Elektron Musical Instruments

M-.-n wrote:
> tabletop MnM...

I knew it! Now where's that shipload of money?

:-)

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

In my pocket :)

> I knew it! Now where's that shipload of money?
> 
> :-)

M-.-n wrote:
> In my pocket :)
>
>> I knew it! Now where's that shipload of money?
>>

Cool! I'm going to stick with listening to the demo's for a while - I chose
for the Electribe SX (which will be here soon...)

:-)

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

Looks really cool, just like MD!
Thought, I have to say that if you have the money, go for the 
keyboard version. It really is very fast and inspiring to hit 
melodies with it. I like it so much that it has become my main 
sequencer, where I lay down stuff with internal synths or use the 
Midi-side of it with a kontakt sampler. My roland midikeyboard now 
sits in the corner gathering dust..

Toni.

ps. I wonder if it can record midi notes via midi-in port..

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gert van Santen" 
<g.vansanten@c...> wrote:
> M-.-n wrote:
> > In my pocket :)
> >
> >> I knew it! Now where's that shipload of money?
> >>
> 
> Cool! I'm going to stick with listening to the demo's for a while - 
I chose

> for the Electribe SX (which will be here soon...)
> 
> :-)
> 
> Gert
> www.waveworld.tv

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> Looks really cool, just like MD!

I don't know what to think of the price difference.
600,- euro's just for a keyboard, joystick and internal powersupply?
Isn't that a bit too much?
At first I thought of selling this one when a module came out to 
save space and weight for my live set. Now, like others, I've become 
very happy with the keyboard and joystick since they really make it 
better. But at this pricing I don't think a lot of people will go 
for the keyboard version since most of us already own one. (or two, 
or ##)

Ronald.

Well, for those of us who are early in, that keyboard cost us a tiny  
amount...  Not too bad at all.  ;-]

However, it's good to know that a tabletop is available.

On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 06:37 AM, Roonan wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002"
> <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
>> Looks really cool, just like MD!
>
> I don't know what to think of the price difference.
> 600,- euro's just for a keyboard, joystick and internal powersupply?
> Isn't that a bit too much?
> At first I thought of selling this one when a module came out to
> save space and weight for my live set. Now, like others, I've become
> very happy with the keyboard and joystick since they really make it
> better. But at this pricing I don't think a lot of people will go
> for the keyboard version since most of us already own one. (or two,
> or ##)
>
> Ronald.
>
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 02:25:59PM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
>    Looks really cool, just like MD!

actually, it looks kind of weird now that I'm used to the keyboard
version :-)

>    Thought, I have to say that if you have the money, go for the
>    keyboard version. It really is very fast and inspiring to hit
>    melodies with it.

I can't agree more. the great thing about the keyboard version is that
creation is SOOOO instant. you don't have to fiddle with anything at
all. I've jammed with other musicians several times and I can easily
create a part, sequence it and play it back with no breaks. it's just so
much more live with a keyboard; and having it attached means you'll
never be without it.

however, I wouldn't mind having both :-)

>    ps. I wonder if it can record midi notes via midi-in port..

me too! I think I tried it once on the keyboard version; and if I
remember correctly, it worked just fine.

I wish they would give more info about the tabletop version, though.

Joe

On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 02:37:23PM -0000, Roonan wrote:
>    I don't know what to think of the price difference.
>    600,- euro's just for a keyboard, joystick and internal powersupply?
>    Isn't that a bit too much?

possibly; but I think you get a lot for the extra money. not just in
terms of actual items, but in the creativity it seems to inspire.

also, I don't know if the module version has multi-trig mode. there's
no button for it at least (though there could be a software switch for
it).

Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gert van Santen"
<g.vansanten@c...> wrote:
> M-.-n wrote:
> > In my pocket :)
> >
> >> I knew it! Now where's that shipload of money?
> >>
> 
> Cool! I'm going to stick with listening to the demo's for a while -
I chose
> for the Electribe SX (which will be here soon...)
> 
> :-)
> 
> Gert
> www.waveworld.tv

C'mon, don't compare E-SX with MM's. Perhaps for liveperformance, but
MM is a totally DSP-Synth, used for own sounds which will make there
mark inside the electronic music industry. Individual.
Save more money and go for it.
Stefan

privat_joy wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gert van Santen"
> <g.vansanten@c...> wrote:
>> M-.-n wrote:
>>> In my pocket :)
>>>
>>>> I knew it! Now where's that shipload of money?
>>>>
>>
>> Cool! I'm going to stick with listening to the demo's for a while -
> I chose
>> for the Electribe SX (which will be here soon...)
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Gert
>> www.waveworld.tv
>
> C'mon, don't compare E-SX with MM's. Perhaps for liveperformance, but
> MM is a totally DSP-Synth, used for own sounds which will make there
> mark inside the electronic music industry. Individual.
> Save more money and go for it.
> Stefan

I didn't compare them. I had to make a choice; I wanted both, but could
afford only one. I might go for a MnM later, though, if I've got some cash
to spend again.

cheers,

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

Le 15 déc. 2003, à 15:37, Roonan a écrit :

> I don't know what to think of the price difference.
> 600,- euro's just for a keyboard, joystick and internal powersupply?
> Isn't that a bit too much?

You can't imagine the part price of a keyboard, even a crappy one if 
you don't buy it by 10000 :-/
There's only one main keyboard maker now and part prices are made 
accordingly.

A good power supply cost money.

now 600 is a "bit" too much… there must be some building reasons behind 
that (more time consuming to make?)

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

It winds up to be around a $500 difference between the Access Virus C and
KC(with keyboard) so its not that obscene for the $600 difference in the
mono. But the keyboard on the KC is really really really nice, I dunno how
the mono's feels.

-andy

> From: "Don't t(h)read on my tentacles, Earthling!"
> <lepetitmartien@...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:12:42 +0100
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] they did it !
> 
> 
> Le 15 déc. 2003, à 15:37, Roonan a écrit :
> 
>> I don't know what to think of the price difference.
>> 600,- euro's just for a keyboard, joystick and internal powersupply?
>> Isn't that a bit too much?
> 
> You can't imagine the part price of a keyboard, even a crappy one if
> you don't buy it by 10000 :-/
> There's only one main keyboard maker now and part prices are made
> accordingly.
> 
> A good power supply cost money.
> 
> now 600 is a "bit" too muchŠ there must be some building reasons behind
> that (more time consuming to make?)
> 
> Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
> =======================================================
> M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
>

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Roonan" <info@r...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
> <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > Looks really cool, just like MD!
> 
> I don't know what to think of the price difference.
> 600,- euro's just for a keyboard, joystick and internal powersupply?
> Isn't that a bit too much?
> At first I thought of selling this one when a module came out to 
> save space and weight for my live set. Now, like others, I've become 
> very happy with the keyboard and joystick since they really make it 
> better. But at this pricing I don't think a lot of people will go 
> for the keyboard version since most of us already own one. (or two, 
> or ##)
> 
> Ronald.

True!!!
Totally agree. I love the keyboard and the joystick, but in a way, the
MonoMachine-Stick is a bit hard to carry. I like the design, and i die
for design, but would prever the form of G2 or Indigo for MM (Seq and
Knobs on top of Keyboard). Anyway, we do have the joice: sell
MM-Keyboard and order Desktop, or keep it. But the keys are very nice
in my opinion, and the lights on top are helpfull, specially live.
Looks like my Doepfer Schaltwerk.

Stefan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:

> >    ps. I wonder if it can record midi notes via midi-in port..
> 
> me too! I think I tried it once on the keyboard version; and if I
> remember correctly, it worked just fine.

Yes, you can record notes either on the MIDI channel assigned to the 
track, or the special "auto-channel", which follows the channel you 
select on the Mono-interface. This was made with the table-top in 
mind.

> I wish they would give more info about the tabletop version, 
though.

There are no secrets really. It's all the same, even running the 
exact same OS! Just missing eveything you see to the right on the 
keyboard.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, <epetitmartien@mac...> wrote:

> now 600 is a "bit" too much… there must be some building reasons 
> behind that (more time consuming to make?)

That is correct. The Mono-keyboard is actually very complicated to 
make, and we made many special solutions to cram everything in 
there. We didn't want to go away from the Machinedrum-size-standard, 
and it was hard to meet the high-voltage regulations in the little 
space we had. It makes the case quite expensive to make. And also, 
there is a reason you don't see that kind of wide array of LED's on 
many synths. Try to make a circuit board that wide without it 
breaking! :) There are many reasons for the Monomachine keyboard 
costing some money, but we really wanted to reach our vision with 
the way it looks, and the way it makes some kind of lego-feeling 
together with the MD! That, and that I always wanted a synth that 
will get attention on stage. :)

Daniel

> That is correct. The Mono-keyboard is actually very complicated to
> make, and we made many special solutions to cram everything in
> there. We didn't want to go away from the Machinedrum-size-standard,
> and it was hard to meet the high-voltage regulations in the little
> space we had. It makes the case quite expensive to make. And also,
> there is a reason you don't see that kind of wide array of LED's on
> many synths. Try to make a circuit board that wide without it
> breaking! :) There are many reasons for the Monomachine keyboard
> costing some money, but we really wanted to reach our vision with
> the way it looks, and the way it makes some kind of lego-feeling
> together with the MD! That, and that I always wanted a synth that
> will get attention on stage. :)
>

Daniel,

I for one appreciate this level of effort in products.  You've 
succeeded handily.

Cheers,

Damon

Le 15 déc. 2003, à 19:56, privat_joy a écrit :

> Looks like my Doepfer Schaltwerk.

mhmm what do you think of it? :) This thing facinates me.

Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
=======================================================
M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Well you succeeded, the mono with keyboard is the coolest looking synth I
have ever seen.

-andy

> From: daniel_elektron <daniel@...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:11:56 +0000
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] they did it !
> 

>There are many reasons for the Monomachine keyboard
> costing some money, but we really wanted to reach our vision with
> the way it looks, and the way it makes some kind of lego-feeling
> together with the MD! That, and that I always wanted a synth that
> will get attention on stage. :)
> 
> Daniel

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" <daniel@e...>
wrote:
> Yes, you can record notes either on the MIDI channel assigned to the 
> track, or the special "auto-channel", which follows the channel you 
> select on the Mono-interface. This was made with the table-top in 
> mind.

interesting.  so if one has the tabletop, they can assign their MIDI
keyboard to the auto-channel channel and then they don't have to
change the MIDI channel (on the keyboard) every time they want to
program a new MnM track? am I getting this right?

> There are no secrets really. It's all the same, even running the 
> exact same OS! Just missing eveything you see to the right on the 
> keyboard.

is there a multi-trig switch?

I must admit, by the way, that I was hoping the tabletop version would
include a joystick so that really the only difference between the two
would be the keyboard. but those design decisions are yours to make,
so I won't question them :-)

then again, I guess one could substitute the keyboard for a Novation
Remote25, though; and that way they'd at least have the joystick (and
could add 8 endless rotary encoders so there's less page toggling in
the MnM's interface).

Joe.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" <daniel@e...>
wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> 
> > >    ps. I wonder if it can record midi notes via midi-in port..
> > 
> > me too! I think I tried it once on the keyboard version; and if I
> > remember correctly, it worked just fine.
> 
> Yes, you can record notes either on the MIDI channel assigned to the 
> track, or the special "auto-channel", which follows the channel you 
> select on the Mono-interface. This was made with the table-top in 
> mind.
> 
> > I wish they would give more info about the tabletop version, 
> though.
> 
> There are no secrets really. It's all the same, even running the 
> exact same OS! Just missing eveything you see to the right on the 
> keyboard.
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, <epetitmartien@mac...> wrote:
> 
> > now 600 is a "bit" too much… there must be some building reasons 
> > behind that (more time consuming to make?)
> 
> That is correct. The Mono-keyboard is actually very complicated to 
> make, and we made many special solutions to cram everything in 
> there. We didn't want to go away from the Machinedrum-size-standard, 
> and it was hard to meet the high-voltage regulations in the little 
> space we had. It makes the case quite expensive to make. And also, 
> there is a reason you don't see that kind of wide array of LED's on 
> many synths. Try to make a circuit board that wide without it 
> breaking! :) There are many reasons for the Monomachine keyboard 
> costing some money, but we really wanted to reach our vision with 
> the way it looks, and the way it makes some kind of lego-feeling 
> together with the MD! That, and that I always wanted a synth that 
> will get attention on stage. :)
> 
> Daniel

You broke my heart!
Love,
Stefan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Don't t(h)read on my
tentacles, Earthling!" <lepetitmartien@m...> wrote:
> 
> Le 15 déc. 2003, à 19:56, privat_joy a écrit :
> 
> > Looks like my Doepfer Schaltwerk.
> 
> mhmm what do you think of it? :) This thing facinates me.
> 
> Denis H]                                 lepetitmartien
> =======================================================
> M.I.C.                          http://www.macmusic.org

Mhm, sitting in front of it is more facinating !:))--°°..°°--
I got one of the first they was building, so red led's, but it so
clear and fun to programm it, to mute and punch in, this sequencer,
once it is yours, you will never give it away...
Stefan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:

> interesting.  so if one has the tabletop, they can assign their
> MIDI
> keyboard to the auto-channel channel and then they don't have to
> change the MIDI channel (on the keyboard) every time they want to
> program a new MnM track? am I getting this right?

Yes, exactly.

> > There are no secrets really. It's all the same, even running the 
> > exact same OS! Just missing eveything you see to the right on 
the 
> > keyboard.
> 
> is there a multi-trig switch?

The multi trig is on its own MIDI channel, so it's always accessible.

> I must admit, by the way, that I was hoping the tabletop version 
would
> include a joystick so that really the only difference between the 
two
> would be the keyboard. but those design decisions are yours to 
make,
> so I won't question them :-)

That would have been nice, but we didn't want the price to get any 
higher, and also thought it would be neat to have the same size 
between the MD and the tabletop Mono.

> then again, I guess one could substitute the keyboard for a 
> Novation Remote25, though; and that way they'd at least have the
> joystick (and could add 8 endless rotary encoders so there's less 
> page toggling in the MnM's interface).

...but it wouldn't look that nice! :)

Daniel

On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 08:11:56PM -0000, daniel_elektron wrote:

> And also, there is a reason you don't see that kind of wide array of
> LED's on many synths. Try to make a circuit board that wide without it
> breaking! :)

why you couldn't make it in multiple sections?

-- 
  Aaron J. Grier | "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | agrier@...
  "someday the industry will have throbbing frontal lobes and will be able
  to write provably correct software.  also, I want a pony." -- Zach Brown

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron J. Grier" 
<agrier@p...> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 08:11:56PM -0000, daniel_elektron wrote:
> 
> > And also, there is a reason you don't see that kind of wide 
array of
> > LED's on many synths. Try to make a circuit board that wide 
without it
> > breaking! :)
> 
> why you couldn't make it in multiple sections?

That's what we did. Still, it needs some special attention to get i 
soldered, and you get intermediate connectors (which leads on to the 
last PCB with the buttons to the far right)... Don't want to get 
into details, but we had some problems.

Daniel