Elektron Musical Instruments

Does anyone know if there are plans of making the monomachine in 
module form just like the MD? (so without the keyboard)
It would be so cool to have two of those (small) boxes on stage. (i 
don't like keyboards for Live sets, just to big as i have to carry 
all the gear myself to a gig)
Right now i use the Evolver with MD but i can sure use some extra 
synth power, the Evolver is great but only monophonic.

Grtz. Ronald.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald" <info@r...> wrote:
> Does anyone know if there are plans of making the monomachine in 
> module form just like the MD? (so without the keyboard)

I asked Elektron not too long ago.  My question was, basically, is the
keyboard interface to the MM something other than the normal
interface?  Because knowing Elektron, this is entirely possible; and
if this is the case, then they will likely not separate the module
from the keyboard.

They informed me that the keyboard is in fact just a controller, as in
any other synth.  Its functions are as normal - live playing, sequence
recording and triggering sequences.

So then I see no reason why they *wouldn't* release a module version,
especially if the keyboard version is successful  And in fact, when 
asked this direct question, their reply was something to the nature of 
"the keyboard version is all that we've announced :-)" <--- note the
smiley!

> It would be so cool to have two of those (small) boxes on stage. (i 
> don't like keyboards for Live sets, just to big as i have to carry 
> all the gear myself to a gig)

I agree completely.  That's one of the main reasons why I've decided
not to purchase the MM once it's released.  I'm holding off, hoping
for a MMM :-)

See, when I'm writing with synths, I spend very little time actually
playing a keyboard; it's only used to find what I want and sequence
it, then left alone.  I'm not skilled at keyboards and I have no
desire to cart one to a gig.  Especially since, from the looks of it,
the MM weighs at least twice what the MD weighs.  That's an awful lot
to carry around when you're not going to use it.

Besides, wouldn't the MD and a MM module look so cute together? ;-)

> Right now i use the Evolver with MD but i can sure use some extra 
> synth power, the Evolver is great but only monophonic.

I'm in love with the Evolver as well.  And I also needed "extra synth
power"; so I went with the Nord Rack 2X.  I'm very happy with it, but
I still have a hard time dragging myself from playing the MD exclusively.

Joe.

--- Joe <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> I'm in love with the Evolver as well.  And I also
> needed "extra synth
> power"; so I went with the Nord Rack 2X.  I'm very
> happy with it, but
> I still have a hard time dragging myself from
> playing the MD exclusively.

Nord Rack is great gear - no dispargement intended. 
Another option you might want to look into is the
Virus C - available both in a rack module & as
software (a bud of mine's got the SW - every bit as
functional as my Indigo 2 hw).

I second the lust for a MMM <virtual drool drops/>.
Like most of us, after the first wave of gear lust
I've got all the keyboards I can physically house.
Just give me the sounds and new ways to mold them.

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So what exactly is so special about the mono machine anyway? I mean,
its very clear why the MD is so cool, there is nothing else out that
is not a toy in that arena ( ok maybe excluding the xbase ). But there
are plenty of great synths out. What will make the MM better than the
rest?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Eric Jacobsen <eajacobsen@y...>
wrote:

> 
> --- Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> > I'm in love with the Evolver as well.  And I also
> > needed "extra synth
> > power"; so I went with the Nord Rack 2X.  I'm very
> > happy with it, but
> > I still have a hard time dragging myself from
> > playing the MD exclusively.
> 
> Nord Rack is great gear - no dispargement intended. 
> Another option you might want to look into is the
> Virus C - available both in a rack module & as
> software (a bud of mine's got the SW - every bit as
> functional as my Indigo 2 hw).
> 
> I second the lust for a MMM <virtual drool drops/>.
> Like most of us, after the first wave of gear lust
> I've got all the keyboards I can physically house.
> Just give me the sounds and new ways to mold them.
> 
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Hi,


I'd just like to add my two euros worth re : monomachine . I do not see
why they produced a keyboard . In my opinion the machinedrum would be
far better off with a step-sequencing " evil twin " . In producing
electronic music and the like , keyboards are not required unless you're
into egocentric keyboard eccentricities ... the problems that electron
have encountered have ironically been with the procurement and supply of
the keyboards . In a " think different " approach , would it not be
better to start with a rack and extend it to a keyboard , if the demand
was great enough , rather than the " usual " keyboard first rack module
later approach . As a matter of interest how many people subscribed to
this group are actually keyboard players ?


psi

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> As a matter of interest how many people subscribed to this group 
> are actually keyboard players ?

Me. And midi guitar. But I still wish it were a standalone sequencer.

-m@

I have to agree that Elektron would be better releasing modules than 
cumbersome keyboards. I really think synths should be in module form 
nowadays, and played via MIDI with a good weighted keyboard with 
velocity and aftertouch. Apart from that it just seems like a good 
way to take up space and add more to the overall luggage weight...

I'm actually happy it's a keyboard. I've been waiting
to buy a keyboard for a while, as all I have is
modules and I miss the old times with my Ensoniq SQ16,
when i could sequence some keyboard stuff.

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "marc s. davidson" <psi@p...> 
wrote:
> later approach . As a matter of interest how many people subscribed 
> to this group are actually keyboard players ?

  Me, for one...

  And probably at least 75% of the group.  It's difficult to produce 
electronic music of any quality if you can't play a keyboard... (of 
course, there are other controllers available... Yamaha WX-7 Wind 
Controller, I think there are MIDI guitars, etc.. but keyboards are 
prevalent)

Hi,

I totally disagree , analogue sequencers / drum machines have been used
by most of the main electronic artists to create their music . Have you
done your own poll to calculate " at least 75% " of this group are
keyboard players ?

psi









 

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"   And probably at least 75% of the group.

**It's difficult to produce electronic music of any quality if you can't 
play a keyboard... **

.... um...... what?

lots of people produce 'quality' elctronic music with little to no skills on 
keyboard... RDJ, Tom Jenkinson, Dj Shadow....

i can't play keyboards worth a monkey's arse hair... and i'd like to think 
that some of my stuff is of at least half-assed quality.

anybody else use anything good as a midi note input device other than a 
keyboard?  the glove t'ing is neat......

-0behn desu0-
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> .......anybody else use anything good as a midi note input device 
> other than a keyboard?




erm like... perhaps  a " machinedrum "   ?


psi

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "marc s. davidson" <psi@p...> 
wrote:
> 
> I totally disagree , analogue sequencers / drum machines have been 
> used by most of the main electronic artists to create their music . 

  How many studios have you been in that didn't have a keyboard?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "marc s. davidson" <psi@p...> 
wrote:
> Have you done your own poll to calculate " at least 75% " of this 
> group are keyboard players ?

  I have now.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Col Dee" <coldee@m...> wrote:
> I have to agree that Elektron would be better releasing modules 
than 
> cumbersome keyboards. I really think synths should be in module 
form 
> nowadays, and played via MIDI with a good weighted keyboard with 
> velocity and aftertouch. Apart from that it just seems like a good 
> way to take up space and add more to the overall luggage weight...

I'm tellin' ya... they could make the keyboard attach on the side 
exactly where it is in the photos... a couple of thumb-screws and a 
card jack on the side, and they could sell the two separately.  How 
cool would it be to own both the rack, _and_ key version?  That might 
even be worth $1800.

-gerald

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Mind Mechanic" <machanic@e...>
wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "marc s. davidson" <psi@p...> 
> wrote:
> > Have you done your own poll to calculate " at least 75% " of this 
> > group are keyboard players ?
> 
>   I have now.

You're missing the point.  That is, although a large # of people in
here  (and in any electronic music-makers group) own a keyboard in
their studio, not a large # of them are really keyboard players.  The
keyboard is just a tool for constructing a track.  And in most cases,
it isn't used at all after the track is sequenced.

I own a keyboard.  I use it about 2% of the time when writing a track.
 So although it *is* my input device for synthesizers and sequencers,
it isn't what I use when I *play* my tracks.

Thus, I think your poll data won't really prove very much.

Some better questions would be: "what percentage of your track-writing
time do you spend using a keyboard", "once a track is sequenced, do
you ever use your keyboard to play it?", "do you consider yourself a
keyboardist?", "what role does a keyboard play in your music: input
tool only; live performance tool; sound programming tool; etc."

Joe.

I want to say here that I do not play the keyboard well, but it is a 
better way for me to come up with a melody or bass line.  I'm learning 
about traditional keys every time i sit down and come up with a chord 
progression or some other synth line.  

I have a track I'm working on now that I actually play.  But it is 
only three notes and I still mess it up.  I think you can have that 
jazz like time change expression thing going on with a keyboard.  

Elektron better have decent keys for it for all this trouble they have 
had.  As I said before, I'm sure they'll have a module version, if 
they smart.  Every other company usually has some.  You only need one 
keyboard with midi.  

Does anyone know why Death in Vegas has three members?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Mind Mechanic" <machanic@e..
.>
> wrote:
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "marc s. davidson" <psi@p..
.> 
> > wrote:
> > > Have you done your own poll to calculate " at least 75% " of 
this 
> > > group are keyboard players ?
> > 
> >   I have now.
> 
> You're missing the point.  That is, although a large # of people in
> here  (and in any electronic music-makers group) own a keyboard in
> their studio, not a large # of them are really keyboard players.  
The
> keyboard is just a tool for constructing a track.  And in most 
cases,
> it isn't used at all after the track is sequenced.
> 
> I own a keyboard.  I use it about 2% of the time when writing a 
track.
>  So although it *is* my input device for synthesizers and 
sequencers,
> it isn't what I use when I *play* my tracks.
> 
> Thus, I think your poll data won't really prove very much.
> 
> Some better questions would be: "what percentage of your 
track-writing

> time do you spend using a keyboard", "once a track is sequenced, do
> you ever use your keyboard to play it?", "do you consider yourself a
> keyboardist?", "what role does a keyboard play in your music: input
> tool only; live performance tool; sound programming tool; etc."
> 
> Joe.

But elektron is not every other company ;)

On 8/19/03 10:42 PM, "endlessnessisticman" <endlessnessisticman@...>
wrote:

>I'm sure they'll have a module version, if
> they smart.  Every other company usually has some.

> >I'm sure they'll have a module version, if they smart.  Every 
other company usually has some.
> But elektron is not every other company ;)

Yeah, and every boy should look like his father...

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:

> Some better questions would be: "what percentage of your track-
> writing time do you spend using a keyboard", "once a track is 
> sequenced, do you ever use your keyboard to play it?", "do you 
> consider yourself a keyboardist?", "what role does a keyboard play 
> in your music: input tool only; live performance tool; sound 
> programming tool; etc."

  None of those questions address the arguments put forth by Marc S. 
Davis and Behn Humphry, both of whom seem to feel that keyboards 
aren't used by electronic musicians.  Playing live does not make one 
a keyboard player.  Nor does playing a keyboard well.  Being a 
keyboard player simply means that, at some point in your studio 
process, you play a keyboard.  I personally compose all of my 
melodies into the sequencer from the keyboard.  That doesn't make me 
a "keyboardist" (which would be similar to a guitarist), but it 
certainly makes me a keyboard player.  And when you play your 
keyboard, the 2% of the time that you do, you're a keyboard player 
too.

Seems this discussion is taking a wrong turn.
There will always be keyboard and module buyers for different reasons 
so no need to argue that.

I hope the MM will have the same kind of sequencer tricks up it's 
sleeve as the MD, That would really set it apart from the already 
very expanded range of VA's. (virtual analog synth's)
And if it's like that it would be very nice to have it in a small 
portable package like the MD. I do own a keyboard (KARMA) and one is 
enough for composing at home. 
When i go Live i would like to have as little as possible to carry 
around. (I once saw a picture of a live set done with 4 gameboy's !!!)

GRtz. Ronald.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, marc davidson 
<psi@p...> wrote:
> > .......anybody else use anything good as a midi note input 
device 
> > other than a keyboard?

http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Continuum

This is very expensive but cool!

Yes, same for me,
i allready four Keyboards!
If i have the choice between a Keybord- or a Desktopversion, i would
prefer the Desktop (like the MD). Just a question of space and what
you allready own.
Stefan