Emax

Hello,

I tried to send an Aiff file to my Emax II via C6 the freeware from
Elektron that permits to send Aiff, Wav and Sds files via midi dump.
At the end, the Emax II writes me "Sound transfer Finished", but it is
impossible to listen it...Why ?

Did someone used succesfully the C6 ?

Thanks for your help !

Hello,

It's working ! I had to create a preset in the EmaxII to manage the
dumped File from the Mac !

C6 is a great toy !



--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@...> wrote:

>
> Hello,
> 
> I tried to send an Aiff file to my Emax II via C6 the freeware from
> Elektron that permits to send Aiff, Wav and Sds files via midi dump.
> At the end, the Emax II writes me "Sound transfer Finished", but it is
> impossible to listen it...Why ?
> 
> Did someone used succesfully the C6 ?
> 
> Thanks for your help !
>

Does C6 also work with Emax I?
cheers, Alan

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@...> wrote:

>
> Hello,
> 
> It's working ! I had to create a preset in the EmaxII to manage the
> dumped File from the Mac !
> 
> C6 is a great toy !
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I tried to send an Aiff file to my Emax II via C6 the freeware from
> > Elektron that permits to send Aiff, Wav and Sds files via midi dump.
> > At the end, the Emax II writes me "Sound transfer Finished", but it is
> > impossible to listen it...Why ?
> > 
> > Did someone used succesfully the C6 ?
> > 
> > Thanks for your help !
> >
>

Hello Alan,

It seems to be :
I just qwickly tried to send the same sample to the Emax 1 after it  
had been OK with the EmaxII and I had the answer 'Not Enough free  
memory in the emax".
So it seems to be possible to send samples to the Emax1 (I did not  
tried again with a shorter sample or in an enpty bank :I was focusing  
on the EmaxII for this time).

But I now have two new questions :

The first one is for the Emax1 :
- do we have only to send 12 bits to the Emax 1, or is it able to  
receive and  convert 16 bits files or others (14 or 8 bits...)

The second question is for the Emax II :
- Would it be possible to send complete EM2 Banks rather than samples  
via midi dump ?
This would be great for "mac only" users that unfortunalty can't use  
the EMXP soft...and don't no more have SCSI on their mac.

Thanks in advance from a "mac only" user...


P.s.; midi dump soft C6 is free and avaible for both Mac and PC at  
the Electron support page ; http://www.elektron.se/support/






On Jan 25, 2009, at 11:44 AM, alancurrall wrote:

> Does C6 also work with Emax I?
> cheers, Alan
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > It's working ! I had to create a preset in the EmaxII to manage the
> > dumped File from the Mac !
> >
> > C6 is a great toy !
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I tried to send an Aiff file to my Emax II via C6 the freeware  
> from
> > > Elektron that permits to send Aiff, Wav and Sds files via midi  
> dump.
> > > At the end, the Emax II writes me "Sound transfer Finished",  
> but it is
> > > impossible to listen it...Why ?
> > >
> > > Did someone used succesfully the C6 ?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help !
> > >
> >
>
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would also be glad to hear of a way to convert all the EMXP files
I've downloaded using a Mac. Anyone out there know?

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, cruising <cruising@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Alan,
> 
> It seems to be :
> I just qwickly tried to send the same sample to the Emax 1 after it  
> had been OK with the EmaxII and I had the answer 'Not Enough free  
> memory in the emax".
> So it seems to be possible to send samples to the Emax1 (I did not  
> tried again with a shorter sample or in an enpty bank :I was focusing  
> on the EmaxII for this time).
> 
> But I now have two new questions :
> 
> The first one is for the Emax1 :
> - do we have only to send 12 bits to the Emax 1, or is it able to  
> receive and  convert 16 bits files or others (14 or 8 bits...)
> 
> The second question is for the Emax II :
> - Would it be possible to send complete EM2 Banks rather than samples  
> via midi dump ?
> This would be great for "mac only" users that unfortunalty can't use  
> the EMXP soft...and don't no more have SCSI on their mac.
> 
> Thanks in advance from a "mac only" user...
> 
> 
> P.s.; midi dump soft C6 is free and avaible for both Mac and PC at  
> the Electron support page ; http://www.elektron.se/support/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 25, 2009, at 11:44 AM, alancurrall wrote:
> 
> > Does C6 also work with Emax I?
> > cheers, Alan
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > It's working ! I had to create a preset in the EmaxII to manage the
> > > dumped File from the Mac !
> > >
> > > C6 is a great toy !
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I tried to send an Aiff file to my Emax II via C6 the freeware  
> > from
> > > > Elektron that permits to send Aiff, Wav and Sds files via midi  
> > dump.
> > > > At the end, the Emax II writes me "Sound transfer Finished",  
> > but it is
> > > > impossible to listen it...Why ?
> > > >
> > > > Did someone used succesfully the C6 ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your help !
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken systems. I have been asking them 
for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they told me that by las October they 
probably had something.

I believe that with preassure they can spend some good time into the emax compatibility 
because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac software as well just because the 
emax still amazing!!!

Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI sysex 
towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound Designer for 
Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like this but 
it only works for Emax-I.
Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of 
hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac, and 
which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done, it's a 
simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which is 
able to do exactly what you're asking for.
But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I assume 
their experiments are not successful :-)
As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support MIDI 
communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk based 
translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some delay on 
full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current version 
already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   

By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your opinion 
about EMXP... 

///E-Synthesist 

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@...> wrote:
>
> Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken systems. 
I have been asking them 
> for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they told me 
that by las October they 
> probably had something.
> 
> I believe that with preassure they can spend some good time into 
the emax compatibility 
> because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac software as 
well just because the 
> emax still amazing!!!
>

esynthesist wrote:

>Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of 
>hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac, and 
>which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done, it's a 
>simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which is 
>able to do exactly what you're asking for.
>But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I assume 
>their experiments are not successful :-)
>  
>
slowly slowly...... rome wasn't burnt in a day!
:-)

I made a list of the parts I needed through work, knowing an order was 
going out that week, but then the parts I wanted didn't get actually 
ordered from mouser for ages. And then just before xxxmas when I got the 
parts, my main computer with the dev environment I was using for the 
software blew up.

Anyway.... I have the RS422 driver and receiver ICs I need now, and the 
computer kind of working again.

Only problem now, is I have 2 gigs in the next 3 weeks..... and the 2nd 
one is looking like it might be pretty big, so need to be well rehearsed 
for it (and our laptop we use for gigs is also malfunctioning for audio 
right now.... waaaah!).

but I'm very sure I can get this device to work, when I have a chance. 
Next step is to make the serial port run at MIDI data rate of 31250 and 
after that, 250k synchronous.

I *should* be able to make it do this just with the standard windows 
serial port driver, as long as I have an app to send those baud rate 
commands to it. Otherwise I might have to take over standard serial port 
speeds...
:-)



anyway - please keep hassling me about this (maybe after the 15th feb) 
to make sure I get this done. I really want to dump samples with my emax 
too!!

Similar story for me. 

I was living in Taiwan for most of the second half of 2008, during 
which time I no access to my Emax II samplers. Since I got back to 
Australia I have been slaving over a hot soldering iron to repair 
some critical studio equipment that had broken down and was holding 
up several projects. Now that is done so I can get back to the Emax 
II. I was also waiting on the UARTs which were back ordered and only 
arrived last week. 

While in Taiwan I was not idle. I searched around and tried out 
various USB-RS232 and USB-RS422 interfaces. Most had problems with 
drivers or supported baud rates and eventually I ended up with a 
multiport PCI-RS232 card. I have that installed on my desktop PC here 
and it seems to be working fine for the PC end.

I also did some research into the hardware on the Macintosh computers 
that were contemporary to the Emax. I can see now that the choices 
made by Emu in designing their interface hardware are fairly specific 
to the requirements of the Mac. But at least now I know what to 
implement for the Emax II-Mac RS422 emulation :)

The weather here will be over 40 degrees Celsius for the next few 
days so I think I will wire wrap the prototype. I am not sure how 
much time I will have to write the firmware as I have to go back to 
Taiwan next week. But if I can get a working prototype going then I 
can make a proper board and we can take it from there. 

When I am back in Taiwan I plan to visit some of the better USB-RS422 
interface makers and see if it is possible make one of their 
interfaces work in synchronous mode. 

/Tristan 


--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, mr julian <jujulilianan@...> wrote:
>
> 
> esynthesist wrote:
> 
> >Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of 
> >hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac, and 
> >which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done, it's 
a 
> >simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which is 
> >able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> >But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I 
assume 
> >their experiments are not successful :-)
> >  
> >
> slowly slowly...... rome wasn't burnt in a day!
> :-)
> 
> I made a list of the parts I needed through work, knowing an order 
was 
> going out that week, but then the parts I wanted didn't get 
actually 
> ordered from mouser for ages. And then just before xxxmas when I 
got the 
> parts, my main computer with the dev environment I was using for 
the 
> software blew up.
> 
> Anyway.... I have the RS422 driver and receiver ICs I need now, and 
the 
> computer kind of working again.
> 
> Only problem now, is I have 2 gigs in the next 3 weeks..... and the 
2nd 
> one is looking like it might be pretty big, so need to be well 
rehearsed 
> for it (and our laptop we use for gigs is also malfunctioning for 
audio 
> right now.... waaaah!).
> 
> but I'm very sure I can get this device to work, when I have a 
chance. 
> Next step is to make the serial port run at MIDI data rate of 31250 
and 
> after that, 250k synchronous.
> 
> I *should* be able to make it do this just with the standard 
windows 
> serial port driver, as long as I have an app to send those baud 
rate 
> commands to it. Otherwise I might have to take over standard serial 
port 
> speeds...
> :-)
> 
> 
> 
> anyway - please keep hassling me about this (maybe after the 15th 
feb) 
> to make sure I get this done. I really want to dump samples with my 
emax 
> too!!
>

It is not easier to have a internal 1GB flash card drive connected to the scsi port and transfer 
via scsi (zip or another flash drive) all your samples from a usb flash drive from your 
computer?

I mean, you can place everything on one single crad and transfer it way faster rather than 
using the RS422 adapters.

That is what I would do as soon I guet my flash drives to my place.

> It is not easier to have a internal 1GB flash card drive connected to the
> scsi port and transfer 
> via scsi (zip or another flash drive) all your samples from a usb flash
> drive from your 
> computer?
> 
thats one way to do it if you have SCSI.. many emaxes do not.
:-)

> I mean, you can place everything on one single crad and transfer it way
> faster rather than 
> using the RS422 adapters.
> 
I doubt it - you have to save the data to a disk, transfer the disk from
drive to drive, and then read.

with a fully working serial transfer system you can just blast samples
straight into the emax from your computer, audition them, edit them,
resend them, it'll be excellent! if there was a way to actually edit
emax parameters remotely, it'd open up the door for some great and
simple PC connected emax workflow.

> That is what I would do as soon I guet my flash drives to my place. 
>
I'm finding it really hard to pull the trigger on a SCSI flash drive now
that they all go for US$150 each... will eventually, but owch.... the
scsi upgrade kit I just installed only cost $50! and I'm unsure if my
emax is even worth $150 even with the SCSI upgrade I did.
 
-- 
http://bleepin.com

-- 
http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail...

Keep looking in second hand computer shops and on ebay.

I got mine second hand for $5 at a computer recycle / reuse store - a  
MicroTech SCSI-DPAI

Regards,
Ted

On Jan 27, 2009, at 7:32 PM, Julian wrote:


 > It is not easier to have a internal 1GB flash card drive connected  
to the
 > scsi port and transfer
 > via scsi (zip or another flash drive) all your samples from a usb  
flash
 > drive from your
 > computer?
 >
thats one way to do it if you have SCSI.. many emaxes do not.
:-)

 > I mean, you can place everything on one single crad and transfer it  
way
 > faster rather than
 > using the RS422 adapters.
 >
I doubt it - you have to save the data to a disk, transfer the disk from
drive to drive, and then read.

with a fully working serial transfer system you can just blast samples
straight into the emax from your computer, audition them, edit them,
resend them, it'll be excellent! if there was a way to actually edit
emax parameters remotely, it'd open up the door for some great and
simple PC connected emax workflow.

 > That is what I would do as soon I guet my flash drives to my place.
 >
I'm finding it really hard to pull the trigger on a SCSI flash drive now
that they all go for US$150 each... will eventually, but owch.... the
scsi upgrade kit I just installed only cost $50! and I'm unsure if my
emax is even worth $150 even with the SCSI upgrade I did.

-- 
http://bleepin.com

-- 
http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail...






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Hello esynthesist,

Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between Mac/PC and the
emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to make any
evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, and the
old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent studio
working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and lc475,630,g4.., but
no more serial midi port).
The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from my G5 to
the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was wayting
for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i could made
was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long ago...
And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the Emax is
really not easy with a 2 lines display...
So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if EMXP could
be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...

I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same bank from
the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via compression
and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and compare 
results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning problem
when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound left and
15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made wrong a
step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?

Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 samples
via midi dump ? 
Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits samples and
the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because of the
format, or the sds implementation ?

Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)






--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:

>
> Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI sysex 
> towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound Designer for 
> Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like this but 
> it only works for Emax-I.
> Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of 
> hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac, and 
> which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done, it's a 
> simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which is 
> able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I assume 
> their experiments are not successful :-)
> As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support MIDI 
> communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk based 
> translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some delay on 
> full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current version 
> already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> 
> By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your opinion 
> about EMXP... 
> 
> ///E-Synthesist 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> >
> > Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken systems. 
> I have been asking them 
> > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they told me 
> that by las October they 
> > probably had something.
> > 
> > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good time into 
> the emax compatibility 
> > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac software as 
> well just because the 
> > emax still amazing!!!
> >
>

> I'm finding it really hard to pull the trigger on a SCSI flash drive now
> that they all go for US$150 each... will eventually, but owch.... the
> scsi upgrade kit I just installed only cost $50! and I'm unsure if my
> emax is even worth $150 even with the SCSI upgrade I did.
> 

Man we can not go over street value, I am in Venezuela, my Emax II was $175 + $80 to the 
courrier and it cost me about $500 to bring it here to Caracas, then I bought 2 flash drives 
scsi interfaces for $400. But that is the cost of playing with vintage equipment. 

If I was that concerned aboput the value of things I would be using the software sampler I 
have in my hacked copy of Logic Pro and get a MOTU or Digidesing i/O and that is it. But is 
more fun playing with the keyboard and actually to make it work. 

By teh way, there are cheap SCSI to flash drives adapters but I can not make the trial because 
it will cost me $500 to do so and I am not that excentric.

If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make software 
which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive complete .EM1 
banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II supports 
SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know about 
the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of these 
days).

Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation mode 
will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 kBaud 
lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at this 
point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd rather 
wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is finished 
(see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. But 
once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with full 
(slow) MIDI SDS also.

Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, but 
then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions (manually ?) 
for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what 
musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good flow in 
the production process :-)

Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most probably 
caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition and 
the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are OFF, 
you'll not encounter any problem. 
But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning 
problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just translated 
my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning 
problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way that it 
doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON (Emax-
II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also translating 
these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II into 
compressed format, like you did). 
Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it to 
compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice OFF 
after loading it on an Emax-I.
But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving panning 
problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound 
differences...

///E-Synthesist

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@...> wrote:
>
> Hello esynthesist,
> 
> Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between Mac/PC and 
the
> emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to make any
> evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, and the
> old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent studio
> working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and lc475,630,g4.., 
but
> no more serial midi port).
> The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from my G5 
to
> the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was wayting
> for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i could made
> was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long ago...
> And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the Emax is
> really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if EMXP 
could
> be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> 
> I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same bank 
from
> the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via compression
> and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and compare 
> results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning problem
> when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound left and
> 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made wrong a
> step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> 
> Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 samples
> via midi dump ? 
> Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits samples 
and
> the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because of the
> format, or the sds implementation ?
> 
> Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> >
> > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI 
sysex 
> > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound Designer 
for 
> > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like this 
but 
> > it only works for Emax-I.
> > Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of 
> > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac, and 
> > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done, 
it's a 
> > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which is 
> > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I 
assume 
> > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support MIDI 
> > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk based 
> > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some delay on 
> > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current 
version 
> > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> > 
> > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your opinion 
> > about EMXP... 
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist 
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken 
systems. 
> > I have been asking them 
> > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they told 
me 
> > that by las October they 
> > > probably had something.
> > > 
> > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good time 
into 
> > the emax compatibility 
> > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac 
software as 

> > well just because the 
> > > emax still amazing!!!
> > >
> >
>

Back in the early 90s I paid around $AU5000 for my Emax II. At the time I could not afford the 
hard disk or Syquest removable drive, let alone a CDROM drive as these options were priced at 
more than $AU1000 each! So in relative terms, $US150 for a flash drive with vastly greater 
storage capacity and reliability is dirt cheap. Buy one and be happy :)

/Tristan

Quoting Rei <vjrei@...>:

> 
> > I'm finding it really hard to pull the trigger on a SCSI flash
> drive now
> > that they all go for US$150 each... will eventually, but owch....
> the
> > scsi upgrade kit I just installed only cost $50! and I'm unsure if
> my
> > emax is even worth $150 even with the SCSI upgrade I did.
> > 
> 
> Man we can not go over street value, I am in Venezuela, my Emax II
> was $175 + $80 to the 
> courrier and it cost me about $500 to bring it here to Caracas, then
> I bought 2 flash drives 
> scsi interfaces for $400. But that is the cost of playing with
> vintage equipment. 
> 
> If I was that concerned aboput the value of things I would be using
> the software sampler I 
> have in my hacked copy of Logic Pro and get a MOTU or Digidesing i/O
> and that is it. But is 
> more fun playing with the keyboard and actually to make it work. 
> 
> By teh way, there are cheap SCSI to flash drives adapters but I can
> not make the trial because 
> it will cost me $500 to do so and I am not that excentric. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
And it does. 
But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know if C6 
or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've done 
were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps 
with :-)
And I used the Emax Plus OS.

///E-Synthesist
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:
>
> If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make 
software 
> which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive complete .EM1 
> banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II supports 
> SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know about 
> the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of these 
> days).
> 
> Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation mode 
> will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 kBaud 
> lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at this 
> point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd rather 
> wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is finished 
> (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. But 
> once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with full 
> (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> 
> Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, but 
> then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions (manually ?) 
> for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what 
> musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good flow 
in 
> the production process :-)
> 
> Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most probably 
> caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition and 
> the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are OFF, 
> you'll not encounter any problem. 
> But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning 
> problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just 
translated 
> my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning 
> problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way that 
it 
> doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON 
(Emax-
> II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also translating 
> these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II into 
> compressed format, like you did). 
> Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it to 
> compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice OFF 
> after loading it on an Emax-I.
> But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving panning 
> problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound 
> differences...
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello esynthesist,
> > 
> > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between Mac/PC 
and 
> the
> > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to make 
any
> > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, and 
the
> > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent studio
> > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and lc475,630,g4.., 
> but
> > no more serial midi port).
> > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from my 
G5 
> to
> > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was 
wayting
> > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i could 
made
> > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long 
ago...
> > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the Emax is
> > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if EMXP 
> could
> > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > 
> > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same bank 
> from
> > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via 
compression
> > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and compare 
> > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning 
problem
> > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound left 
and
> > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made 
wrong a
> > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > 
> > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 
samples
> > via midi dump ? 
> > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits 
samples 
> and
> > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because of the
> > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI 
> sysex 
> > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound Designer 
> for 
> > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like 
this 
> but 
> > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of 
> > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac, 
and 
> > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done, 
> it's a 
> > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which 
is 
> > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I 
> assume 
> > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support MIDI 
> > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk 
based 
> > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some delay 
on 
> > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current 
> version 
> > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> > > 
> > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your 
opinion 
> > > about EMXP... 
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist 
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken 
> systems. 
> > > I have been asking them 
> > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they 
told 

> me 
> > > that by las October they 
> > > > probably had something.
> > > > 
> > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good time 
> into 
> > > the emax compatibility 
> > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac 
> software as 
> > > well just because the 
> > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:
> sample wrench for the pc can take 16bit samples and when you choose
the emax driver it sends it via sysex in pcm 12bit format 

 this program also sends to the emulator 3 and eos via scsi to
ensoniqs and korg dss1 and dsm1 plus many other hard ware samplers

> Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> And it does. 
> But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know if C6 
> or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've done 
> were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps 
> with :-)
> And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> >
> > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make 
> software 
> > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive complete .EM1 
> > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II supports 
> > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know about 
> > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of these 
> > days).
> > 
> > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation mode 
> > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 kBaud 
> > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at this 
> > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd rather 
> > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is finished 
> > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. But 
> > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with full 
> > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > 
> > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, but 
> > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions (manually ?) 
> > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what 
> > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good flow 
> in 
> > the production process :-)
> > 
> > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most probably 
> > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition and 
> > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are OFF, 
> > you'll not encounter any problem. 
> > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning 
> > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just 
> translated 
> > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning 
> > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way that 
> it 
> > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON 
> (Emax-
> > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also translating 
> > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II into 
> > compressed format, like you did). 
> > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it to 
> > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice OFF 
> > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving panning 
> > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound 
> > differences...
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between Mac/PC 
> and 
> > the
> > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to make 
> any
> > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, and 
> the
> > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent studio
> > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and lc475,630,g4.., 
> > but
> > > no more serial midi port).
> > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from my 
> G5 
> > to
> > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was 
> wayting
> > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i could 
> made
> > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long 
> ago...
> > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the Emax is
> > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if EMXP 
> > could
> > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > 
> > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same bank 
> > from
> > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via 
> compression
> > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and compare 
> > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning 
> problem
> > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound left 
> and
> > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made 
> wrong a
> > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > 
> > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 
> samples
> > > via midi dump ? 
> > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits 
> samples 
> > and
> > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because of the
> > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI 
> > sysex 
> > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound Designer 
> > for 
> > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like 
> this 
> > but 
> > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of 
> > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac, 
> and 
> > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done, 
> > it's a 
> > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which 
> is 
> > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I 
> > assume 
> > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support MIDI 
> > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk 
> based 
> > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some delay 
> on 
> > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current 
> > version 
> > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> > > > 
> > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your 
> opinion 
> > > > about EMXP... 
> > > > 
> > > > ///E-Synthesist 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken 
> > systems. 
> > > > I have been asking them 
> > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they 
> told 
> > me 
> > > > that by las October they 
> > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good time 
> > into 
> > > > the emax compatibility 
> > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac 
> > software as 
> > > > well just because the 
> > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hello Esynthesist,

Thanks for this good new ! I could not do the test myself : I have no
more soft at this time in the Mac able to save samples as 12 bits
lengh, and could not find any converter to 12 bits... and C6 does not
convert anything (it only sends Wav, Aiff, and Sns Files). I read
again the Emax1 manual and did not found anything speaking about midi
dump. I looked at midi-OX that would be interesting..but one more time
not for mac.

About the compatibility of the compressed banks from the EmaxII, I
made a new test today with a bank of single samples (with the device
dual  off) on the EmaxII when saving, and had again a strange panning
when loaded in the Emax1 (+-85% an+-15% again) I shall try tomorrow to
find the pan function in the E1 and understand why.

If you want me to test some softs evolutions on Mac, I can do it for
you (actually with a PPC Mac Pro 2 x 2,5Ghz)under os X.4.11, and soon
with Intel processor (just waiting for the next generation of Mac Pro)

A last question : what would permit the Ted Summers SCSI upgrade to do
for a Mac user ?

Thanks in advance




--- In emax@...m, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:

>
> Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> And it does. 
> But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know if C6 
> or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've done 
> were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps 
> with :-)
> And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> >
> > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make 
> software 
> > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive complete .EM1 
> > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II supports 
> > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know about 
> > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of these 
> > days).
> > 
> > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation mode 
> > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 kBaud 
> > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at this 
> > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd rather 
> > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is finished 
> > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. But 
> > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with full 
> > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > 
> > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, but 
> > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions (manually ?) 
> > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what 
> > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good flow 
> in 
> > the production process :-)
> > 
> > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most probably 
> > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition and 
> > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are OFF, 
> > you'll not encounter any problem. 
> > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning 
> > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just 
> translated 
> > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning 
> > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way that 
> it 
> > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON 
> (Emax-
> > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also translating 
> > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II into 
> > compressed format, like you did). 
> > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it to 
> > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice OFF 
> > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving panning 
> > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound 
> > differences...
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > 
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between Mac/PC 
> and 
> > the
> > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to make 
> any
> > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, and 
> the
> > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent studio
> > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and lc475,630,g4.., 
> > but
> > > no more serial midi port).
> > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from my 
> G5 
> > to
> > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was 
> wayting
> > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i could 
> made
> > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long 
> ago...
> > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the Emax is
> > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if EMXP 
> > could
> > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > 
> > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same bank 
> > from
> > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via 
> compression
> > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and compare 
> > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning 
> problem
> > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound left 
> and
> > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made 
> wrong a
> > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > 
> > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 
> samples
> > > via midi dump ? 
> > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits 
> samples 
> > and
> > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because of the
> > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI 
> > sysex 
> > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound Designer 
> > for 
> > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like 
> this 
> > but 
> > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of 
> > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac, 
> and 
> > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done, 
> > it's a 
> > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which 
> is 
> > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I 
> > assume 
> > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support MIDI 
> > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk 
> based 
> > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some delay 
> on 
> > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current 
> > version 
> > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> > > > 
> > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your 
> opinion 
> > > > about EMXP... 
> > > > 
> > > > ///E-Synthesist 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken 
> > systems. 
> > > > I have been asking them 
> > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they 
> told 
> > me 
> > > > that by las October they 
> > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good time 
> > into 
> > > > the emax compatibility 
> > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac 
> > software as 
> > > > well just because the 
> > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Sound great, this Sample Wrench software.
But am I right that it still costs between USD 99 and USD 149 ?
Or do you know of a free version which is not limited in saving and 
sending MIDI ?

(I was hoping that I could make a small program today which is able 
to send/receive samples to/from the Emax-1/2 through MIDI but 
programming MIDI seems to be a pain in the ***: almost no one on the 
internet seems to understand how to receive SYSEX messages with a C-
program and the rare example code out there is not really clear ;-). 
The Emax SYSEX protocol itself is rather simple though, so I am 
getting a little bit frustrated here due to the bad documentation 
provided by Microsoft...)

///E-Synthesist

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie.emma" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > sample wrench for the pc can take 16bit samples and when you 
choose
> the emax driver it sends it via sysex in pcm 12bit format 
> 
>  this program also sends to the emulator 3 and eos via scsi to
> ensoniqs and korg dss1 and dsm1 plus many other hard ware samplers
> 
> 
> > Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> > And it does. 
> > But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know 
if C6 
> > or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've 
done 
> > were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps 
> > with :-)
> > And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make 
> > software 
> > > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive 
complete .EM1 
> > > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II 
supports 
> > > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know 
about 
> > > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of 
these 
> > > days).
> > > 
> > > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation 
mode 
> > > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 
kBaud 
> > > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at 
this 
> > > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd 
rather 
> > > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is 
finished 
> > > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. 
But 
> > > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with 
full 
> > > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > > 
> > > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, 
but 
> > > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions 
(manually ?) 
> > > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what 
> > > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good 
flow 
> > in 
> > > the production process :-)
> > > 
> > > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most 
probably 
> > > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition 
and 
> > > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are 
OFF, 
> > > you'll not encounter any problem. 
> > > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning 
> > > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just 
> > translated 
> > > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning 
> > > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way 
that 
> > it 
> > > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON 
> > (Emax-
> > > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also 
translating 
> > > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II 
into 
> > > compressed format, like you did). 
> > > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it 
to 
> > > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice 
OFF 
> > > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving 
panning 
> > > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound 
> > > differences...
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between 
Mac/PC 
> > and 
> > > the
> > > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to 
make 
> > any
> > > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, 
and 
> > the
> > > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent 
studio
> > > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and 
lc475,630,g4.., 
> > > but
> > > > no more serial midi port).
> > > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from 
my 
> > G5 
> > > to
> > > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was 
> > wayting
> > > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i 
could 
> > made
> > > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long 
> > ago...
> > > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the 
Emax is
> > > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if 
EMXP 
> > > could
> > > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > > 
> > > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same 
bank 
> > > from
> > > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via 
> > compression
> > > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and 
compare 
> > > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning 
> > problem
> > > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound 
left 
> > and
> > > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made 
> > wrong a
> > > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > > 
> > > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 
> > samples
> > > > via midi dump ? 
> > > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits 
> > samples 
> > > and
> > > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because 
of the
> > > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via 
MIDI 
> > > sysex 
> > > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound 
Designer 
> > > for 
> > > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like 
> > this 
> > > but 
> > > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a 
piece of 
> > > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old 
Mac, 
> > and 
> > > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is 
done, 
> > > it's a 
> > > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac 
which 
> > is 
> > > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so 
I 
> > > assume 
> > > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support 
MIDI 
> > > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk 
> > based 
> > > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some 
delay 
> > on 
> > > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current 
> > > version 
> > > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> > > > > 
> > > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your 
> > opinion 
> > > > > about EMXP... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of 
chicken 
> > > systems. 
> > > > > I have been asking them 
> > > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they 
> > told 
> > > me 
> > > > > that by las October they 
> > > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good 
time 

> > > into 
> > > > > the emax compatibility 
> > > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac 
> > > software as 
> > > > > well just because the 
> > > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

If you want some help in finding the problem with the panning, feel 
free to e-mail me one of those Emax-II banks and I will have a look 
too. My e-mail address is esynthesist at yahoo dot com.

About the SCSI upgrade: it doesn't matter what computer OS you are 
using, the SCSI feature is also great without even having a computer 
(i.e. load a floppy disk only once on the Emax and save it to a ZIP 
disk -> you don't have to load the slow floppy disks anymore). True, 
EMXP for Windows can also create/write/read ZIP disks for Emax-I so 
that would be a plus not available on Mac, but remember that in the 
eighties there was also no software which could read/write the SCSI 
disks for Emax. 
SCSI is especially useful if you use your Emax for live gigs (because 
of the fast bank load time).

///E-Synthesist

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Esynthesist,
> 
> Thanks for this good new ! I could not do the test myself : I have 
no
> more soft at this time in the Mac able to save samples as 12 bits
> lengh, and could not find any converter to 12 bits... and C6 does 
not
> convert anything (it only sends Wav, Aiff, and Sns Files). I read
> again the Emax1 manual and did not found anything speaking about 
midi
> dump. I looked at midi-OX that would be interesting..but one more 
time
> not for mac.
> 
> About the compatibility of the compressed banks from the EmaxII, I
> made a new test today with a bank of single samples (with the device
> dual  off) on the EmaxII when saving, and had again a strange 
panning
> when loaded in the Emax1 (+-85% an+-15% again) I shall try tomorrow 
to
> find the pan function in the E1 and understand why.
> 
> If you want me to test some softs evolutions on Mac, I can do it for
> you (actually with a PPC Mac Pro 2 x 2,5Ghz)under os X.4.11, and 
soon
> with Intel processor (just waiting for the next generation of Mac 
Pro)
> 
> A last question : what would permit the Ted Summers SCSI upgrade to 
do
> for a Mac user ?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> >
> > Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> > And it does. 
> > But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know 
if C6 
> > or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've 
done 
> > were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps 
> > with :-)
> > And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> > 
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make 
> > software 
> > > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive 
complete .EM1 
> > > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II 
supports 
> > > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know 
about 
> > > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of 
these 
> > > days).
> > > 
> > > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation 
mode 
> > > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 
kBaud 
> > > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at 
this 
> > > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd 
rather 
> > > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is 
finished 
> > > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. 
But 
> > > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with 
full 
> > > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > > 
> > > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, 
but 
> > > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions 
(manually ?) 
> > > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what 
> > > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good 
flow 
> > in 
> > > the production process :-)
> > > 
> > > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most 
probably 
> > > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition 
and 
> > > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are 
OFF, 
> > > you'll not encounter any problem. 
> > > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning 
> > > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just 
> > translated 
> > > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning 
> > > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way 
that 
> > it 
> > > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON 
> > (Emax-
> > > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also 
translating 
> > > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II 
into 
> > > compressed format, like you did). 
> > > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it 
to 
> > > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice 
OFF 
> > > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving 
panning 
> > > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound 
> > > differences...
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > 
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between 
Mac/PC 
> > and 
> > > the
> > > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to 
make 
> > any
> > > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, 
and 
> > the
> > > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent 
studio
> > > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and 
lc475,630,g4.., 
> > > but
> > > > no more serial midi port).
> > > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from 
my 
> > G5 
> > > to
> > > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was 
> > wayting
> > > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i 
could 
> > made
> > > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long 
> > ago...
> > > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the 
Emax is
> > > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if 
EMXP 
> > > could
> > > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > > 
> > > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same 
bank 
> > > from
> > > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via 
> > compression
> > > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and 
compare 
> > > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning 
> > problem
> > > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound 
left 
> > and
> > > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made 
> > wrong a
> > > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > > 
> > > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 
> > samples
> > > > via midi dump ? 
> > > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits 
> > samples 
> > > and
> > > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because 
of the
> > > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via 
MIDI 
> > > sysex 
> > > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound 
Designer 
> > > for 
> > > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like 
> > this 
> > > but 
> > > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a 
piece of 
> > > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old 
Mac, 
> > and 
> > > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is 
done, 
> > > it's a 
> > > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac 
which 
> > is 
> > > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so 
I 
> > > assume 
> > > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support 
MIDI 
> > > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk 
> > based 
> > > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some 
delay 
> > on 
> > > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current 
> > > version 
> > > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> > > > > 
> > > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your 
> > opinion 
> > > > > about EMXP... 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of 
chicken 
> > > systems. 
> > > > > I have been asking them 
> > > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they 
> > told 
> > > me 
> > > > > that by las October they 
> > > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good 
time 

> > > into 
> > > > > the emax compatibility 
> > > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac 
> > > software as 
> > > > > well just because the 
> > > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

SCSI upgrade has nothing to do with the Mac connectivity that I am aware of.

I don't think Emax 1 has SCSI dump.

The SCSI upgrade will allow you to:
1) Boot faster
2) Save 35 banks to HD, Zip, or compact flash/SD. - 1 flash is much easier
to work with than 35 floppy disks.
3) Switch banks in a very short time (couple of seconds).

Regards,
Ted



On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, poumpoumchak <cruising@...> wrote:

>   Hello Esynthesist,
>
> Thanks for this good new ! I could not do the test myself : I have no
> more soft at this time in the Mac able to save samples as 12 bits
> lengh, and could not find any converter to 12 bits... and C6 does not
> convert anything (it only sends Wav, Aiff, and Sns Files). I read
> again the Emax1 manual and did not found anything speaking about midi
> dump. I looked at midi-OX that would be interesting..but one more time
> not for mac.
>
> About the compatibility of the compressed banks from the EmaxII, I
> made a new test today with a bank of single samples (with the device
> dual off) on the EmaxII when saving, and had again a strange panning
> when loaded in the Emax1 (+-85% an+-15% again) I shall try tomorrow to
> find the pan function in the E1 and understand why.
>
> If you want me to test some softs evolutions on Mac, I can do it for
> you (actually with a PPC Mac Pro 2 x 2,5Ghz)under os X.4.11, and soon
> with Intel processor (just waiting for the next generation of Mac Pro)
>
> A last question : what would permit the Ted Summers SCSI upgrade to do
> for a Mac user ?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "esynthesist"
> <esynthesist@...> wrote:
> >
> > Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> > And it does.
> > But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know if C6
> > or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've done
> > were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps
> > with :-)
> > And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> >
> > ///E-Synthesist
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "esynthesist"
> <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make
> > software
> > > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive complete .EM1
> > > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II supports
> > > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know about
> > > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of these
> > > days).
> > >
> > > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation mode
> > > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 kBaud
> > > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at this
> > > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd rather
> > > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is finished
> > > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. But
> > > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with full
> > > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > >
> > > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, but
> > > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions (manually ?)
> > > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what
> > > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good flow
> > in
> > > the production process :-)
> > >
> > > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most probably
> > > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition and
> > > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are OFF,
> > > you'll not encounter any problem.
> > > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning
> > > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just
> > translated
> > > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning
> > > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way that
> > it
> > > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON
> > (Emax-
> > > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also translating
> > > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II into
> > > compressed format, like you did).
> > > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it to
> > > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice OFF
> > > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving panning
> > > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound
> > > differences...
> > >
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > >
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "poumpoumchak"
> <cruising@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between Mac/PC
> > and
> > > the
> > > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to make
> > any
> > > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, and
> > the
> > > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent studio
> > > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and lc475,630,g4..,
> > > but
> > > > no more serial midi port).
> > > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from my
> > G5
> > > to
> > > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was
> > wayting
> > > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i could
> > made
> > > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long
> > ago...
> > > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the Emax is
> > > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if EMXP
> > > could
> > > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > >
> > > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same bank
> > > from
> > > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via
> > compression
> > > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and compare
> > > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning
> > problem
> > > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound left
> > and
> > > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made
> > wrong a
> > > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1
> > samples
> > > > via midi dump ?
> > > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits
> > samples
> > > and
> > > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because of the
> > > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "esynthesist"
> <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI
> > > sysex
> > > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound Designer
> > > for
> > > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like
> > this
> > > but
> > > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a piece of
> > > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac,
> > and
> > > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is done,
> > > it's a
> > > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac which
> > is
> > > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so I
> > > assume
> > > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support MIDI
> > > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk
> > based
> > > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some delay
> > on
> > > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current
> > > version
> > > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your
> > opinion
> > > > > about EMXP...
> > > > >
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "Rei"
> <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken
> > > systems.
> > > > > I have been asking them
> > > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they
> > told
> > > me
> > > > > that by las October they
> > > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good time
> > > into
> > > > > the emax compatibility
> > > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac
> > > software as
> > > > > well just because the
> > > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
> 
>


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Hello Ted,

Thanks for your answer. My Emax1 is a SE HD, and already have a hard  
drive.
Would the upgrade permit to have a second one or an extra strorage  
(Zip 250? removable rack hard disk ?)



On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Ted Summers wrote:

> SCSI upgrade has nothing to do with the Mac connectivity that I am  
> aware of.
>
> I don't think Emax 1 has SCSI dump.
>
> The SCSI upgrade will allow you to:
> 1) Boot faster
> 2) Save 35 banks to HD, Zip, or compact flash/SD. - 1 flash is much  
> easier
> to work with than 35 floppy disks.
> 3) Switch banks in a very short time (couple of seconds).
>
> Regards,
> Ted
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, poumpoumchak <cruising@...>  
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Esynthesist,
> >
> > Thanks for this good new ! I could not do the test myself : I  
> have no
> > more soft at this time in the Mac able to save samples as 12 bits
> > lengh, and could not find any converter to 12 bits... and C6 does  
> not
> > convert anything (it only sends Wav, Aiff, and Sns Files). I read
> > again the Emax1 manual and did not found anything speaking about  
> midi
> > dump. I looked at midi-OX that would be interesting..but one more  
> time
> > not for mac.
> >
> > About the compatibility of the compressed banks from the EmaxII, I
> > made a new test today with a bank of single samples (with the device
> > dual off) on the EmaxII when saving, and had again a strange panning
> > when loaded in the Emax1 (+-85% an+-15% again) I shall try  
> tomorrow to
> > find the pan function in the E1 and understand why.
> >
> > If you want me to test some softs evolutions on Mac, I can do it for
> > you (actually with a PPC Mac Pro 2 x 2,5Ghz)under os X.4.11, and  
> soon
> > with Intel processor (just waiting for the next generation of Mac  
> Pro)
> >
> > A last question : what would permit the Ted Summers SCSI upgrade  
> to do
> > for a Mac user ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "esynthesist"
> > <esynthesist@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> > > And it does.
> > > But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know  
> if C6
> > > or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've  
> done
> > > were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps
> > > with :-)
> > > And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> > >
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>,  
> "esynthesist"
> > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make
> > > software
> > > > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive complete .EM1
> > > > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II  
> supports
> > > > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know  
> about
> > > > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of  
> these
> > > > days).
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this  
> operation mode
> > > > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25  
> kBaud
> > > > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > > > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at  
> this
> > > > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > > > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd  
> rather
> > > > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is  
> finished
> > > > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its  
> speed. But
> > > > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible  
> with full
> > > > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > > >
> > > > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for  
> Mac, but
> > > > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions  
> (manually ?)
> > > > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what
> > > > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good  
> flow
> > > in
> > > > the production process :-)
> > > >
> > > > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most  
> probably
> > > > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice"  
> definition and
> > > > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are  
> OFF,
> > > > you'll not encounter any problem.
> > > > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning
> > > > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just
> > > translated
> > > > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning
> > > > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way  
> that
> > > it
> > > > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON
> > > (Emax-
> > > > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also  
> translating
> > > > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II  
> into
> > > > compressed format, like you did).
> > > > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving  
> it to
> > > > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice  
> OFF
> > > > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > > > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving panning
> > > > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound
> > > > differences...
> > > >
> > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > >
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>,  
> "poumpoumchak"
> > <cruising@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between Mac/PC
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to  
> make
> > > any
> > > > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing  
> banks, and
> > > the
> > > > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent  
> studio
> > > > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and  
> lc475,630,g4..,
> > > > but
> > > > > no more serial midi port).
> > > > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples  
> from my
> > > G5
> > > > to
> > > > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was
> > > wayting
> > > > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i  
> could
> > > made
> > > > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long
> > > ago...
> > > > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the  
> Emax is
> > > > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if  
> EMXP
> > > > could
> > > > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same  
> bank
> > > > from
> > > > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via
> > > compression
> > > > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and  
> compare
> > > > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning
> > > problem
> > > > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound  
> left
> > > and
> > > > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made
> > > wrong a
> > > > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1
> > > samples
> > > > > via midi dump ?
> > > > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits
> > > samples
> > > > and
> > > > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because  
> of the
> > > > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>,  
> "esynthesist"
> > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI
> > > > sysex
> > > > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound  
> Designer
> > > > for
> > > > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like
> > > this
> > > > but
> > > > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a  
> piece of
> > > > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac,
> > > and
> > > > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is  
> done,
> > > > it's a
> > > > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac  
> which
> > > is
> > > > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore,  
> so I
> > > > assume
> > > > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support  
> MIDI
> > > > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk
> > > based
> > > > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some  
> delay
> > > on
> > > > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current
> > > > version
> > > > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your
> > > opinion
> > > > > > about EMXP...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "Rei"
> > <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken
> > > > systems.
> > > > > > I have been asking them
> > > > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they
> > > told
> > > > me
> > > > > > that by las October they
> > > > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good  
> time
> > > > into
> > > > > > the emax compatibility
> > > > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac
> > > > software as
> > > > > > well just because the
> > > > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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If your Emax is SE HD, you do not need an upgrade.

To utilize a second external drive you need:
Plus OS 1.0 to boot from
External adapter / connector for the SCSI chain already present in the Emax.
You may need to remove drive termination, and put termination on your
external device you are adding, or, when the external is not connected,
connect terminator directly on the port.

To use the external, you hold down Transponse, and select SCSI ID of the
external device (other than ID 0).

Regards,
Ted

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:05 PM, cruising <cruising@...> wrote:

>   Hello Ted,
>
> Thanks for your answer. My Emax1 is a SE HD, and already have a hard
> drive.
> Would the upgrade permit to have a second one or an extra strorage
> (Zip 250? removable rack hard disk ?)
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Ted Summers wrote:
>
> > SCSI upgrade has nothing to do with the Mac connectivity that I am
> > aware of.
> >
> > I don't think Emax 1 has SCSI dump.
> >
> > The SCSI upgrade will allow you to:
> > 1) Boot faster
> > 2) Save 35 banks to HD, Zip, or compact flash/SD. - 1 flash is much
> > easier
> > to work with than 35 floppy disks.
> > 3) Switch banks in a very short time (couple of seconds).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ted
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, poumpoumchak <cruising@...<cruising%40free.fr>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Esynthesist,
> > >
> > > Thanks for this good new ! I could not do the test myself : I
> > have no
> > > more soft at this time in the Mac able to save samples as 12 bits
> > > lengh, and could not find any converter to 12 bits... and C6 does
> > not
> > > convert anything (it only sends Wav, Aiff, and Sns Files). I read
> > > again the Emax1 manual and did not found anything speaking about
> > midi
> > > dump. I looked at midi-OX that would be interesting..but one more
> > time
> > > not for mac.
> > >
> > > About the compatibility of the compressed banks from the EmaxII, I
> > > made a new test today with a bank of single samples (with the device
> > > dual off) on the EmaxII when saving, and had again a strange panning
> > > when loaded in the Emax1 (+-85% an+-15% again) I shall try
> > tomorrow to
> > > find the pan function in the E1 and understand why.
> > >
> > > If you want me to test some softs evolutions on Mac, I can do it for
> > > you (actually with a PPC Mac Pro 2 x 2,5Ghz)under os X.4.11, and
> > soon
> > > with Intel processor (just waiting for the next generation of Mac
> > Pro)
> > >
> > > A last question : what would permit the Ted Summers SCSI upgrade
> > to do
> > > for a Mac user ?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com> <emax%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "esynthesist"
> > > <esynthesist@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> > > > And it does.
> > > > But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know
> > if C6
> > > > or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've
> > done
> > > > were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps
> > > > with :-)
> > > > And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> > > >
> > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com> <emax%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>  > "esynthesist"
> > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make
> > > > software
> > > > > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive complete .EM1
> > > > > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II
> > supports
> > > > > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know
> > about
> > > > > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of
> > these
> > > > > days).
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this
> > operation mode
> > > > > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25
> > kBaud
> > > > > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > > > > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at
> > this
> > > > > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > > > > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd
> > rather
> > > > > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is
> > finished
> > > > > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its
> > speed. But
> > > > > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible
> > with full
> > > > > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for
> > Mac, but
> > > > > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions
> > (manually ?)
> > > > > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what
> > > > > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good
> > flow
> > > > in
> > > > > the production process :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most
> > probably
> > > > > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice"
> > definition and
> > > > > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are
> > OFF,
> > > > > you'll not encounter any problem.
> > > > > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning
> > > > > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just
> > > > translated
> > > > > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning
> > > > > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way
> > that
> > > > it
> > > > > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON
> > > > (Emax-
> > > > > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also
> > translating
> > > > > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II
> > into
> > > > > compressed format, like you did).
> > > > > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving
> > it to
> > > > > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice
> > OFF
> > > > > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > > > > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving panning
> > > > > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound
> > > > > differences...
> > > > >
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com> <emax%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>  > "poumpoumchak"
> > > <cruising@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between Mac/PC
> > > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > > > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to
> > make
> > > > any
> > > > > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing
> > banks, and
> > > > the
> > > > > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent
> > studio
> > > > > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and
> > lc475,630,g4..,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > no more serial midi port).
> > > > > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples
> > from my
> > > > G5
> > > > > to
> > > > > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was
> > > > wayting
> > > > > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i
> > could
> > > > made
> > > > > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long
> > > > ago...
> > > > > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the
> > Emax is
> > > > > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > > > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if
> > EMXP
> > > > > could
> > > > > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same
> > bank
> > > > > from
> > > > > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via
> > > > compression
> > > > > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and
> > compare
> > > > > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > > > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning
> > > > problem
> > > > > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound
> > left
> > > > and
> > > > > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made
> > > > wrong a
> > > > > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1
> > > > samples
> > > > > > via midi dump ?
> > > > > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits
> > > > samples
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because
> > of the
> > > > > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com> <emax%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
>  > "esynthesist"
> > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via MIDI
> > > > > sysex
> > > > > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound
> > Designer
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like
> > > > this
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a
> > piece of
> > > > > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old Mac,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is
> > done,
> > > > > it's a
> > > > > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac
> > which
> > > > is
> > > > > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore,
> > so I
> > > > > assume
> > > > > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support
> > MIDI
> > > > > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk
> > > > based
> > > > > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some
> > delay
> > > > on
> > > > > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current
> > > > > version
> > > > > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your
> > > > opinion
> > > > > > > about EMXP...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com> <emax%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Rei"
> > > <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of chicken
> > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > I have been asking them
> > > > > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they
> > > > told
> > > > > me
> > > > > > > that by las October they
> > > > > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good
> > time
> > > > > into
> > > > > > > the emax compatibility
> > > > > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac
> > > > > software as
> > > > > > > well just because the
> > > > > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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Hello Ted,

Thanks for your answer. I shall open the Emax1 for the first time (in  
more than fifteen years) tomorrow.

Best regards
Poumpoumchak


On Feb 2, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Ted Summers wrote:

> If your Emax is SE HD, you do not need an upgrade.
>
> To utilize a second external drive you need:
> Plus OS 1.0 to boot from
> External adapter / connector for the SCSI chain already present in  
> the Emax.
> You may need to remove drive termination, and put termination on your
> external device you are adding, or, when the external is not  
> connected,
> connect terminator directly on the port.
>
> To use the external, you hold down Transponse, and select SCSI ID  
> of the
> external device (other than ID 0).
>
> Regards,
> Ted
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:05 PM, cruising <cruising@...> wrote:
>
> > Hello Ted,
> >
> > Thanks for your answer. My Emax1 is a SE HD, and already have a hard
> > drive.
> > Would the upgrade permit to have a second one or an extra strorage
> > (Zip 250? removable rack hard disk ?)
> >
> >
> > On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Ted Summers wrote:
> >
> > > SCSI upgrade has nothing to do with the Mac connectivity that I am
> > > aware of.
> > >
> > > I don't think Emax 1 has SCSI dump.
> > >
> > > The SCSI upgrade will allow you to:
> > > 1) Boot faster
> > > 2) Save 35 banks to HD, Zip, or compact flash/SD. - 1 flash is  
> much
> > > easier
> > > to work with than 35 floppy disks.
> > > 3) Switch banks in a very short time (couple of seconds).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ted
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, poumpoumchak  
> <cruising@...<cruising%40free.fr>>
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Esynthesist,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for this good new ! I could not do the test myself : I
> > > have no
> > > > more soft at this time in the Mac able to save samples as 12  
> bits
> > > > lengh, and could not find any converter to 12 bits... and C6  
> does
> > > not
> > > > convert anything (it only sends Wav, Aiff, and Sns Files). I  
> read
> > > > again the Emax1 manual and did not found anything speaking about
> > > midi
> > > > dump. I looked at midi-OX that would be interesting..but one  
> more
> > > time
> > > > not for mac.
> > > >
> > > > About the compatibility of the compressed banks from the  
> EmaxII, I
> > > > made a new test today with a bank of single samples (with the  
> device
> > > > dual off) on the EmaxII when saving, and had again a strange  
> panning
> > > > when loaded in the Emax1 (+-85% an+-15% again) I shall try
> > > tomorrow to
> > > > find the pan function in the E1 and understand why.
> > > >
> > > > If you want me to test some softs evolutions on Mac, I can do  
> it for
> > > > you (actually with a PPC Mac Pro 2 x 2,5Ghz)under os X.4.11, and
> > > soon
> > > > with Intel processor (just waiting for the next generation of  
> Mac
> > > Pro)
> > > >
> > > > A last question : what would permit the Ted Summers SCSI upgrade
> > > to do
> > > > for a Mac user ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com> <emax%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "esynthesist"
> > > > <esynthesist@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> > > > > And it does.
> > > > > But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't  
> know
> > > if C6
> > > > > or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests  
> I've
> > > done
> > > > > were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample  
> dumps
> > > > > with :-)
> > > > > And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> > > > >
> > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com> <emax%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "esynthesist"
> > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make
> > > > > software
> > > > > > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive  
> complete .EM1
> > > > > > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II
> > > supports
> > > > > > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know
> > > about
> > > > > > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this  
> one of
> > > these
> > > > > > days).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this
> > > operation mode
> > > > > > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25
> > > kBaud
> > > > > > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > > > > > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux,  
> but at
> > > this
> > > > > > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > > > > > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd
> > > rather
> > > > > > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is
> > > finished
> > > > > > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its
> > > speed. But
> > > > > > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible
> > > with full
> > > > > > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for
> > > Mac, but
> > > > > > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions
> > > (manually ?)
> > > > > > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what
> > > > > > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good
> > > flow
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the production process :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most
> > > probably
> > > > > > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice"
> > > definition and
> > > > > > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are
> > > OFF,
> > > > > > you'll not encounter any problem.
> > > > > > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning
> > > > > > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just
> > > > > translated
> > > > > > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have  
> panning
> > > > > > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way
> > > that
> > > > > it
> > > > > > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice  
> is ON
> > > > > (Emax-
> > > > > > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also
> > > translating
> > > > > > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on  
> Emax-II
> > > into
> > > > > > compressed format, like you did).
> > > > > > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving
> > > it to
> > > > > > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual  
> Voice
> > > OFF
> > > > > > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > > > > > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving  
> panning
> > > > > > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound
> > > > > > differences...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com> <emax%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "poumpoumchak"
> > > > <cruising@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between  
> Mac/PC
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > > > > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have  
> solution to
> > > make
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing
> > > banks, and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a  
> fluent
> > > studio
> > > > > > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and
> > > lc475,630,g4..,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > no more serial midi port).
> > > > > > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples
> > > from my
> > > > > G5
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory :  
> i was
> > > > > wayting
> > > > > > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i
> > > could
> > > > > made
> > > > > > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such  
> a long
> > > > > ago...
> > > > > > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the
> > > Emax is
> > > > > > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > > > > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if
> > > EMXP
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the  
> same
> > > bank
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via
> > > > > compression
> > > > > > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and
> > > compare
> > > > > > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > > > > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a  
> panning
> > > > > problem
> > > > > > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the  
> sound
> > > left
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I  
> made
> > > > > wrong a
> > > > > > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the  
> Emax1
> > > > > samples
> > > > > > > via midi dump ?
> > > > > > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits
> > > > > samples
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it  
> because
> > > of the
> > > > > > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>  
> <emax%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "esynthesist"
> > > > <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks  
> via MIDI
> > > > > > sysex
> > > > > > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound
> > > Designer
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing  
> something like
> > > > > this
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > > > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a
> > > piece of
> > > > > > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the  
> old Mac,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is
> > > done,
> > > > > > it's a
> > > > > > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac
> > > which
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > > > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore,
> > > so I
> > > > > > assume
> > > > > > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > > > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support
> > > MIDI
> > > > > > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file-  
> or disk
> > > > > based
> > > > > > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some
> > > delay
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the  
> current
> > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is  
> your
> > > > > opinion
> > > > > > > > about EMXP...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>  
> <emax%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Rei"
> > > > <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of  
> chicken
> > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > > I have been asking them
> > > > > > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr  
> and they
> > > > > told
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > > that by las October they
> > > > > > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good
> > > time
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > the emax compatibility
> > > > > > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a  
> Mac
> > > > > > software as
> > > > > > > > well just because the
> > > > > > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@...> wrote:
> no just get sample wrench classic thats all you need for sample
dumps its about $43

 or you can send me the samples you require to be dumped and i can do
it then save it as a floppy image no charge 

 jammie

> Sound great, this Sample Wrench software.
> But am I right that it still costs between USD 99 and USD 149 ?
> Or do you know of a free version which is not limited in saving and 
> sending MIDI ?
> 
> (I was hoping that I could make a small program today which is able 
> to send/receive samples to/from the Emax-1/2 through MIDI but 
> programming MIDI seems to be a pain in the ***: almost no one on the 
> internet seems to understand how to receive SYSEX messages with a C-
> program and the rare example code out there is not really clear ;-). 
> The Emax SYSEX protocol itself is rather simple though, so I am 
> getting a little bit frustrated here due to the bad documentation 
> provided by Microsoft...)
> 
> ///E-Synthesist
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie.emma" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > sample wrench for the pc can take 16bit samples and when you 
> choose
> > the emax driver it sends it via sysex in pcm 12bit format 
> > 
> >  this program also sends to the emulator 3 and eos via scsi to
> > ensoniqs and korg dss1 and dsm1 plus many other hard ware samplers
> > 
> > 
> > > Today I checked if MIDI SDS is working fine on the Emax-I.
> > > And it does. 
> > > But the samples must be in 12-bit unsigned format. I don't know 
> if C6 
> > > or any other sample dump software supports this. The tests I've 
> done 
> > > were with MIDI-OX but that's not the best tool to do sample dumps 
> > > with :-)
> > > And I used the Emax Plus OS.
> > > 
> > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If the Emax-I supports SDS then it would be possible to make 
> > > software 
> > > > which uses the standard MIDI ports to send/receive 
> complete .EM1 
> > > > banks to/from the Emax. As far as I remember the Emax-II 
> supports 
> > > > SDS, but I'm not sure about the Emax-I and I also don't know 
> about 
> > > > the 12bit/16bit requirement (perhaps I will check this one of 
> these 
> > > > days).
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway, in both cases you have to be aware that this operation 
> mode 
> > > > will be VERY slow. Sending 512K of sample data across 31.25 
> kBaud 
> > > > lines will take some time (up to minutes...).
> > > > This software can be built for Windows, Mac and Linux, but at 
> this 
> > > > point in time I don't have a "modern" Mac sitting here...
> > > > EMXP can be extended with this MIDI dump function, but I'd 
> rather 
> > > > wait with this feature until the RS422 hardware project is 
> finished 
> > > > (see other messages). The advantage of the RS422 is its speed. 
> But 
> > > > once I write software for RS422, I can make it compatible with 
> full 
> > > > (slow) MIDI SDS also.
> > > > 
> > > > Of course you can use already any MIDI scripting tool for Mac, 
> but 
> > > > then you'll have to insert different MIDI instructions 
> (manually ?) 
> > > > for each different .EM1/.EM2 bank. I guess this is not what 
> > > > musicians/producers call a great solution for getting a good 
> flow 
> > > in 
> > > > the production process :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Related to your panning (stereo field) issue: this is most 
> probably 
> > > > caused by the difference in the Emax-I "Dual Voice" definition 
> and 
> > > > the Emax-II "Stereo Voice" definition. If these settings are 
> OFF, 
> > > > you'll not encounter any problem. 
> > > > But once they're ON, the translated results can have panning 
> > > > problems. I know that EMXP also suffers from this: I just 
> > > translated 
> > > > my whole Emax-II library to Emax-I with EMXP and I have panning 
> > > > problems too. I was thinking about changing EMXP in such way 
> that 
> > > it 
> > > > doesn't set Dual Voice ON (Emax-I) when the Stereo Voice is ON 
> > > (Emax-
> > > > II), but I'm still doubting because Emu itself is also 
> translating 
> > > > these parameters like this (= when you save a bank on Emax-II 
> into 
> > > > compressed format, like you did). 
> > > > Anyway: you could try to set Stereo Voice OFF before saving it 
> to 
> > > > compressed format on an Emax-II, or you can switch Dual Voice 
> OFF 
> > > > after loading it on an Emax-I.
> > > > But be aware that - by doing this - you *may* be solving 
> panning 
> > > > problems but *may* also be introducing other important sound 
> > > > differences...
> > > > 
> > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > 
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "poumpoumchak" <cruising@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello esynthesist,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for your answer. The idea to have a link between 
> Mac/PC 
> > > and 
> > > > the
> > > > > emax1 (andII) is really a great hope.
> > > > > As (many) a mac user(s) , I don't actually have solution to 
> make 
> > > any
> > > > > evolution in the Emax1/II banks or to import existing banks, 
> and 
> > > the
> > > > > old softs solutions are really difficult to use in a fluent 
> studio
> > > > > working (I have dowloaded alchemy, olds macUU and 
> lc475,630,g4.., 
> > > > but
> > > > > no more serial midi port).
> > > > > The little midi dump soft C6 permited me to send samples from 
> my 
> > > G5 
> > > > to
> > > > > the emaxII, and it was for me a really great victory : i was 
> > > wayting
> > > > > for that since nearly 15 years : the last bank exchange i 
> could 
> > > made
> > > > > was between a Prophet 2000 and Mac Sound Designer such a long 
> > > ago...
> > > > > And creating presets to manages these dump samples in the 
> Emax is
> > > > > really not easy with a 2 lines display...
> > > > > So, the Rs422 adapter (usb?) would be really welcome an if 
> EMXP 
> > > > could
> > > > > be used with, it would be a new life for the Emaxs...
> > > > > 
> > > > > I tried to make a little test last week : to mount the same 
> bank 
> > > > from
> > > > > the EmaxII in the EIIIxp, EIVUltra, and in the Emax1 via 
> > > compression
> > > > > and floppy save from the EmaxII. (This was to sample and 
> compare 
> > > > > results in my Daw with a same midi file play).
> > > > > The compressed banks coming from the Emax II have a panning 
> > > problem
> > > > > when I load them on the Emax1 : I have +- 85 % of the sound 
> left 
> > > and
> > > > > 15% right or the inverse, depending on the banks. Did I made 
> > > wrong a
> > > > > step ? Is there a way to avoid this problem ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is it possible (with C6 or other soft) to send to the Emax1 
> > > samples
> > > > > via midi dump ? 
> > > > > Have these samples to be 12 bits ? I tried to send 16 bits 
> > > samples 
> > > > and
> > > > > the Em1 sent me a handshaking problem answer. Is it because 
> of the
> > > > > format, or the sds implementation ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks in advance (and long way to EMXP !)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "esynthesist" <esynthesist@> 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Currently there's no way to transfer complete banks via 
> MIDI 
> > > > sysex 
> > > > > > towards the Emax (I/II), except for the vintage "Sound 
> Designer 
> > > > for 
> > > > > > Emax" Mac software which is capable of doing something like 
> > > this 
> > > > but 
> > > > > > it only works for Emax-I.
> > > > > > Some members on this board were also trying to build a 
> piece of 
> > > > > > hardware which can "replace" the RS422 ports of the old 
> Mac, 
> > > and 
> > > > > > which can be connected to a new PC or Mac. Once this is 
> done, 
> > > > it's a 
> > > > > > simple thing to create software for both Windows and Mac 
> which 
> > > is 
> > > > > > able to do exactly what you're asking for.
> > > > > > But I didn't hear from those guys for some time anymore, so 
> I 
> > > > assume 
> > > > > > their experiments are not successful :-)
> > > > > > As far as I know, Chickensys Translator does not support 
> MIDI 
> > > > > > communication with any sampler. They focus on file- or disk 
> > > based 
> > > > > > translations (like EMXP) but it's true that there's some 
> delay 
> > > on 
> > > > > > full support for the Emax-II. As far as I know the current 
> > > > version 
> > > > > > already supports Emax-II in "some way" (not Emax-I).   
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > By the way, Rei: I'm very sorry to hear that this is your 
> > > opinion 
> > > > > > about EMXP... 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ///E-Synthesist 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Rei" <vjrei@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please, go over with your request to the people of 
> chicken 
> > > > systems. 
> > > > > > I have been asking them 
> > > > > > > for ever to have suport for the emax II samplesr and they 
> > > told 
> > > > me 
> > > > > > that by las October they 
> > > > > > > probably had something.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I believe that with preassure they can spend some good 
> time 
> > > > into 
> > > > > > the emax compatibility 
> > > > > > > because the EMXP is too absurrb and I really need a Mac 
> > > > software as 
> > > > > > well just because the 
> > > > > > > emax still amazing!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>