Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi,

Intro speaks are from AnalogX Sayit program and some radio samples, 
everything other is made with Monomachine and Machinedrum only! I 
have trouble getting my kicks right and here it is little bit too 
loud (or is it?) I really don't know anymore.. But, please someone 
give it a listen and give some feedback!

http://www.pixelem.fi/muut/Roopelle/Robots.mp3

If mp3-link doesn't work then use this:
http://www.pixelem.fi/muut/Roopelle/Robots.zip

Toni.

wow-absolutely amazing!
Love your highenergy drumprogramming. 
Top notch!

best
Hans

> wow-absolutely amazing!
> Love your highenergy drumprogramming. 
> Top notch!
> 
> best
> Hans

I'm glad people like my drumprogramming. It's recorded straight from 
Md. Then possible compressor and eq on cubase track and nothing more.

Toni.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 10:39:50AM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
>    But, please someone
>    give it a listen and give some feedback!

I like what you have going and I think your drum-programming
is excellent.  But it gets on a bit too much for me.  That is,
it seems like it's basically one part going on throughout
with glitchy start/stop drums overtop.  The start/stop drums
(though programmed very well) get to be a bit much about
halfway through and I think this is due to the lack of changes
in the song parts.

But that's just my opinion :-)

BTW, did you do all of your drum programming in the MD pattern and
song modes or did you get some help from Cubase?

Joe.

> I like what you have going and I think your drum-programming
> is excellent.  But it gets on a bit too much for me.  That is,
> it seems like it's basically one part going on throughout
> with glitchy start/stop drums overtop.  The start/stop drums
> (though programmed very well) get to be a bit much about
> halfway through and I think this is due to the lack of changes
> in the song parts.

I totally agree. Just few patterns glued together in a couple of 
nights. I'm trying to get more changes in future productions.


> BTW, did you do all of your drum programming in the MD pattern and
> song modes or did you get some help from Cubase?

Beat is all done in MD, just recorded it to stereotrack ot cubase, 
maybe added eq and compressor (can't remember), that's all.

Toni.

Awesome....I really enjoyed it, very nice drums and groove.  I would 
have liked to sit in on the drum programming to help my own skills! :)

-scott



--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<tahvenaine@c...> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Intro speaks are from AnalogX Sayit program and some radio samples, 
> everything other is made with Monomachine and Machinedrum only! I 
> have trouble getting my kicks right and here it is little bit too 
> loud (or is it?) I really don't know anymore.. But, please someone 
> give it a listen and give some feedback!
> 
> http://www.pixelem.fi/muut/Roopelle/Robots.mp3
> 
> If mp3-link doesn't work then use this:
> http://www.pixelem.fi/muut/Roopelle/Robots.zip
> 
> Toni.

On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 09:30:43AM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
>    Beat is all done in MD, just recorded it to stereotrack ot cubase,
>    maybe added eq and compressor (can't remember), that's all.

this makes the programming even more amazing, considering the fine-detail
within that song and the interface given.  that is, the MD is wonderful
for pattern programming, but making things evolve over time and having
minute changes within the song sequencer is very time-consuming to
program. well done!

Joe.

I think it's a very interesting point you've made there about the MD 
being a great programmer but a poor arranger/editor (see original 
message below).  I agree with you that the MD is not so conducive 
to "long-term" pattern evolution.  This is what my friends always point 
out first when they test drive the MD.  They feel like it's hard to visualize 
a song over longer time periods while editing at the same time.  What 
they are used to doing is having their sequencer loop over 4, 8 or 16 
bars on the computer, and simultaneously edit single bars within that 
long loop.  With a computer it's possible to have 16 bars of information 
looping in front of you while you edit it at the same time.  However, if 
you want 16 bars (or 4, or 8) looping on the MD you must be in song 
mode.  And when in song mode, you can only edit the pattern that is 
currently playing and then it rolls the focus to the next pattern.  (As 
opposed to editing just one pattern within the 16 bar loop and hearing it 
when the song position locator passes by.)  I wonder if other people 
have found creative ways of working around this.

I think this issue has a profound effect on the type of music we hear 
coming out of the MD and the MnM.  Most of the demo tracks on this list 
tend to be quite "loopy" with a simplistic song development based on 
mutes: Dropping tracks in and out in 2/4/8 bar chunks.  This is the 
traditional "techno" style of arrangement.  That's why people were so 
impressed with tahvenaine2002 's demo track.  The drum programming 
is bar-by-bar, each bar is unique but flows into the next bar logically.  
This is the kind of detailed drumandbass programming that Joe pointed 
out is more difficult to do on the MD because of it's "short-range" vision.

One thing I thought of is perhaps working in pattern mode and using a 
computer sequencer to trig patterns.  Then you could setup a loop of 
say 4 bars (or more) on the computer which triggers 4 different 
patterns on the MD.  Then you just fiddle with each individual pattern on 
the MD while it's being trigged by the sequencer.  Does that work?  I 
guess I'll try it tonight.

If you have any other ideas or interesting working styles on the MD 
please let us all know (esp. tahvenaine2002)!

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 09:30:43AM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
> >    Beat is all done in MD, just recorded it to stereotrack ot cubase,
> >    maybe added eq and compressor (can't remember), that's all.
> 
> this makes the programming even more amazing, considering the 
fine-detail
> within that song and the interface given.  that is, the MD is wonderful
> for pattern programming, but making things evolve over time and 
having

> minute changes within the song sequencer is very time-consuming to
> program. well done!
> 
> Joe.

> If you have any other ideas or interesting working styles on the MD 
> please let us all know (esp. tahvenaine2002)!

Well there aren't any secrects in my working style. I usually do the 
beats first (that's why my music tends to be very beat orientated). I 
don't like to sit in front of computer doing editing like I was 
working in some office, sitting tight and stuff like that. Instead I 
usually get myself a coke, sit down to my sofa (is this english?) and 
start doing beats for an hour or two. I'll do my kit first. Loop it 
around with one pattern and trying to adjust everything right. When I 
have got it right (haven't seen that day yet :( ), I'll clear the 
pattern and start doing it from fresh point. I then might do couple 
of patterns. Take the best of them, copy it to another slot and do 
some tweaks with hihats or snare and stuff like that. I'll do this 
again and again until I have something like 8-16 patterns. I might 
chain them in pattern mode and try something from MnM with it. Then 
I'll start doing sequencing in song mode. I just like editing 
offset's and stuff with that big 'knob' on the Md, it's a petty that 
MnM doesn't have that.
It's just my working style. Doesn't fit for all. Allthought I think 
it's totally different feeling in listening your drums and then 
editing them than just 'drawing' them with mouse on computer. I mean 
the visuals keep distracting me. I also don't like the way how every 
Eq-plug-in has a visuals of the curve. My eyes just takes over too 
easy. Well, just my cents...

Toni.

Yes, I agree with Toni, I like sitting with the MD and working on a 
kit then get some grooves going and such.  I work on a computer for 
alot of the day and enjoy getting away from it and onto the MD and 
MM.  Although I usually have a Pepsi instead of a Coke.. :)
-Scott


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > If you have any other ideas or interesting working styles on the 
MD 
> > please let us all know (esp. tahvenaine2002)!
> 
> Well there aren't any secrects in my working style. I usually do 
the 
> beats first (that's why my music tends to be very beat orientated). 
I 
> don't like to sit in front of computer doing editing like I was 
> working in some office, sitting tight and stuff like that. Instead 
I 
> usually get myself a coke, sit down to my sofa (is this english?) 
and 
> start doing beats for an hour or two. I'll do my kit first. Loop it 
> around with one pattern and trying to adjust everything right. When 
I 
> have got it right (haven't seen that day yet :( ), I'll clear the 
> pattern and start doing it from fresh point. I then might do couple 
> of patterns. Take the best of them, copy it to another slot and do 
> some tweaks with hihats or snare and stuff like that. I'll do this 
> again and again until I have something like 8-16 patterns. I might 
> chain them in pattern mode and try something from MnM with it. Then 
> I'll start doing sequencing in song mode. I just like editing 
> offset's and stuff with that big 'knob' on the Md, it's a petty 
that 
> MnM doesn't have that.
> It's just my working style. Doesn't fit for all. Allthought I think 
> it's totally different feeling in listening your drums and then 
> editing them than just 'drawing' them with mouse on computer. I 
mean 
> the visuals keep distracting me. I also don't like the way how 
every 

> Eq-plug-in has a visuals of the curve. My eyes just takes over too 
> easy. Well, just my cents...
> 
> Toni.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 02:46:26PM -0000, tahvenaine2002 wrote:
>    I'll do this
>    again and again until I have something like 8-16 patterns.

is this how you programmed those stop-and-start type of parts? or was
that some fine-detail song-mode programming? in other words, do you do
much with song mode (other than just specifiying a pattern order) in
dealing with offsets, length, BPM changes, etc.? or do you just specify
the ordering and number of repeats and leave the fine detail to the
patterns?

Joe.

> is this how you programmed those stop-and-start type of parts? or 
was
> that some fine-detail song-mode programming? 

I can't remember what I exatcly did on this piece, but I normally 
don't think of it very much. I have some ideas in patterns and some 
of them I do when putting things together. I do use offset's and like 
them. I've also tried to do things with bpm, but haven't found good 
way to use it creatively. I normaly do something in one evening and 
then listen it again in the morning and kind of verifying that it 
makes any sense (this is done usually in song mode). I usually get 
ideas like 'start-and-stop-stuff' while verifying and listening 
what 'doesn't work right'. Then I correct it or make up something 
different there. I also play with patterns a lot (chaining them 
together and playing various material on top of it). 

Toni.