Emax

i own a eII eIII emax and emax2 and e4ultra 

i own a k2000 

i own a number off eps16+ and asr10

a bunch of akais

roland s330 and s760

korg dss1/ dsm1

and mirage

each has its qualities the others dont 

the k2000 is very easy to use and having 64mb memory helps you can have upto 3 layers to 1 instrument so you can get fat sounds and the dsp synthesis function are great you can take a single cycle waveform and use a choas dsp function called wrap and just by setting the wrap you can warp the single cycle into new unheard of sounds theres a lot more filter types to 

its all in the programming

the down side to the k2000 is the tronspose function of a sample you can only double the root when sampling at 48khz as the top most playing capacity is 96khz so you need more samples when using multi samples but having 64mb this does not matter plus its 16 multi timbral

the good thing about the emaxes is they use special voice chips that deal with the transpose function so you can layer 1 sample across the keyboard if necessary this is good as the memory is small

remember the emax2 is digital just the same as the k2000

and saying that the emax2 is warmer is obsurd 

now if your talking about the emax1 or the eII or eIII then these are much warmer as they are analog filtered out put with digital oscillators

the korg dss1 is another fat analog digital hybrid but this has the ability to sync its oscillators 

the eps16/asr 10 are another great pair of samplers that can do transwave synthesis this is like owning a ppg wave in your sampler as you can do wave sweep modulation which allows you to sweep through a wavetable sample 

roland have the best sounding digital resonance filter of all the digital filters in any synth its a very brash warm filter 

the e4 series filters are great as they are able to do filtration that no other sampler can
and on the software version you can create your own

the mirage is totally aliased digital crunch through warm analog filters and are great for drums for that retro hiphop sound nasty by janet jackson thats produced on a number of mirages

casio fz1 has nice warped digital filters and was a fave of the early drum and bass and hardcore scene

i use all of them because each is special in its own way and every one of them has its own sound its all in the programming and how you want to percieve them 

you can make any sound analog by using more than 1 layer and variating a few cycles of waveform and then changing the fase slightly from 1 another and detuning a little bit to the other sample so that you get a small bit of drift between the oscilators 

but in this climate you can pick up hardware really cheaply 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brooks Mosher 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax 2 vs kurzweil K2500 Sampler


    fact:

  you can do a lot more on a K2500 than any of the other mentioned samplers.
  with all the functionality it offers, it's like the swiss army knife of
  samplers. not too mention, if you're into techno that comes out of Detroit
  you should know that a lot of producers used the K2000 (Carl Craig, Kenny
  Larkin, Anthony "Shake" Shakir...). they're really more than a sampler;
  they're hardware DSP machines that sample.

  my opinion:

  they are punchy sounding but definitely lack the warmth of Emu samplers such
  as the Emax or EIII. i've always thought the K2000 to have somewhat of a
  colder metalic quality but that could also be the internal ROM sound set
  (really nice strings on it though). contrary to other opnions i found the
  K2000 to be quite immediate and easy to get what i want out. you can do
  whole tracks with one as well (unlike an Emax)...

  On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:27 PM, nonlocalmusic <nonlocalmusic@...>wrote:

  >
  >
  > fwiw the period of Autechre that I've most enjoyed (amber to chiastic
  > slide) is super heavy on the ensoniq samplers eps/asr10.
  >
  > The k series samplers certainly can do a lot interesting processing, but
  > they are not nearly as immediate or fun to use as an emu or ensoniq.
  >
  > I love the E4 series. Maybe not the best for grainy, but not surpassed for
  > creamy smoothness. fantastic filters and sick bass!
  >
  > I'll second the notion above tho... with the prices for hardware samplers
  > where they are at today -- if you're making the choice to use hardware, you
  > may as well buy one of each and use them for what they particularly excel
  > at.
  >
  > Depending on the market where you live, one could buy nearly all the top
  > samplers for the price of one midlevel board ten years ago.
  >
  > emax $40, e4xt $50, s770 $150, eps $150 ASR10 350, MPC60 $450, s950 $150
  > k2000 $200, .
  >
  > The s770 alone listed at $13000 when new :-O
  >
  > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, David Bulog <d2ba@...>
  > wrote:
  > >
  > > Thanks Tristan
  > > What interested me about the K2500 is early Autechure used a K2500RS
  > > and they claim that is their best sampler for mangling samples at the
  > > time --late 1990s
  > > I did notice that the sampling on Emax 2 contains that magic grain
  > > much like the SP1200. EMU lost it with the Emulator 4 series
  > > I bought the K2500 keyboard USD$400 ---I like the keyboard and
  > > appegiator.
  > > One advantage is you can send midi notes out in the appegiator but one
  > > the otherhand you cannot clock the appegiator to midi clock directly
  > > unless you go into dequencer song mode and record it as a sequence---
  > > go figure
  > > In the Emax 2 Appegiator you can clock to midi clock but it does not
  > > send midi notes out
  > >
  > >
  > > cheers David
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > On 14/09/2009, at 12:50 AM, Tristan wrote:
  > >
  > > > Hello David,
  > > >
  > > > Yes, I own both. The K2500 operating system and features are much more
  > > > sophisticated than the Emax 2 and the sound is also quite different.
  > > > The K2500 sample playback is very clean, and can of course be
  > > > processed by the VAST DSP engine, but lacks what I can only describe
  > > > as the grain and bite of the Emax 2. The K2500 can also only transpose
  > > > samples up about one octave (or two at reduced fidelity) whereas the
  > > > Emax 2 can go up 5 octaves. But the K2500 supports 44.1kHz and 48kHz
  > > > sampling rates and the sampling option provides digital I/O. When I
  > > > originally changed from an Emax 2 to a K2000 I must admit I was a bit
  > > > disappointed by the sound of the Kurzweil, but at today's prices you
  > > > can easily afford to have both :)
  > > >
  > > > --
  > > > Best regards,
  > > > Tristan mailto:tu@...
  > > >
  > > > Sunday, September 13, 2009, 9:49:30 PM, you wrote:
  > > >
  > > > >
  > > >
  > > > Can you tell me if the Kurzweil K2500 with sampling option is as nice
  > > > a sounding sampler as Emax 2
  > > > Anyone own both
  > > >
  > > > thanks in advance
  > > > David
  > > >
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  > > >
  > > >
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