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Re: Send sample from Mac via midi dump with C6 soft

2009-02-02 by esynthesist

Sound great, this Sample Wrench software.
But am I right that it still costs between USD 99 and USD 149 ?
Or do you know of a free version which is not limited in saving and 
sending MIDI ?

(I was hoping that I could make a small program today which is able 
to send/receive samples to/from the Emax-1/2 through MIDI but 
programming MIDI seems to be a pain in the ***: almost no one on the 
internet seems to understand how to receive SYSEX messages with a C-
program and the rare example code out there is not really clear ;-). 
The Emax SYSEX protocol itself is rather simple though, so I am 
getting a little bit frustrated here due to the bad documentation 
provided by Microsoft...)

///E-Synthesist

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie.emma" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > sample wrench for the pc can take 16bit samples and when you 
choose
> the emax driver it sends it via sysex in pcm 12bit format 
> 
>  this program also sends to the emulator 3 and eos via scsi to
> ensoniqs and korg dss1 and dsm1 plus many other hard ware samplers
> 
> 
> > Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> > And it does. 
> > But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know 
if C6 
> > or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've 
done 
> > were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps 
> > with :-)
> > And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make 
> > software 
> > > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive 
complete .EM1 
> > > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II 
supports 
> > > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know 
about 
> > > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of 
these 
> > > days).
> > > 
> > > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation 
mode 
> > > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 
kBaud 
> > > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at 
this 
> > > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd 
rather 
> > > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is 
finished 
> > > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. 
But 
> > > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with 
full 
> > > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > > 
> > > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, 
but 
> > > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions 
(manually ?) 
> > > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what 
> > > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good 
flow 
> > in 
> > > the production process :-)
> > > 
> > > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most 
probably 
> > > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition 
and 
> > > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are 
OFF, 
> > > you'll not encounter any problem. 
> > > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning 
> > > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just 
> > translated 
> > > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning 
> > > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way 
that 
> > it 
> > > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON 
> > (Emax-
> > > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also 
translating 
> > > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II 
into 
> > > compressed format, like you did). 
> > > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it 
to 
> > > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice 
OFF 
> > > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving 
panning 
> > > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound 
> > > differences...
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between 
Mac/PC 
> > and 
> > > the
> > > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to 
make 
> > any
> > > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, 
and 
> > the
> > > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent 
studio
> > > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and 
lc475,630,g4.., 
> > > but
> > > > no more serial midi port).
> > > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from 
my 
> > G5 
> > > to
> > > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was 
> > wayting
> > > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i 
could 
> > made
> > > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long 
> > ago...
> > > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the 
Emax is
> > > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if 
EMXP 
> > > could
> > > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > > 
> > > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same 
bank 
> > > from
> > > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via 
> > compression
> > > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and 
compare 
> > > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning 
> > problem
> > > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound 
left 
> > and
> > > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made 
> > wrong a
> > > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > > 
> > > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 
> > samples
> > > > via midi dump ? 
> > > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits 
> > samples 
> > > and
> > > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because 
of the
> > > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via 
MIDI 
> > > sysex 
> > > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound 
Designer 
> > > for 
> > > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like 
> > this 
> > > but 
> > > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a 
piece of 
> > > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old 
Mac, 
> > and 
> > > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is 
done, 
> > > it's a 
> > > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac 
which 
> > is 
> > > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so 
I 
> > > assume 
> > > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support 
MIDI 
> > > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk 
> > based 
> > > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some 
delay 
> > on 
> > > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current 
> > > version 
> > > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> > > > > 
> > > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your 
> > opinion 
> > > > > about EMXP... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of 
chicken 
> > > systems. 
> > > > > I have been asking them 
> > > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they 
> > told 
> > > me 
> > > > > that by las October they 
> > > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good 
time 
> > > into 
> > > > > the emax compatibility 
> > > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac 
> > > software as 
> > > > > well just because the 
> > > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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