Elektron Musical Instruments

>Message: 21
>   Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:39:00 -0400
>   From: Mike Demallie <Mike.Demallie@...>
>Subject: RE: elecktron
>
>
>sorry, i didn't mean to say something bad about your precious sid station. i
>guess since no one else has had the experience i have, i should just keep my
>mouth shut.
>
>go ahead and buy the sid station. buy 20 of them. they are perfect.
>
>i stand corrected. thanks.


Mike..........

after reading all of the comments about the reliability/unreliability of 
the/your sidstation..........I've come to the conclusion that your 
machine MUST be have faulty hardware as it seemed not to want to work 
from (close to) day one.

I suggest you you exchange it for a new one from where you bought it 
(that is if it wasn't a used item.)

Otherwise if you are really pissed off with it you can always return it - 
right!

As for me ,when I received my upgrade to os.1 chips the pins on both of 
the chips were bent to buggery.

I thought F-ing great, but after I straigtened and installed them, 
luckily they
worked,although I haven't tried to flash my rom yet as I've been waiting 
for
a mac rom flasher from Electron.which I now see is available.

So Mike 

Please have another crack at getting a working sidstation........you 
won't regret it in the long run......

ION.................

END of LINE...... .. . 

P.S. Sidtation is analogue. Anologue synths give the purist sound over 
digital
that's for sure mate!

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, machine wrote:

> P.S. Sidtation is analogue. Anologue synths give the purist sound over 
> digital
> that's for sure mate!
> 
Sorry to dissapoint you, but the SID chip is a digital synthesizer, with
an analogue filter...
It's only virtually analogue.

Cheers,
Andreas

i'm not giving up on the sid. i'm trying to use this
as a learning experience. these are electronics and
shit goes wrong. the sid is not like a drum set where
i can just look at it and duhhhh the snare head is
broken that why it don't work. i just have to grow up
and calm down. i'm not giving up on independent manufacturers
either. although my e-tribe is super reliable, i'm no where near
as attached to it as i am the sid. there's a lot to be
said for personality, which the sid has tons of.

when i get it back up and running i'm going to make a song
called "passive aggresive blues" and the b-side will be
"kids with sids"

> Mike..........
> 
> after reading all of the comments about the reli
ability/unreliability of 
> the/your sidstation..........I've come to the conclusion that your 
> machine MUST be have faulty hardware as it seemed not to want to
work 
> from (close to) day one.
> 
> I suggest you you exchange it for a new one from where you bought
it 
> (that is if it wasn't a used item.)
> 
> Otherwise if you are really pissed off with it you can always
return it - 
> right!
> 
> As for me ,when I received my upgrade to os.1 chips the pins on
both of 
> the chips were bent to buggery.
> 
> I thought F-ing great, but after I straigtened and installed them, 
> luckily they
> worked,although I haven't tried to flash my rom yet as I've been
waiting 
> for
> a mac rom flasher from Electron.which I now see is available.
> 
> So Mike 
> 
> Please have another crack at getting a working s
idstation........you 
> won't regret it in the long run......
> 
> ION.................
> 
> END of LINE...... .. . 
> 
> P.S. Sidtation is analogue. Anologue synths give the purist sound
over 
> digital
> that's for sure mate!

> > P.S. Sidtation is analogue. Anologue synths give the purist sound over
> > digital that's for sure mate!
> > 
> Sorry to dissapoint you, but the SID chip is a digital synthesizer, with
> an analogue filter...
> It's only virtually analogue.

Sure it's digital, but the SID output frequency rate is in the Megahertz
range, something no va/digital synth can even come close to.  Many synths
can accumulate phases that quickly, but they employ digital filters to
reduce the output frequency to 44.1KHz.

And even though people will tell you you can't hear frequencies so
high, and the sampling theorems/dsp algorithms are sound, just try sampling
a 20KHz sine wave at 44.1KHz, and check out the oscillating amplitude.

-N

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 shifty@... wrote:

> > > P.S. Sidtation is analogue. Anologue synths give the purist sound over
> > > digital that's for sure mate!
> > > 
> > Sorry to dissapoint you, but the SID chip is a digital synthesizer, with
> > an analogue filter...
> > It's only virtually analogue.
> 
> Sure it's digital, but the SID output frequency rate is in the Megahertz
> range, something no va/digital synth can even come close to.  Many synths
> can accumulate phases that quickly, but they employ digital filters to
> reduce the output frequency to 44.1KHz.
> 
True.

> And even though people will tell you you can't hear frequencies so
> high, and the sampling theorems/dsp algorithms are sound, just try sampling
> a 20KHz sine wave at 44.1KHz, and check out the oscillating amplitude.
> 
You're completely right. I wish I had $1 for everytime I had to explain
this to somebody. Nobody seems to understand why SID emulation should be
done with 1MHz oversampling.

Cheers,
Andreas

> You're completely right. I wish I had $1 for everytime I had to explain
> this to somebody. Nobody seems to understand why SID emulation should be
> done with 1MHz oversampling.

Yeah, you can really hear the difference when ring mod effects are used and
also when the Mix waveform is used... I'd been a sidplay devotee for years
b4 I got my sidstation, and then I realized how much I'd been missing...

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 shifty@... wrote:

> > You're completely right. I wish I had $1 for everytime I had to explain
> > this to somebody. Nobody seems to understand why SID emulation should be
> > done with 1MHz oversampling.
> 
> Yeah, you can really hear the difference when ring mod effects are used and
> also when the Mix waveform is used... I'd been a sidplay devotee for years
> b4 I got my sidstation, and then I realized how much I'd been missing...
> 
Well, it's a lot better if you use reSID with the oversampling option,
that I added recently (and which is also availabe in SIDPLAY/Win), but of
course there's still a lot missing.

Cheers,
Andreas