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Re: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...

2003-07-17 by M-.-n

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From: "philipp_angleitner" <Philipp_Angleitner@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 6:08 PM
Subject: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...


> first question: is it possible to make some absolutely "digital"
> beats with this machine? or are there only beats possible which have
> something like an analogue feel? the question is a bit tricky, i
> know ;)
>
> second question: how many parametres are there for the different
> sounds? how many different values do the parametres have? i mean: the
> jomox xbase has 127 values per parametre. so how many offers the
> machinedrum?
>
> last question: is this tool better than the xbase? what do those of
> you say who own both these tools?
>
> thanks for answering and sorry for my fucked up english... phil
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Re: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...

2003-07-17 by M-.-n

> first question: is it possible to make some absolutely "digital"
> beats with this machine? or are there only beats possible which have
> something like an analogue feel? the question is a bit tricky, i
> know ;)

Yes.. the MD is 100% digital. Even the TRX machines that 'emulates' classic
analog have a digital feel to me. They're 'harder'.

> second question: how many parametres are there for the different
> sounds? how many different values do the parametres have? i mean: the
> jomox xbase has 127 values per parametre. so how many offers the
> machinedrum?

Each machine has up to 8 parameters with up to 127 values. Then each track
has 'effects' ; again 8 parameters. If you look for loads of tweaking, this
is the one.

> last question: is this tool better than the xbase? what do those of
> you say who own both these tools?

Don't have a jomox but I would say they are totally different. The tone is
going to be different (since they are based on a total different
architecture); each of them will do some stuff the other does not.

Hope this helps;
Marc

Re: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...

2003-07-17 by Sr. Minimo

> > last question: is this tool better than the xbase?
> what do those of
> > you say who own both these tools?

By pure chance, I was actually at a friend's house
this weekend who has a Jomox and I brought my machine
drum, as he's been dying to try it out. He's now 
selling his Jomox to get a machine drum (he also has a
909, an 808 and a Simmons, so he's not gona miss the
jomox terribly). The Jomox has a booming sound, the
machine Drum is a monster. The Machine Drum is far
superior in sound capability, effects, sequencer,
construction and even in looks. Jomox might be better
at making t-shirts, I'm not sure.
Much respect
Flavio


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Re: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...

2003-07-17 by Boele Gerkes

I have both, and I would not sell one of them.

The Jomox is *superior* in those low, full, analog bassdrums, no question
about it, the unique snare sounds are harder to get from the Xbase comparing
with the MD but they are there too.

Machinedrum wins it in polyphony, other sounds (I would say it is strong in
the more *electronic* sounds) userinterface etc.
They live happily together in my setup.

My two percent.

Boele Gerkes


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> 
>>> last question: is this tool better than the xbase?
>> what do those of
>>> you say who own both these tools?
> 
> By pure chance, I was actually at a friend's house
> this weekend who has a Jomox and I brought my machine
> drum, as he's been dying to try it out. He's now
> selling his Jomox to get a machine drum (he also has a
> 909, an 808 and a Simmons, so he's not gona miss the
> jomox terribly). The Jomox has a booming sound, the
> machine Drum is a monster. The Machine Drum is far
> superior in sound capability, effects, sequencer,
> construction and even in looks. Jomox might be better
> at making t-shirts, I'm not sure.
> Much respect
> Flavio
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Re: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...

2003-07-17 by amos luyk

Hi Phillip,

The MD as the others have said, excells at digital sounds. With a great deal 
of care and a bit of EQ it can also sound very analog and sometimes even 
very 'real'. It all depends on how you use it and what you call analog and 
digital (quick hint here for general synth use.... roll off frequencies 
above about 6k with a 12dB filter and your digital synths begin to sound 
remarkably analog... a bit static perhaps, but in a mix you would have to 
have very good ears to tell - ah the digital/analog debate... nearly as 
devisive and confusing as the mac/pc debate =0)).

The second question has been answered already, but I would argue that many 
of the MDs parameters have less than 127 steps, as thay become quite 
unusable at high settings. There is some hope that Elektron may sort this 
out in a future update, but don't hold your breath.

As to your last question - the xBase is a killer drum machine for dance 
music with (IMHO) the fattest kick drum ever (side by side with a 909, the 
xBase really is the king.... fat as hell and much less noise). If I had the 
money I would have both, no question about it. However, if you are only 
going to have one drum machine, then the MD is surely the only choice, 
especially if you intend to do any music that does not fall into the full on 
dance bracket. The MD offers so much more than just drums.

Hope this helps =0)

thinking happy thoughts
amos


>From: "philipp_angleitner" <Philipp_Angleitner@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...
>Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:08:46 -0000
>
>first question: is it possible to make some absolutely "digital"
>beats with this machine? or are there only beats possible which have
>something like an analogue feel? the question is a bit tricky, i
>know ;)
>
>second question: how many parametres are there for the different
>sounds? how many different values do the parametres have? i mean: the
>jomox xbase has 127 values per parametre. so how many offers the
>machinedrum?
>
>last question: is this tool better than the xbase? what do those of
>you say who own both these tools?
>
>thanks for answering and sorry for my fucked up english... phil
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...

2003-07-18 by Boele Gerkes

on 18-07-2003 00:33, Sr. Minimo at srminimo@... wrote:

> Yo Boele, I've been listening to your music all day.
> Do you have EVERY machine ever made?

LOL! No, and I am glad I don't. My studio is like 2,5 by 4 meters, hahaha...
One CS80 would fill it up completely :-)))

But I agree that I have build up a fine set of synths. Not that I am that
rich. I even stopped driving a car for this insane hobby :-)))

Thanks for listening to the music, I hope you enjoyed a few tunes?

Regards, Boele

Re: [elektron] some questions before buying this machine...

2003-07-21 by I've got a LASER, Earthman!

le 17/07/2003 18:42, Sr. Minimo à srminimo@... a écrit :

> By pure chance, I was actually at a friend's house
> this weekend who has a Jomox and I brought my machine
> drum, as he's been dying to try it out. He's now
> selling his Jomox to get a machine drum (he also has a
> 909, an 808 and a Simmons, so he's not gona miss the
> jomox terribly). The Jomox has a booming sound, the
> machine Drum is a monster. The Machine Drum is far
> superior in sound capability, effects, sequencer,
> construction and even in looks. Jomox might be better
> at making t-shirts, I'm not sure.

Please, never compare analogue/digital stuff on the effects.

THERE IS NO EFFECTS in most analogue stuff
1/ analogue effectes are expensive to build
2/ most analogue stuff don't need effects ;)
3/ background noise in analogue is part of the sound (for example: when you
crank up resonance you add resonnance to the noise too ;) héhé)

Now your friend given his setup is strimlining it and expanding its range of
sounds :)

Denis U]

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Re: [elektron] elektron page offline?

2003-07-21 by Corey Appleby

Looks like they are down.  From here (pittsburgh) a traceroute dies  
after a sprintlink.net router.   Maybe someone was using a backhoe  
again... :)

If you're looking for specific info you can use Google's cache.

hth,
c.
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Re: [elektron] elektron page offline?

2003-07-21 by I've got a LASER, Earthman!

le 21/07/2003 18:58, Splank! à splank@... a écrit :

> I can´t access the elektron pages....

Something is down on their server, it's not answering properly, if someone
has their email somewhere, I think he should mail them a quickword on this
issue.

Denis U]

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AW: [elektron] elektron page offline?

2003-07-23 by Splank!

I think they are on holidays.
Noone picks up the phone in the last 2 days.

Flo




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le 21/07/2003 18:58, Splank! \ufffd splank@... a \ufffdcrit\ufffd:

> I can\ufffdt access the elektron pages....

Something is down on their server, it's not answering properly, if someone
has their email somewhere, I think he should mail them a quickword on this
issue.

Denis U]

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Re: [elektron] elektron page offline?

2003-07-23 by Gert van Santen

Splank! wrote:
> I think they are on holidays.
> Noone picks up the phone in the last 2 days.

That's weird...

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

Re: AW: [elektron] elektron page offline?

2003-07-23 by I've got a LASER, Earthman!

le 23/07/2003 16:42, Splank! à splank@... a écrit :

> I think they are on holidays.
> Noone picks up the phone in the last 2 days.

mhmm fishing by the lake near their little hut

damn sweden! ;)

This said I'm about to do the same thing in Switzerland. Blame it on the
Alps ;) :D

With he mono coming I don't think it'll last long

Denis U]

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Re: [elektron] elektron page offline?

2003-07-23 by M-.-n

There are not the only one being down... www.vjforums.com is too. Since
roughly the same time. And I doubt they have any room for holidays :-)

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> le 21/07/2003 18:58, Splank! \ufffd splank@... a \ufffdcrit :
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> > I can\ufffdt access the elektron pages....
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> Something is down on their server, it's not answering properly, if someone
> has their email somewhere, I think he should mail them a quickword on this
> issue.
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> Denis U]
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Re: [elektron] elektron page offline?

2003-07-23 by Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Splank!" <splank@z...> wrote:
> I think they are on holidays.
> Noone picks up the phone in the last 2 days.

they are. I just received a Sid from them and we were working out
details a couple weeks back so that they could get it out to me before
they left.

Maybe they wanted to take the opportunity to leave before the Mono
craze hits :-)

Joe.

Re: [elektron] elektron page offline?

2003-07-23 by I've got a LASER, Earthman!

le 23/07/2003 17:03, M-.-n à nostromo@... a écrit :

> There are not the only one being down... www.vjforums.com is too. Since
> roughly the same time. And I doubt they have any room for holidays :-)

Maybe the DNS is down like it happened to us a few weeks ago.

It came back in less than 24 hours.

But there's some s...t going on the net for a few days that doesn't seem
casherŠ

Denis U]

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Wicked!

2003-07-24 by damon

I cannot wait to try one of these paired with my MD--

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1140

Oohhhhhh yes.  Wicked.

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