dirty!

>> If you tell me that i won't be able to get away from the ElektronDemo 
>> mix and
>> make it less high freq, i don't thing the MD is for me.  I will not 
>> spend
>> 1100US$ to get the same sounds i can get from my cheap Delta66 
>> soundcard.
>
> I can't comment on your programming skills, but that said, if you 
> can’t make
> the MD sound dark within 30 mins of opening the box, then the MD is the
> least of your problems.

Ok, let's give him at least an hour to play with efx and read the 
manual :-)

> Consider too that the sound of the MD is only part of the reason of 
> why I
> think it is so brilliant. I have never in 20 years of gear experienced 
> a
> user interface and end user experience like this in terms of the 
> machine not
> getting in the way of creative flow...indeed, it seems to encourage it.

I totally agree.
MD's interface is really awesome!
I'd like to say the same of any soft sequencer ;-)

None has replied to my question about how to keep the "creative flow" 
using the MD with a sequencer.
I'd really like some advice.

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

I don't necessarily want "Dirt" but to know that it's possible
is enough for me. 

>>I can't comment on your programming skills, but that said, if you can¹t make
the MD sound dark within 30 mins of opening the box, then the MD is the
least of your problems. <<

HAHAHA! I like that comment ;)
I'm pretty sure i will know if the MD
is for me <soundwise> after 30 mins

>> Consider too that the sound of the MD is only part of the reason of why I
think it is so brilliant. I have never in 20 years of gear experienced a
user interface and end user experience like this in terms of the machine not
getting in the way of creative flow...indeed, it seems to encourage it.<<

Yes, that's why i got interested in the MD in the first place. I've always
wanted
a drum machine that can be used as an "Instrument" in his own
right and i think the MD fits in this category.

Thanks for your comments Aeon,

Simon



on 29/04/03 8:58 PM, aeon at aeonflux@... wrote:

On 4/29/03 1:58 PM, "simon leclerc" <Simonvolt@...> wrote:

> You see, that's what i'm afraid of. From  all the demos i have heard, the
> sound seems too clean, too digital, ear cutting and trebely.

All I can say to that is this:

1. as with most devices, the demos are hardly representative of the scope,
power or possibilities of the machine.

2. yes, it does sound digital...because it is a digital box! as it concerns
"too digital," I can guess what you may have meant, but from my perspective
it can exploit and trumpet its digital nature *and* show other colors.

3. cutting and trebly...well, it has filters that will get rid of all the
treble if you wish...honestly, the one thing I was worried about from the
demos was the seeming lack of bass...ha! as if! the low-end on the MD is
scary. in addressing clean, I agree that it does have a very clean nature,
and even with the onboard tools it retains a character that is precise,
exacting and seriously hi-fi...so if you want dirt in the way I think you
want dirt, process the outputs.

> I like the "control over sound manipulations" the MD offers and that's why i'm
> interested in purchasing one but i'm still not convince i can turn this
> "prestine sound" into something i like.

That is why Elektron offers a money-back trial period.

> Elektron presents it has a do it all machinedrum but everyone seems to hide
> this prestine sound behind other machines.

I don¹t think Elektron presents it as a do-it-all, just a
do-a-hell-of-a-lot...and it does. I find no need to ³hide² the sound of the
MD...if anything, I let it ride in the front seat. :)

> In the end, the most important factor for me is: how it sounds and is there
> enough range to make it my own sound.

Fair enough.

> If you tell me that i won't be able to get away from the ElektronDemo mix and
> make it less high freq, i don't thing the MD is for me.  I will not spend
> 1100US$ to get the same sounds i can get from my cheap Delta66 soundcard.

I can't comment on your programming skills, but that said, if you can¹t make
the MD sound dark within 30 mins of opening the box, then the MD is the
least of your problems.

Consider too that the sound of the MD is only part of the reason of why I
think it is so brilliant. I have never in 20 years of gear experienced a
user interface and end user experience like this in terms of the machine not
getting in the way of creative flow...indeed, it seems to encourage it.


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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by aeon

On 4/29/03 8:58 PM, "simon leclerc" <Simonvolt@...> wrote:

> I don't necessarily want "Dirt" but to know that
> it's possible is enough for me.

I think the MD can produce a few kinds of "dirt,"
but they are of a given character, so it may or
may not deliver given your wishes and musical
context.

>>> I can't comment on your programming skills,
>>> but that said, if you can¹t make the MD sound
>>> dark within 30 mins of opening the box, then
>>> the MD is the least of your problems. <<

> HAHAHA! I like that comment ;) I'm pretty sure
> i will know if the MD is for me <soundwise> after
> 30 mins

I am glad you took it with some levity...I should
have included an emoticon to denote playfulness. :)

When I got my MD, I was really pleased with how
much I could do before I consulted the manual.

That said, I respectfully suggest that you may
have first impressions in the first 30 minutes,
but don't think you can know its real breadth
and depth of sound potential in that time.
I have had my MD for nearly a year at this point,
and I am *still* finding tricks and techniques
that expand my idea of what it can do.

> I've always wanted a drum machine that can be
> used as an "Instrument" in his own right and
> i think the MD fits in this category.

It not only fits, but redefines the standard!


be well,
aeon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

on 29/04/03 9:02 PM, aeon at aeonflux@... wrote:

>> I find the sample-rate-reduction to be less appealing,
but again, that is just my view.

Why ? 
Not strong enough ?
You don't like that kind of fx as it destroys the sound
too much ?

My english could be better so i just don't
get why you don't like it,
but i'd like to know :)

Thanks again  



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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

on 29/04/03 11:08 PM, aeon at aeonflux@... wrote:

>>> I can't comment on your programming skills,
>>> but that said, if you can¹t make the MD sound
>>> dark within 30 mins of opening the box, then
>>> the MD is the least of your problems. <<

> HAHAHA! I like that comment ;) I'm pretty sure
> i will know if the MD is for me <soundwise> after
> 30 mins

I am glad you took it with some levity...I should
have included an emoticon to denote playfulness. :)

=> It's just that i'm well aware that my questions
might lead to believe i'm a debutant in the electronic
world. And this is true regarding electronic gears and
Mixing, i bought my first synth 2 years ago. I do have
good basics in guitar though ;)

When I got my MD, I was really pleased with how
much I could do before I consulted the manual.

That said, I respectfully suggest that you may
have first impressions in the first 30 minutes,
but don't think you can know its real breadth
and depth of sound potential in that time.
I have had my MD for nearly a year at this point,
and I am *still* finding tricks and techniques
that expand my idea of what it can do.

=> Yes of course 

> I've always wanted a drum machine that can be
> used as an "Instrument" in his own right and
> i think the MD fits in this category.

It not only fits, but redefines the standard!

=> Someone wrote something like "it's like Kraftwerk
on acid". I also like Autechre and i know the MD
is great for that metallic sound. So  those sound are covered
but the problem with me is i also want to use  synthetised drums
where you rarely hear them. That's why i'm asking
so many questions ;)

be well,
aeon

=> Thanks again

Simon







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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by endlessnessisticman

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, simon leclerc <Simonvolt@v...>
wrote:
> on 29/04/03 9:02 PM, aeon at aeonflux@a... wrote:
> 
> >> I find the sample-rate-reduction to be less appealing,
> but again, that is just my view.

I'm not much of a fan of it either.  But I still try it out most of
the time.  Just never liked what it did.  Maybe it's better for an
external source...hmmm.

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by aeon

On 4/29/03 11:09 PM, "simon leclerc"
<Simonvolt@...> wrote:

>> I find the sample-rate-reduction to be less appealing,
>> but again, that is just my view.

> Why ? 
> Not strong enough ?

No, it works fine, but I think the useful range of the
effect is usually confined to the first few increments
of the parameter.

also, it works best on sounds that have a lot of high-
frequency content, so the usefulness can vary from
sound to sound.

I like bit-depth reduction more because it is a means
by which to impart a tonal character from many older
digital drum machines, and I find it imparts a more
pleasing (to me) artifact than sample rate reduction.

> You don't like that kind of fx as it destroys the sound
> too much ?

no, I do not think it destroys it enough in a useful
manner.


cheers,
aeon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by digitalwank@mac.com

On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 01:43  AM, aeon wrote:

> I like bit-depth reduction more because it is a means
> by which to impart a tonal character from many older
> digital drum machines, and I find it imparts a more
> pleasing (to me) artifact than sample rate reduction.

I have to agree with you on this.  I would also prefer a bit-depth 
reduction.  The SRR rarely gets used, and even then it's usually only 
when I'm processing vocals.  I think it might have been better if they 
had put the SRR before the filters and parametric EQ, but after the AM 
section.

c.

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

Ok, so far what i read about what users think of MD FX:
The distortion is weak.
The Sample rate reduction is unusable (not strong enough)
The reverb is cheap sounding.
The delay takes one 1 bar to adjust to different delay settings.

This seems like a great collection of FX :(
Is there one good Fx i can use in this machine ?



on 30/04/03 10:48 AM, digitalwank@... at digitalwank@... wrote:


On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 01:43  AM, aeon wrote:

> I like bit-depth reduction more because it is a means
> by which to impart a tonal character from many older
> digital drum machines, and I find it imparts a more
> pleasing (to me) artifact than sample rate reduction.

I have to agree with you on this.  I would also prefer a bit-depth
reduction.  The SRR rarely gets used, and even then it's usually only
when I'm processing vocals.  I think it might have been better if they
had put the SRR before the filters and parametric EQ, but after the AM
section.

c.


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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by schmackofanz

I really like the reverb.
Its by no means convincing when it comes to simulate real rooms but it adds a very 
nice tail to the sounds of the MD.
Its sounds a bit like breathing.

There is nothing wrong with the Sample Rate reduction. Thats exactly what SRR 
sounds like in any other soft or hardware.

There is a seperate Distortion built into some of the kick drums that is really nasty 
and for the other sounds patching the output into the audio input and crank the input 
sensivity always does the trick. 

I agree that the delay should update the buffer more quickly.

I like the compressor and the EQ. The filters and AMD is also nice.

Some sort of flanger or phaser would be nice, but there are stiull the seperate outputs 
to send sounds to outboard gear.

Most important is that the MD has a very unique sound and delivers a tight groove.
It beats like a hammer.

Most of the online demos dont really show the possibilities an d the onboard pattern 
are not really happening either.
But its so easy to make your own grooves.


best
Hans

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, simon leclerc <Simonvolt@v...> wrote:
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> Ok, so far what i read about what users think of MD FX:
> The distortion is weak.
> The Sample rate reduction is unusable (not strong enough)
> The reverb is cheap sounding.
> The delay takes one 1 bar to adjust to different delay settings.
> 
> This seems like a great collection of FX :(
> Is there one good Fx i can use in this machine ?
> 
> 
> 
> on 30/04/03 10:48 AM, digitalwank@m... at digitalwank@m... wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 01:43  AM, aeon wrote:
> 
> > I like bit-depth reduction more because it is a means
> > by which to impart a tonal character from many older
> > digital drum machines, and I find it imparts a more
> > pleasing (to me) artifact than sample rate reduction.
> 
> I have to agree with you on this.  I would also prefer a bit-depth
> reduction.  The SRR rarely gets used, and even then it's usually only
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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by Raj

hi

I don't think anyone here can convince on words alone...

Perhaps you should go try it there is a 10 day money back g'tee

The FX are good for a synth but aren't going to compare to an Eventide or TC
Processor thats something you've got to live with unless you have the bucks


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> Ok, so far what i read about what users think of MD FX:
> The distortion is weak.
> The Sample rate reduction is unusable (not strong enough)
> The reverb is cheap sounding.
> The delay takes one 1 bar to adjust to different delay settings.
>
> This seems like a great collection of FX :(
> Is there one good Fx i can use in this machine ?
>
>
>
> on 30/04/03 10:48 AM, digitalwank@... at digitalwank@... wrote:
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>
> On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 01:43  AM, aeon wrote:
>
> > I like bit-depth reduction more because it is a means
> > by which to impart a tonal character from many older
> > digital drum machines, and I find it imparts a more
> > pleasing (to me) artifact than sample rate reduction.
>
> I have to agree with you on this.  I would also prefer a bit-depth
> reduction.  The SRR rarely gets used, and even then it's usually only
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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

Thanks for your comments  Schmackofanz.
I guess you could make some sort of flanger fx
with LFO and delay.
Anyhow, i just got an email from Elektron and they
received 14 MD, well 13 now ;)

on 30/04/03 12:45 PM, schmackofanz at digitalaudiodesign@... wrote:

I really like the reverb.
Its by no means convincing when it comes to simulate real rooms but it adds
a very 
nice tail to the sounds of the MD.
Its sounds a bit like breathing.

There is nothing wrong with the Sample Rate reduction. Thats exactly what
SRR 
sounds like in any other soft or hardware.

There is a seperate Distortion built into some of the kick drums that is
really nasty 
and for the other sounds patching the output into the audio input and crank
the input 
sensivity always does the trick.

I agree that the delay should update the buffer more quickly.

I like the compressor and the EQ. The filters and AMD is also nice.

Some sort of flanger or phaser would be nice, but there are stiull the
seperate outputs 
to send sounds to outboard gear.

Most important is that the MD has a very unique sound and delivers a tight
groove.
It beats like a hammer.

Most of the online demos dont really show the possibilities an d the onboard
pattern 
are not really happening either.
But its so easy to make your own grooves.


best
Hans

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> Ok, so far what i read about what users think of MD FX:
> The distortion is weak.
> The Sample rate reduction is unusable (not strong enough)
> The reverb is cheap sounding.
> The delay takes one 1 bar to adjust to different delay settings.
> 
> This seems like a great collection of FX :(
> Is there one good Fx i can use in this machine ?
> 
> 
> 
> on 30/04/03 10:48 AM, digitalwank@m... at digitalwank@m... wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 01:43  AM, aeon wrote:
> 
> > I like bit-depth reduction more because it is a means
> > by which to impart a tonal character from many older
> > digital drum machines, and I find it imparts a more
> > pleasing (to me) artifact than sample rate reduction.
> 
> I have to agree with you on this.  I would also prefer a bit-depth
> reduction.  The SRR rarely gets used, and even then it's usually only
> when I'm processing vocals.  I think it might have been better if they
> had put the SRR before the filters and parametric EQ, but after the AM
> section.
> 
> c.
> 
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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by aeon

On 4/30/03 11:18 AM, "simon leclerc"
<Simonvolt@...> wrote:

> Ok, so far what i read about what users think of MD FX:
> The distortion is weak.

I think the distortion is fine for modifying timbral color, but indeed, for
all-out full-gain distortion it is not so satisfying...but that said, can
you name a DSP-driven device that has a distortion that *is* satisfying?
There are not many, and for those that are, they are usually dedicating a
significant amount of DSP to do the task. Given the fact the MD has two DSPs
and is doing so much otherwise, it is no surprise the algorithm is not the
be-all, end-all distortion of everyone's dreams.

The MD does have individual outs though, and a nice analog pedal with rich,
creamy distortion is not much more than the price of a good lunch with
friends, hehe. ;)

> The Sample rate reduction is unusable (not strong enough)

No, it is more than stron enough...the problem *as I see it* is that as an
effect, it is of varying use depending on the drum sound, the effective
range of the effect is fairly small, and it is of less use than bit-depth
reduction would have been...but again, that is just me. I have many, many
tools that do sample rate reduction and bit depth reduction, and in general,
I nearly always love the sound of bit depth reduction and nearly always
dislike the sound of sample rate reduction...so this is a very personal and
subjective thing for me.

> The reverb is cheap sounding.

Hmm...it doesn't sound like a dedicated reverb box (see above comments re:
DSP resources in regard to distortion) to be sure, but that said, I quite
like the sound of it in the MD context, and this is coming from someone who
freely admits to being a reverb snob and making use of spendy dedicated
external reverb.

> The delay takes one 1 bar to adjust to different delay settings.

I can't comment on that, as I generally do not modulate delay-time settings
in the course of playback. Perhaps the MD takes time to do it because it is
interpolated so as to not introduce artifacts to the audio signal?

> This seems like a great collection of FX :(

Actually, it is...I am quite pleased with what Elektron chose to implement.

It seems you are focusing on subjective details and abstracting those things
into your total conception of the device.

Tell me what gear you use, and I am sure I can take any one of those devices
and play the same game with them.

> Is there one good Fx i can use in this machine ?

Many.

Don't get me wrong...I know you wish to be careful in making a potential
purchase, so I am not at all suggesting your questions are not valid. Nor do
I mean to suggest the MD is for everyone, because it is not.

That said, $1100 sounded expensive before I bought it, and quite a deal
after I had it for a week. ;)


cheers,
aeon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by aeon

On 4/30/03 11:45 AM, "schmackofanz"
<digitalaudiodesign@...> wrote:

> Most important is that the MD has a very
> unique sound and delivers a tight groove.
> It beats like a hammer.

Very much agreed, and it all happens via a
user interface that is intuitive to the point
every other manufacturer should study it,
take notes and go back to the drawing board
when it comes to their own devices.


cheers,
aeon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

I did not ask to be convinced, i'm just trying
to gather as much info as possible to make
a clear decision.

The money g'tee is a nice thought from Elektron, but
it's really 200$ for a 10 days trial. There's an import
fee that i will never recover and (i'm in Canada).
Might as well keep it for a while and sell it on
Ebay if it doesnt suit me.

> "The FX are good for a synth"

That's good enough for me if it's the case.
I also have a Lexicon MPX200.



on 30/04/03 12:49 PM, Raj at rajah_patel@... wrote:

hi

I don't think anyone here can convince on words alone...

Perhaps you should go try it there is a 10 day money back g'tee

The FX are good for a synth but aren't going to compare to an Eventide or TC
Processor thats something you've got to live with unless you have the bucks
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Subject: Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD


> Ok, so far what i read about what users think of MD FX:
> The distortion is weak.
> The Sample rate reduction is unusable (not strong enough)
> The reverb is cheap sounding.
> The delay takes one 1 bar to adjust to different delay settings.
>
> This seems like a great collection of FX :(
> Is there one good Fx i can use in this machine ?
>
>
>
> on 30/04/03 10:48 AM, digitalwank@... at digitalwank@... wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 30, 2003, at 01:43  AM, aeon wrote:
>
> > I like bit-depth reduction more because it is a means
> > by which to impart a tonal character from many older
> > digital drum machines, and I find it imparts a more
> > pleasing (to me) artifact than sample rate reduction.
>
> I have to agree with you on this.  I would also prefer a bit-depth
> reduction.  The SRR rarely gets used, and even then it's usually only
> when I'm processing vocals.  I think it might have been better if they
> had put the SRR before the filters and parametric EQ, but after the AM
> section.
>
> c.
>
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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

on 30/04/03 1:00 PM, aeon at aeonflux@... wrote:

On 4/30/03 11:45 AM, "schmackofanz"
<digitalaudiodesign@...> wrote:

> It beats like a hammer.

I'm thinking Einzturzen Nubaten :)





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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by Brandon Daniel

On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, aeon wrote:

> Very much agreed, and it all happens via a
> user interface that is intuitive to the point
> every other manufacturer should study it,
> take notes and go back to the drawing board
> when it comes to their own devices.

I have ;0)

-Brandon

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by simon leclerc

I know now how to get comments from MD users ;)
Elektron is shipping again and i just
ordered one :)
I would not have asked so many questions if the MD
was 500$. But now i'm quite confident it will suit
my needs.

As for the FX, i do have an external FX unit and i have
a DSI_ Evolver if i want the MD to turn into a monster :)

Thanks again for your help and thank you to everyone
who have answered all my questions and concerns.

Take care,

Simon




on 30/04/03 12:57 PM, aeon at aeonflux@... wrote:

On 4/30/03 11:18 AM, "simon leclerc"
<Simonvolt@...> wrote:

> Ok, so far what i read about what users think of MD FX:
> The distortion is weak.

I think the distortion is fine for modifying timbral color, but indeed, for
all-out full-gain distortion it is not so satisfying...but that said, can
you name a DSP-driven device that has a distortion that *is* satisfying?
There are not many, and for those that are, they are usually dedicating a
significant amount of DSP to do the task. Given the fact the MD has two DSPs
and is doing so much otherwise, it is no surprise the algorithm is not the
be-all, end-all distortion of everyone's dreams.

The MD does have individual outs though, and a nice analog pedal with rich,
creamy distortion is not much more than the price of a good lunch with
friends, hehe. ;)

> The Sample rate reduction is unusable (not strong enough)

No, it is more than stron enough...the problem *as I see it* is that as an
effect, it is of varying use depending on the drum sound, the effective
range of the effect is fairly small, and it is of less use than bit-depth
reduction would have been...but again, that is just me. I have many, many
tools that do sample rate reduction and bit depth reduction, and in general,
I nearly always love the sound of bit depth reduction and nearly always
dislike the sound of sample rate reduction...so this is a very personal and
subjective thing for me.

> The reverb is cheap sounding.

Hmm...it doesn't sound like a dedicated reverb box (see above comments re:
DSP resources in regard to distortion) to be sure, but that said, I quite
like the sound of it in the MD context, and this is coming from someone who
freely admits to being a reverb snob and making use of spendy dedicated
external reverb.

> The delay takes one 1 bar to adjust to different delay settings.

I can't comment on that, as I generally do not modulate delay-time settings
in the course of playback. Perhaps the MD takes time to do it because it is
interpolated so as to not introduce artifacts to the audio signal?

> This seems like a great collection of FX :(

Actually, it is...I am quite pleased with what Elektron chose to implement.

It seems you are focusing on subjective details and abstracting those things
into your total conception of the device.

Tell me what gear you use, and I am sure I can take any one of those devices
and play the same game with them.

> Is there one good Fx i can use in this machine ?

Many.

Don't get me wrong...I know you wish to be careful in making a potential
purchase, so I am not at all suggesting your questions are not valid. Nor do
I mean to suggest the MD is for everyone, because it is not.

That said, $1100 sounded expensive before I bought it, and quite a deal
after I had it for a week. ;)


cheers,
aeon


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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-04-30 by I've got a LASER, Earthman!

le 30/04/2003 20:58, simon leclerc à Simonvolt@... a écrit :

> Elektron is shipping again and i just ordered one :)

They have small quantities this week and shiploads next one :)

There will be a MD in each home soon ;D

> I would not have asked so many questions if the MD
> was 500$. But now i'm quite confident it will suit my needs.

mhmmm another victim %)

Denis U] MD in bed, literally

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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-05-01 by endlessnessisticman

> As for the FX, i do have an external FX unit and i have
> a DSI_ Evolver if i want the MD to turn into a monster :)

> Take care,
> 
> Simon

You'll see your new MD a monster soon enough.  Be patient my young Dr.
Frankensimon.  You won't need the evolver but it will morph it into a
giant japanese monster.

Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-05-01 by not known

> As for the FX, i do have an external FX unit and i
have
> a DSI_ Evolver if i want the MD to turn into a
monster :)

> Take care,

>>>You won't need the evolver but it will morph it
into a giant japanese monster.<<<

I beg to differ - the Evolver is an *awesome* source
of MIDI/clock-synced grunge effects for the MD :-D

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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-05-01 by simon leclerc

giant japanese monster - awesome grunge fx
 
=> Call it what you want, i'm certain it's going
to be insane :) 

Evolver is a good concept and sounds
really good - thank you Mr Smith. Btw, the idea of purchasing
a synth only available on the Web and created by people
who cares is one of the main reason why i bought an Evolver.
It was such a fine experience that it influenced
the decision of purchasing an MD.

CAN NOT WAIT ANY LONGER FOR MY MD -- WILL LOSE IT SOON...

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9o786g76G?7fi766bi967bi6i7bbjytv...


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> As for the FX, i do have an external FX unit and i
have
> a DSI_ Evolver if i want the MD to turn into a
monster :)

> Take care,

>>>You won't need the evolver but it will morph it
into a giant japanese monster.<<<

I beg to differ - the Evolver is an *awesome* source
of MIDI/clock-synced grunge effects for the MD :-D

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Re: [elektron] a bid hand for elektron and the MD

2003-05-01 by simon leclerc

giant japanese monsters => my favorites :)

on 01/05/03 12:25 AM, endlessnessisticman at endlessnessisticman@...
wrote:

> As for the FX, i do have an external FX unit and i have
> a DSI_ Evolver if i want the MD to turn into a monster :)

> Take care,
> 
> Simon

You'll see your new MD a monster soon enough.  Be patient my young Dr.
Frankensimon.  You won't need the evolver but it will morph it into a
giant japanese monster.


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