Emax

I agree completely, Jammie!

This is exactly what is wrong with the Ableton Live instruments. You  
hit the nail on the head, my man!  :-)

Have you thought about creating a group of samples to sell to Ableton,  
for example?  IMHO they need some
help right now!

My Prophet VS relies on those single-cycle waveforms for it's stunning  
sound!

But Jamie?  Remember the Fairlight and the use of slices across the  
time-domain?  That's where the small,
single-cycle limitation concerns me.  I can use the hardware  
processing of the constant cycle, but I'm also
looking for some way to have interpolation across the time-domain, say  
from each single cycle to the next
in a smooth momentum...?

You may have just hit the nail on the head for Max/MSP limitations,  
too!  For the most part I hear nothing but
NOISE coming out of Max/MSP -- absurd, ridiculous, nonsense and  
atonality that is not dissonant -- it is out right
discomfort and as I said NOISE by the "artists" I hear who are using  
it.  Could this be solved with single cycle
waves I wonder?  In many cases the raw source going into Max/MSP has  
been very harmonically rich, but I'm
thinking it's the fault also of the modulators too perhaps?

I have more experience with Reaktor than with Max/MSP but now that  
Ableton has tried to put life back into LIVE
by incorporating Max/MSP with Live I'm wondering...

I'm not a fan of the software instruments in Live or in Max/MSP and  
would only use them on a plane flight to Dubai!
30 hours with nothing to do!!!   ;-)

:-)

You're doing this with cSound too, eh!?  That's seriously intense,  
Jammie!  And yes I'd love to see what I could do
with those waveforms in Live and in Melodyne even!  Are you on the  
cSound list that's run out of Bath in the UK?

I'd like to hear more about how you use the "sweep":  I'm not sure  
exactly what you mean by that...  Can you be
more specific?  I'm coming-in late to the conversations on the list,  
but I hope bringing in some new material.


The Ensoniq was a classic but people around me didn't know how to use  
it and it sounded like a buzz-saw or a
vacuum cleaner and that was one of the reasons I bought an Emax was  
because of bad experiences, poor implementation
of the Ensoniq.

With the VS it's done for you.  And the smooth movement between  
waveforms can be done via programming or using the
joy-stick in real-time on the VS between the four oscillators.

Great points as always!  Thank you!  Yes, please I'd like to see if I  
can develop some waves of my own using the Ableton tools
to give them validity in my experience!  :-)

Single cycle waves are the essence of purity in one sense for great  
source material, no doubt about it.

On 15 Jul 2009, at 00:37, jammie wrote:

>
> i use the comp for sound design and editing samples then i dump them  
> back to hardware for the synth section and analog filtering
>
> the reason virus strings sound warm are the multi saw oscillators  
> these oscillators are single cycle wave forms i have emulated some  
> using csound
>
> ill post some on the furom site ill do them a 3 cycles long then ill  
> loop the middle 1 for you they will be in the key of aas its a nice  
> equal number system for the computer to compute a4 being 100 samples  
> to 1 single cycle wave
>
> these samples will only take up 1-2k each and you can have hundreds  
> on 1 floppy
>
> soft samplers make you lazy in the fact that when wanting a resonant  
> sweep sound they same the instrument that does it which makes the  
> sample static for resweeping with out restarting the sample
>
> were as you can synthesis it on an emax and can change the sweep any  
> way you like in real time with use of the onboard modulaters with  
> out having to restart the sample by pressing a key
>
> thats the difference in hardware and software its the limitations  
> that make you more creative
>
> becuse you use programming to get the sound to perform instead of  
> say the gigabyte piano in giga studio thats been sampled at massive  
> long takes
>
> the perfect piano from ensoniq was only 1 mb in size and sounds  
> sweet thats the difference you can get outstanding sounds with  
> little memory and programming i use an ensoniq mirage which has only  
> 2 banks of 64k but drums sound wicked on it coupled with its digital  
> distortion of the oscillators and the analog filters its in the  
> programming
>
> the key to being different is experimentation and programming and  
> single cycle waves




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