Elektron Musical Instruments

Looks great that Machine-Drum!
I just wonder if there is any space for innovations left with
drum-machines
or whatever it will be.

But If somebody does something like a Sidstation, the next step can\ufffdt
be something "usual" I think.
Oh, what a mistery. Tell us more, tell us more!

Splank!

here's a cool drum machine my friend is making:

http://www.gweep.net/~prefect/eng/tr-6006/

-N

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, splank! wrote:

> Looks great that Machine-Drum!
> I just wonder if there is any space for innovations left with
> drum-machines or whatever it will be.

The sound of course! :) All music are using the same sounds from the same
drum machines all the time. Look at how many new synthesizers have been
produced with new ideas for basses and pads. But what about percussion?
The 808/909 are still held highest in regards. The Machinedrum is a
synthesizer dedicated for drum synthesis. And you SidStation users know
that we would never settle with some x0x-emulator. The Machinedrum make
drumsounds in new ways. All under user control.

 //Daniel

Please give it that elektron character...and at least 2 seperate 
outs.....and please...some cool filters....plenty of resonance  ...... 
please no cabasa or 808 rimshot!unless it can be  made to sound totally 
different.....maybe a tables kind of weird function of somekind ;)
not sure about built in fx unless they can be controlled on each step etc or 
are different...maybe each drum step could control certain parameter values 
...like an analogue sequencer or something....

I'm sure you have something up your sleeve elektron...any info on a release 
date....etc?

Cheers matt


>From: Daniel Hansson <daniel@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@egroups.com
>To: elektron-users@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum
>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:30:55 +0200 (CEST)
>
>On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, splank! wrote:
>
> > Looks great that Machine-Drum!
> > I just wonder if there is any space for innovations left with
> > drum-machines or whatever it will be.
>
>The sound of course! :) All music are using the same sounds from the same
>drum machines all the time. Look at how many new synthesizers have been
>produced with new ideas for basses and pads. But what about percussion?
>The 808/909 are still held highest in regards. The Machinedrum is a
>synthesizer dedicated for drum synthesis. And you SidStation users know
>that we would never settle with some x0x-emulator. The Machinedrum make
>drumsounds in new ways. All under user control.
>
>  //Daniel
>

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Hi,

> Please give it that elektron character...

Yes!!!!!

> and at least 2 seperate outs

2??? I want at least 4!!!! :-)

> .....and please...some cool filters....plenty of resonance  ......

Yes yes yes.... give it to me baby. :-)

> please no cabasa or 808 rimshot!

Hey, if you don't want them, then give them to me... add Sergio Mendez into the
modeling as well while you're doing that. :-)

Cheers,
Joeri

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Joeri Vankeirsbilck wrote:

[...]
> > and at least 2 seperate outs
> 
> 2??? I want at least 4!!!! :-)

Look at the mockup at http://www.machinedrum.com/ again.  I see six outs
and two INPUTS.

I like this.  :)

> > .....and please...some cool filters....plenty of resonance  ......
> 
> Yes yes yes.... give it to me baby. :-)

Me too!  What's funny, is that I will actually consider this on the basis
of Elektron's name alone.  That big potential LCD display in the center
looks promising... I wonder what the color of its backlight will be?  :)

> > please no cabasa or 808 rimshot!
> 
> Hey, if you don't want them, then give them to me... add Sergio Mendez into the
> modeling as well while you're doing that. :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Joeri

The more functionality it has, the merrier we will be.  ;)

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I'm wondering if it's analogue/rompler/sampler or a combination 
thereof?  Based on the SID chip?  

The multiple outputs + big screen + X0X grid look very promising 
indeed.

I want to hear some samples...

> > 2??? I want at least 4!!!! :-)
> Look at the mockup at http://www.machinedrum.com/ again.  I see six outs
> and two INPUTS.
> I like this.  :)

Me too... hmmm... that's an understatement: I LOVE this! :-)

> What's funny, is that I will actually consider this on the basis
> of Elektron's name alone.

You won't be the only one. They have a strong reputation when it comes to customer
and product support... and with the SidStation, they offered something original, so
the chance of this new machine being/sounding original as well, is biiiiig.

Tsch\ufffdss,
Joeri
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, John Potter wrote:

> I'm wondering if it's analogue/rompler/sampler or a combination 
> thereof? 

We live in the digital era! :) There is a massive amount of DSP power in
the Machinedrum (more than three times a Virus). But don't judge the sound
thereof. We want to show what is possible with some creative thinking when
it comes to DSP programming.

Each drum has a separate model (like a specially designed synthesizer),
and there are several different approaches to the modelling for different
groups of drums (three totally different bassdrums for instance) that each
have different parameters. Some are somewhat based on samples, but most
are not.

What has been important to us is to give all drums a dynamic feeling -
that is what I think is good with analogue drummachines. But not all are
based on ideas from analogue drummachines. There are many new ideas as
well.

> Based on the SID chip?  

No SID-chip in this one!

> The multiple outputs + big screen + X0X grid look very promising 
> indeed.

We've tried to use the best ideas from the classic drum machines, combined
with new approaches...

> I want to hear some samples...

They will come. :)

 //Daniel

>Me too!  What's funny, is that I will actually consider this on the basis
>of Elektron's name alone.  That big potential LCD display in the center
>looks promising... I wonder what the color of its backlight will be?  :)
>
I've already decided to buy it on that fact, and the fact that it's so
purty looking.

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Hi, 
New in this group and yet some questions for Daniël:
The S3 from Korg had some nice features, it combined 2 samples to 
create 1 sound. Would this be possible with your new Machinedrum. 
Have you also been thinking about formant-synthesis or other unusual 
ways to produce "drum"sounds. Old fm would also be nice. Maybee some 
metal, plastic or woodmodeling. If this thinking comes too late, it 
might be an idea for Machinedrum 2...

Kind regards from Mr -B- Tupperware

Hi,

(aha, do I see another Belgian on this list? ;-))))

> Have you also been thinking about formant-synthesis

Formant synthesis for drums!? :-))) Must sound wicked!!!!! GREAT idea! :-)

> Maybee some
> metal, plastic or woodmodeling.

My Technics WSA1r has stuff like this: it's indeed a nice idea, but
programming it is sometimes more trial and error than useful editing.

> If this thinking comes too late, it
> might be an idea for Machinedrum 2...

Or an OS update? It's digital, isn't it?

Ciao,
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--- In elektron-users@egroups.com, Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@b...> 
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> (aha, do I see another Belgian on this list? ;-))))
> 
> > Have you also been thinking about formant-synthesis
> 
> Formant synthesis for drums!? :-))) Must sound wicked!!!!! GREAT 
idea! :-)
> 
> > Maybee some
> > metal, plastic or woodmodeling.
> 
> My Technics WSA1r has stuff like this: it's indeed a nice idea, but
> programming it is sometimes more trial and error than useful 
editing.
> 
> > If this thinking comes too late, it
> > might be an idea for Machinedrum 2...
> 
> Or an OS update? It's digital, isn't it?
> 
> Ciao,
> Joeri
> --
> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> joeri@b...

The problem with the WSA1 is that its user-interface is not what it 
should be: OS an hardware have to go hand in hand, thats why I 
mentioned Machinedrum 2. I hope the people from Elektron will not 
make the same mistake: not every synthesis fits in every hardware 
user-interface (not enough knobs, screens not graphical enough).

By the way: where are you from, are you in music business and what 
about the sounddesign you did for Elektron (that is you, isn't it?!?)

Bye,
Mr -B- Tupperware

Another Machinedrum christmas-wish:

- please think of the fact that e.g. a MPC 2000 is so much fun
because of the rubber-pads.
So, if the 16 step-buttons are NOT hard-plastic would be very sexy.


Stay tuned
Splank!

And make it work on battery ! For those long train/bus trips ;)

>===== Original Message From "splank!" <splank@...> =====
>Another Machinedrum christmas-wish:
>
>- please think of the fact that e.g. a MPC 2000 is so much fun
>because of the rubber-pads.
>So, if the 16 step-buttons are NOT hard-plastic would be very sexy.
>
>
>Stay tuned
>Splank!
>
>

> And make it work on battery ! For those long train/bus trips ;)

definitly!

-N

Yow ppl.. How many sounds does the Machindrum provide? Can it be used as a 'Drumbank'-like gear.. you know,. connecting it to cakewalk, C#1 = drum D#1 = snare, etc?  I have heard many cool rithms made with it, but Im not convinced that this piece of gear is worth 1350 euro's. I'm especially looking for some good SNAP snares, and i'm unsatisfied with the demos i've heared. Please give me some more info.. and convince me that i'm wrong!
thanks
-Chris


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"Yow ppl.. How many sounds does the Machindrum provide? "
-more than you can handle, because the possibilitys of modification are
great.

"Can it be used as a 'Drumbank'-like gear.. you know,. connecting it to
cakewalk, C#1 = drum D#1 = snare, etc?"
-of course. You can also trigger whole patterns like a drumloop.

"I have heard many cool rithms made with it, but Im not convinced that this
piece of gear is worth 1350 euro's. "
-it is.

I'm especially looking for some good SNAP snares, and i'm unsatisfied with
the demos i've heared.
- with a little programming everything is possible.


Basically "programming" is not the right word, because it is more "playing".
The whole setup of the machine is very intuitive and it takes not much to
make it really groove.
I like especially that you can tune every Sound to the harmony of the song.
Well you can use samples for drums, but you will never have this kind of
harmonic connection between drums and music.


Flo