Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi,

I was wondering if it was possible to create a kind of timing offset 
parameter within the current design? So you could program an clock 
offset per step (-64 to +64) as parameter lock to create every 
swing/groove/shuffle you want?
The MD for instance has the best possible features concerning 
dynamics - you can virtually do anything - but for timing you only 
have the current swing feature wich is very limited in the current 
design. I know a lot of people would like more timing freedom.

If the offset is impossible due to the current structure maybe you 
could emulate it by introducing an (amp) envelope start delay so the 
trigger is still in time but the sound starts later.

Ronald.

On Thu Oct 09 2003, Roonan <info@...> wrote:

> If the offset is impossible due to the current structure maybe you 
> could emulate it by introducing an (amp) envelope start delay so the 
> trigger is still in time but the sound starts later.

Hear hear! Excellent suggestion, which would take care of the lack of
separate swing tracks on the MD. The problem is... there are no free
parameter slots. That would mean another page with parameters (yay,
much more could be implemented here), but I think the MDs memory is
already filled up to the brim.

If someone killed Elvis there might be space for this... :(

/Janne

Who's haunting the MnM ?

> If someone killed Elvis there might be space for this... :(
> 
> /Janne

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Roonan" <info@r...> wrote:

> I was wondering if it was possible to create a kind of timing
> offset 
> parameter within the current design? So you could program an clock 
> offset per step (-64 to +64) as parameter lock to create every 
> swing/groove/shuffle you want?

No. There is a reason that the Mono and MD has so good timing, and 
one is that the time slots are tightly divided, and can not be 
freely set for each tone. And even if we could keep the timing we do 
not have the SRAM-memory for these kind of offsets anyway.

Daniel

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" 
<daniel@e...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Roonan" <info@r...> wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering if it was possible to create a kind of timing
> > offset  parameter within the current design? 
> 
> No. There is a reason that the Mono and MD has so good timing, and 
> one is that the time slots are tightly divided, and can not be 
> freely set for each tone. 

And what about the envelope delay option I mentioned? Has nothing to 
do with the timing structure but it can create same effect.

Ronald.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Roonan" <info@r...> wrote:

> > > I was wondering if it was possible to create a kind of timing
> > > offset  parameter within the current design? 
> > 
> > No. There is a reason that the Mono and MD has so good timing, 
and 
> > one is that the time slots are tightly divided, and can not be 
> > freely set for each tone. 
> 
> And what about the envelope delay option I mentioned? Has nothing 
to 
> do with the timing structure but it can create same effect.

And which parameter on the Amp-page would you exchange for it?

But I think in effect this would be the same thing as adding a 
timing parameter. Because after you add the amp-envelope delay you 
probably want to delay the filter and the lfo-trig as well. And then 
you don't want to cut off the end of the note currently playing, so 
you would need to delay everything that affects the note to be 
played (like locks etc), which is exactly the timing parameter that 
was first discussed adn that we would have a very hard time doing.

Daniel

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" 
<daniel@e...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Roonan" <info@r...> wrote:
> you don't want to cut off the end of the note currently playing, so 
> you would need to delay everything that affects the note to be 
> played (like locks etc), which is exactly the timing parameter that 
> was first discussed adn that we would have a very hard time doing.

Of course, you are right about that, didn't think of that.
Well, that's the reason you're a developer and I'm just a user ;-)

Thanx anyway for your time,
Ronald.

Can't you do this already (amp delay) with the delay machine?  
I can't remember how much fine control you have over the timing of the
delay EFX (I'm not by the MD).  

You could use parameter locks to alter the send and mix of a MD step to
the delay EFX machine, the only limiting thing would be that you only
have one delay EFX, so each track would have to share it.  But you could
in effect delay a single step by a small amount (no feedback, 100% wet
delay mix).

Just thinking out loud.
ripe

-----Original Message-----
From: Roonan [mailto:info@...] 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:55 AM
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [elektron] Re: [Daniel] Timing offset for MM and MD


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" 
<daniel@e...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Roonan" <info@r...> wrote: you

> don't want to cut off the end of the note currently playing, so you 
> would need to delay everything that affects the note to be played 
> (like locks etc), which is exactly the timing parameter that was first

> discussed adn that we would have a very hard time doing.

Of course, you are right about that, didn't think of that. Well, that's
the reason you're a developer and I'm just a user ;-)

Thanx anyway for your time,
Ronald.



 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "John Kimble" <ripe-
list7147@m...> wrote:
> You could use parameter locks to alter the send and mix of a MD 
step to
> the delay EFX machine, the only limiting thing would be that you 
only
> have one delay EFX, so each track would have to share it.  

Yes, I thought about that too.
Only you can't mute the Dry sound, or can you?

Ronald.