Elektron Musical Instruments

I've been using the Machine Drum at a week-long electronic music
festival.
 
The fact that you need to hold down the Function key to perform tap
tempo is a real pain! 
 
What I'd like to see is some kind of way to use the inputs to enter taps
with a foot pedal. Would it be possible?


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Rather than spending money on a pedal, spend it on the
Red Sound "Micro Sync". It matches MIDI tempo to audio
tempo automatically, so it will match your Machine
Drum to turtables on a DJ set-up automatically. I'm
pretty sure this is the way Righie Hawtin mixes his
909 to his DJ sets. It's also pretty cheap. You can't
get a sweeter deal than that.




 --- Matt Picone <matman@...> wrote:
> I've been using the Machine Drum at a week-long
> electronic music
> festival.
>  
> The fact that you need to hold down the Function key
> to perform tap
> tempo is a real pain! 
>  
> What I'd like to see is some kind of way to use the
> inputs to enter taps
> with a foot pedal. Would it be possible?
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


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> Rather than spending money on a pedal, spend it on the
> Red Sound "Micro Sync". It matches MIDI tempo to audio
> tempo automatically, so it will match your Machine
> Drum to turtables on a DJ set-up automatically.

I had it. It sucked, because its operation is limited to one of three
gross tempo "ranges". In other words, you can't switch from a tempo of
70 to a tempo of say, 130 without making changes that reside in a soft
menu.

-M@

Red Sound is a WEIRD company.  Their CEO is like a used car salesman 
with a background in day trading.  Their products are really similar in 
a lot of ways, but some things about each one are total gems.


On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 01:24 PM, Matt Picone wrote:

> > Rather than spending money on a pedal, spend it on the
> > Red Sound "Micro Sync". It matches MIDI tempo to audio
> > tempo automatically, so it will match your Machine
> > Drum to turtables on a DJ set-up automatically.
>
> I had it. It sucked, because its operation is limited to one of three
> gross tempo "ranges". In other words, you can't switch from a tempo of
> 70 to a tempo of say, 130 without making changes that reside in a soft
> menu.
>
> -M@
>
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Still... in a "Dj style" set, you're not going to
change tempo that drastically 99 times out of 100. So
if you're keeping a +/- 10 tempo change, like regular
turntables, you should be fine.

> I had it. It sucked, because its operation is
> limited to one of three
> gross tempo "ranges". In other words, you can't
> switch from a tempo of
> 70 to a tempo of say, 130 without making changes
> that reside in a soft
> menu.
> 
> -M@
> 
> 


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on 8/25/03 5:33 PM, Sr. Minimo at srminimo@... wrote:

>> I had it. It sucked, because its operation is
>> limited to one of three
>> gross tempo "ranges". In other words, you can't
>> switch from a tempo of
>> 70 to a tempo of say, 130 without making changes
>> that reside in a soft
>> menu.

> Still... in a "Dj style" set, you're not going to
> change tempo that drastically 99 times out of 100. So
> if you're keeping a +/- 10 tempo change, like regular
> turntables, you should be fine.

Why would you assume that M@ was doing a DJ-style set?

He's a musician, in the classic sense of the word, and
wants to be able to use the MD in a live jam situation.


cheers,
aeon

Please don't listen to this advise. If you don't use it, that won't mean
nobody does..

What are we? Wannabee Djs or producers with our own minds. If you want to
act like a dj, start buying records and some technics instead of imitate a
dj.

Switching to a multiple of a tempo can be very interesting!

>So
> if you're keeping a +/- 10 tempo change, like regular
> turntables, you should be fine.

Maybe this emphasises the definition of turntable music being dull..

;)

Best regards,
JohnnyBusca

> Still... in a "Dj style" set, you're not going to
> change tempo that drastically 99 times out of 100. So
> if you're keeping a +/- 10 tempo change, like regular
> turntables, you should be fine.
>
> > I had it. It sucked, because its operation is
> > limited to one of three
> > gross tempo "ranges". In other words, you can't
> > switch from a tempo of
> > 70 to a tempo of say, 130 without making changes
> > that reside in a soft
> > menu.
> >
> > -M@
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ok, ok, don't chew my ass here. I assumed (obviously
wrong, but it's what I do personally, so sorry) that
our friend wanted to match beats with turntables
and/or play a "continuous" live set.
sr. minimo
PD
Musicians in the classic sense don't use Machine
Drums.

> 
> He's a musician, in the classic sense of the word,
> and
> wants to be able to use the MD in a live jam
> situation.
> 
> 
> cheers,
> aeon
> 
> 


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On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 07:57:19AM -0700, Sr. Minimo wrote:
>    Musicians in the classic sense don't use Machine
>    Drums.

I am and I do.  I've played real drums for 12 years and got into
electronics only recently.  In fact, I'm using the MD (and drums)
with a friend of mine who's using a guitar looping pedal (with his
guitar) as well.  We have a *really* hard time getting the pedal and
the MD to sync up for more than one or two measures.  I think the
Red Sound device you suggested might help this situation a lot
(and we don't make drastic tempo changes, so that's no big deal).
So I'll have to check that out sometime.

Joe

--- Joe <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 07:57:19AM -0700, Sr. Minimo
> wrote:
> >    Musicians in the classic sense don't use
> Machine
> >    Drums.
> 
> I am and I do.  

No you don't. You might be a classically trained
musician, but you're not playing music in the
classical way, you're experimenting. I do hope the
thing works for you. By the way, Red sound also has a
loop sampler with the same bpm matching technology
named Cycloops your guitarist might want to check out.

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On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 08:18:56AM -0700, Sr. Minimo wrote:
>    No you don't. You might be a classically trained
>    musician, but you're not playing music in the
>    classical way, you're experimenting.

So physically playing a drumset isn't playing music in the classical
way?  Since when?

Joe

> So physically playing a drumset isn't playing music
> in the classical
> way?  Since when?
> 
> Joe

Yeah, but adding a Machine Drum and manipulating
guitar loops isn't.

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I don't really think the microsync will help you in this situation. It needs a distinguishable rhythm as input for it's beat detection. Since I'm guessing the pedal has no midi (otherwise problem solved..) you would have to split the pedal's output off and into the microsync, which would then go wtf are you sending me.. and _maybe_ you would get it to send midi clock/sync to the MD, but I doubt it. 
I, however, use the microsync with my dj mixer, and I can mix the MD with records just fine.. microsync rocks :)

-Chris

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:07:14AM -0400, Joe wrote:
> I am and I do.  I've played real drums for 12 years and got into
> electronics only recently.  In fact, I'm using the MD (and drums)
> with a friend of mine who's using a guitar looping pedal (with his
> guitar) as well.  We have a *really* hard time getting the pedal and
> the MD to sync up for more than one or two measures.  I think the
> Red Sound device you suggested might help this situation a lot
> (and we don't make drastic tempo changes, so that's no big deal).
> So I'll have to check that out sometime.

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:10:52AM -0700, Sr. Minimo wrote:
>    Yeah, but adding a Machine Drum and manipulating
>    guitar loops isn't.

That's not what you said.  You said that no musician in the classical
sense would *use* a MachineDrum.  Period. End of statement.  You made no
mention of using the MD *within the context* of music in the classical
sense.  So I agree with your statement above; but I respectfully
disagree with your prior statement, which is a completely different
thing altogether.

Joe

On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:15:30PM -0400, Chris Thomas wrote:
>    I don't really think the microsync will help you in this situation. It
>    needs a distinguishable rhythm as input for it's beat detection. Since
>    I'm  guessing  the  pedal has no midi (otherwise problem solved..) you
>    would  have  to  split  the pedal's output off and into the microsync,
>    which would then go wtf are you sending me.. and _maybe_ you would get
>    it to send midi clock/sync to the MD, but I doubt it.
>    I,  however,  use the microsync with my dj mixer, and I can mix the MD
>    with records just fine.. microsync rocks :)
>    -Chris

Chris,
I see your point.  And I thought the exact same thing.  I was thinking
that the microsync *might* work when using a line out of the guitar
phrase sampler with a guitar phrase being played through it.  And I
thought that if that didn't work, it might be possible to use the phrase
sampler's built-in metronome to generate MIDI tempo (via the microsync);
then once the two devices are locked in sync, use the guitar pedal (with
quantizing) as normal.

It very well might not work; but it's an idea.  It's a bit better than
spending $350-ish on a Lexicon Jamman or $800-900 on a Gibson Echoplex.
Which are the only two phrase samplers I know of that can sync to MIDI
tempo.

Joe