Elektron Musical Instruments

I've avoided doing this for several tracks, but at this point, i'm 
willing to dig deep enough into the MD.  I'm using cubase sx, if that 
aids with answering this question.  I'm recording performance data 
into cubase and sequencing that way, and i've decided to start 
recording knob data, which i had not done previously.  The way that 
I'm recording into Cubase is setting the output to the midi output 
that goes towards my MD, and setting the output channel to "any."  
The knob I'm spinning is the BD-1 FLTF parameter.  I'm trying to look 
into the manual to figure out which number of continuous performance 
data I should be bringing up in the controller lane in the Cubase key 
editor, but the manual, if I'm reading it correctly, indicates that 
the answer is in a hexidecimal form, whereas Cubase lists controllers 
in decimal, so I assume I'm looking at the wrong thing.  

Long question short, how do I bring up the continuous controller data 
in cubase that I record through a knob spin, so I can edit it?  I 
feel sort of embarassed to ask this, since it seems like such a 
simple thing (and one that I have no problem with on other pieces of 
gear), but I just can't figure it out, and can't find an applicable 
portion of the manual or thread in this forum.  Please help me out!

Thanks a lot!

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:09:09AM -0000, nephzil wrote:

> The knob I'm spinning is the BD-1 FLTF parameter. 

this won't send anything.  none of the machines transmit midi data, except, i imagine
the midi machines, but i haven't had cause to use those, yet.

if the MD sent its parameters as CC or NRPNs, that would just punish, but i suppose
you'll have to wait for another OS to facilitate that, if it's possible.

as for sending CCs back to the MD, you're in luck - the MD has a really impressive spec
in that regard.

i use digital performer, but i think the basics can be applied ot any sequencer, be it 
cubase, sonar, logic or whatever.  i would create a custom control console that would
remap the CC data generated by one of my other, knobbier synths, like a waldorf
microwave xkt to the relevant channels and CCs on the machinedrum.  the particulars may
differ, but the concept is the same - just use your sequencer (or midiox for windows, or midipipe,
if you're a mac user) to translate the incoming CC data.


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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, niall munnelly <aleph@a...> 
wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:09:09AM -0000, nephzil wrote:
> 
> > The knob I'm spinning is the BD-1 FLTF parameter. 
> 
> this won't send anything.  none of the machines transmit midi data, 
except, i imagine
> the midi machines, but i haven't had cause to use those, yet.

Maybe I made my issue sound more complicated than it was.  All I was 
talking about was hitting record in cubase as I spun the knobs, and 
just trying to track down the data in an "any channels" midi track.  
I managed to resolve it, fortunately.  I found a file in the files 
section of the yahoo page for this group, and it makes clear exactly 
how everything gets mapped out.  In Cubase (at least), if you send 
multiple performances with the same controller number, but different 
channel numbers, (for instance, FLTF on both 8CB and 16M4), it will 
overlap them in a way that looks like the two pieces of data are 
interfering with each other, but they're not.  You can, as far as I 
can tell, only edit the most recent channel you've recorded with, but 
if you dissolve the tracks, the controller data will be separated out 
in un-changed entirity to a separate midi track.  

Just thought I would be thorough with this answer , just in case 
anybody came up against the same issue in the future (the issue 
of "any channels" type tracks in Cubase is really poorly documented 
in the user manual), since it seems like this is something that would 
come up quite often in the average MD-user's life, if they use Cubase.

-=-
Lars

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 01:42:14AM -0000, nephzil wrote:

> Maybe I made my issue sound more complicated than it was.  All I was 
> talking about was hitting record in cubase as I spun the knobs, and 
> just trying to track down the data in an "any channels" midi track.  

right.  i don't know how you can do that, if your BD param tweaks don't send midi.
midi machines send midi data;  "drum" machines send nothing.

...unless i'm fantastically mistaken, here, and if so, i'm very sorry.  have you done this successfully?

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Thanks for the midipipe heads up.  I should have asked earlier.  Been
having trouble with the new os sending note data.  I talked to
elektron and he said use a program to check the note messages.  We
both didn't know of anything for mac.  Thanks again.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, niall munnelly <aleph@a...> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 01:42:14AM -0000, nephzil wrote:
> 
> > Maybe I made my issue sound more complicated than it was.  All I was 
> > talking about was hitting record in cubase as I spun the knobs, and 
> > just trying to track down the data in an "any channels" midi track.  
> 
> right.  i don't know how you can do that, if your BD param tweaks
don't send midi.
> midi machines send midi data;  "drum" machines send nothing.
> 
> ...unless i'm fantastically mistaken, here, and if so, i'm very
sorry.  have you done this successfully?
> 
> -- 
> yours,
> niall.
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     .
> aleph null.                             a simple insinuation around
silence.
> http://syncretism.net
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 09:27:16AM -0000, endlessnessisticman wrote:
> Thanks for the midipipe heads up.  I should have asked earlier.  Been
> having trouble with the new os sending note data.  I talked to
> elektron and he said use a program to check the note messages.  

better than midipipe for that would be midi monitor:

http://www.snoize.com/MIDIMonitor/

very handy app - i've used it to help tidy up inconsistencies in my editor/librarian
software.

-- 
yours,
niall.
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On Sep 14, 2004, at 9:59 PM, niall munnelly wrote:

>  right.  i don't know how you can do that, if your BD param tweaks 
> don't send midi.
>  midi machines send midi data;  "drum" machines send nothing.

yes they do.  check the back of the manual. it's something like this:

1) assume your channel span is 1-4
2) all trigs are transmitted on channel 1 (not necessary for this; but 
useful info)
3) tracks one through four (i.e. BD/SD/HT/MT) all transmit their MIDI 
data to
channel 1 when you turn the knobs; tracks 5-8 transmit to channel 2, 
etc.
4) the first track transmitting on each channel has its parameters 
mapped to
10 through 27 Hex, which is 16 through 39 decimal; second track is 
40-63;
third track is 72-95; fourth is 96-119

there's also a document in the files section displaying all this data 
exactly for
each machine (so that you don't have to do the math).  but usually if 
I'm doing
software control, I set my software to record and then just turn the 
knob(s) I
care about and make note of their numbers/channels (lazy man's approach 
:-)

also note that no parameter locks are transmitted from the internal 
sequencer.
so the above parameters are only sent when you change them in real time.

***Note for the very adventurous: people have complained in here before 
that
the MD EFX aren't controllable by the sequencer (for example, setting 
locks
for the delay feedback would be great fun!); but it's possible to 
sequence them
if one's software allows it - they can be controlled through individual 
Sysex
messages 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 10:00:52AM -0400, Joseph Melnyk wrote:

> 1) assume your channel span is 1-4
> 2) all trigs are transmitted on channel 1 (not necessary for this; but 
> useful info)
> 3) tracks one through four (i.e. BD/SD/HT/MT) all transmit their MIDI 
> data to
> channel 1 when you turn the knobs; tracks 5-8 transmit to channel 2, 
> etc.

well, i'll be damned.  i haven't been able to affect this at all (so i figured the swell pdf in the files dir was
for remote control of the MD).  i guess i'll keep at it.  thanks, joe, and all
apologies to nephzil and everyone else for pig-ignorance and added noise.

-- 
yours,
niall.
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base channel was changed to "--" (presumably from an os upgrade)

now i can tweak with the rest of you.  thanks for your patience =)

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niall.
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i want to use the sound in the machine drum but not
the patterns.. i want to leave the sequencing to my
logic/cubase .. but how to do that.. every time i try
it.. it keeps starting up the pattern.. and i just
want to use the sounds.. in this instance atleast (the
pattern and song editor are not that bad
(understatement))

anyone here got any tips?


		
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On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:06:48PM -0700, Ysbrand Otjes wrote:
>    anyone here got any tips?

if you're using OS1.19, then go to the global menu and set
MIDI->Program change to OFF and SYNC->CTRL IN to OFF

On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:20:43PM -0500, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:06:48PM -0700, Ysbrand Otjes wrote:
> >    anyone here got any tips?
> 
> if you're using OS1.19, then go to the global menu and set
> MIDI->Program change to OFF and SYNC->CTRL IN to OFF

and be sure to hit the right notes!

global -> MIDI -> map editor.  you'll see each machine and its corresponding note value
( 01 - BD - C2, etc).

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niall.
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Thank you both, great stuff.. ill try it and let you
know how it works out..

thnx again..

Y

> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:06:48PM -0700, Ysbrand
> Otjes wrote:
> > >    anyone here got any tips?

> On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:20:43PM -0500, Joe wrote:
> > if you're using OS1.19, then go to the global menu
> and set
> > MIDI->Program change to OFF and SYNC->CTRL IN to
> OFF

niall munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:
> and be sure to hit the right notes!
> 
> global -> MIDI -> map editor.  you'll see each
> machine and its corresponding note value
> ( 01 - BD - C2, etc).



		
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it worked.. thnx again.. but i am not running 1.19 im
running 1.12B.. is that bad??

greetz
Y


--- Ysbrand Otjes <y_the_ntt@...> wrote:

> Thank you both, great stuff.. ill try it and let you
> know how it works out..
> 
> thnx again..
> 
> Y
> 
> > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:06:48PM -0700,
> Ysbrand
> > Otjes wrote:
> > > >    anyone here got any tips?
> 
> > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:20:43PM -0500, Joe
> wrote:
> > > if you're using OS1.19, then go to the global
> menu
> > and set
> > > MIDI->Program change to OFF and SYNC->CTRL IN to
> > OFF
> 
> niall munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:
> > and be sure to hit the right notes!
> > 
> > global -> MIDI -> map editor.  you'll see each
> > machine and its corresponding note value
> > ( 01 - BD - C2, etc).
> 
> 
> 
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On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 02:04:17PM -0700, Ysbrand Otjes wrote:
> it worked.. thnx again.. but i am not running 1.19 im
> running 1.12B.. is that bad??

if you want to write your sequences in cubase or somesuch, i'm partial to 1.12.  you
can change drum kits with preset changes in that OS.

-- 
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niall.
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yes, 1.19 is improved very much .
bob says that too

-r-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ysbrand Otjes" <y_the_ntt@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [elektron] MD: howto use the sound but not let the patterns
play..

> it worked.. thnx again.. but i am not running 1.19 im
> running 1.12B.. is that bad??
>
> greetz
> Y
>
>
> --- Ysbrand Otjes <y_the_ntt@...> wrote:
>
> > Thank you both, great stuff.. ill try it and let you
> > know how it works out..
> >
> > thnx again..
> >
> > Y
> >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:06:48PM -0700,
> > Ysbrand
> > > Otjes wrote:
> > > > >    anyone here got any tips?
> >
> > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 07:20:43PM -0500, Joe
> > wrote:
> > > > if you're using OS1.19, then go to the global
> > menu
> > > and set
> > > > MIDI->Program change to OFF and SYNC->CTRL IN to
> > > OFF
> >
> > niall munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:
> > > and be sure to hit the right notes!
> > >
> > > global -> MIDI -> map editor.  you'll see each
> > > machine and its corresponding note value
> > > ( 01 - BD - C2, etc).
> >
> >
> >
> >
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