Emax

Soundesigner of some versions require an Audiomedia 2 or Audiomedia 3 card
made by digidesign. Which is why I stuck with Alchemy, and didn't mess with
it, as I traded in my Audiomedia 3 PCI card for a Digi002 Rack a while
back.....

Regards,
Ted



On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:54 AM, thenewyorkcowboy <thenewyorkcowboy@...
> wrote:

>
>
> UPDATE: Sound Designer II 2.7 will not start on my G3 because I do not have
> a DSP card installed. Is the WINGS A/V personality card considered a DSP?
>
> And Alchemy 3.0 is up and running on OS 8.6! Looks like a prettier
> interface as well, nice modern colors....
>
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "thenewyorkcowboy"
> <thenewyorkcowboy@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well tried as I did, I could not get IE 5.1.7 to work correctly even
> after installing 10 new major security certificates, so it is going in the
> trash.
> >
> > I did find "Icab" 3.0.5 for Mac 8.6 and it installed fine, imported my
> bookmarks and allowed me to logon here so I am typing from my PPC, yay! I
> also found Netscape 7.02 for Mac 8.6 and will try that one out as well since
> it is based on Gecko, but there is a huge difference in file size, 19.9MB
> for the installer compared to just 3MB for Icab. I will be playing with both
> now and see which one has more problems with pages elsewhere and then decide
> on the default, but NS7.02 is much older (Aug.'04) than Icab which was
> released Jan.'08 so I am initially leaning towards Icab but I will report
> back at some point if there exists some worthwhile advantages.
> >
> > But for now, I downloaded Alchemy and SD, and will be taking them through
> an initial run to verify 8.6 compatibility and will be soldering up a cable
> this week.
> >
> > In the meantime, could someone upload a verified .iso image of a CD image
> created with EMXP that is working for them? My next step from here is to
> determine which of my SCSI CD ROMs can actually be recognized by my EmaxII
> and load a bank. I've burned 2 discs already and neither seem to be
> recognized, so I want to make sure that I actually have a valid image to
> compare. Also, is there a certain way to burn the file system, ISO 9660,
> Joliet, etc.? that the Emax needs to see? Maybe that is my mistake. Other
> options are session at once, disc at once, etc. If someone has some
> recommendations I would appreciate it.
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "thenewyorkcowboy"
> <thenewyorkcowboy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I would like to stay with 8.6 and not have to go backwards to 8.1,
> as 8.6 can support USB PCI cards. I first have to resolve this browser
> problem which I have found out through more research that the trouble I am
> having is a combination of a dead PRAM battery so I have to order one, as
> the time and date has to match for proper security certificates, then I have
> to get the new certificates into IE 5.1.7 If all goes right I will be able
> to surf all the newer sites without problem.
> > >
> > > If I accomplish all that then I will probably install a different hard
> drive so I will have the room for two volumes within the first 7GB which is
> recommended, and then have the other volume for the storage area. I have a
> Rev. C board so I should not have any problems with drive configurations.
> I'll let you know how it goes.
> > >
> > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, Ted Summers
> <djtbs1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I had a Beige G3, that is the last that had the ports, though you
> > > > could add them to a G3 blue and white or a G4 sawtooth.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think Alchemy worked with OS 9, or it had problems. Don't
> > > > recall exactly....
> > > > I have an Performa 6214CD just for the purpose of use with Emax.
> > > >
> > > > Running XP in a window on the the Beige is doable, but is slow. I had
>
> > > > a G4 / 500Mhz upgrade in it, but it didn't help that much.
> > > > You can't run earlier than OS 9 in classic.
> > > > That system can't be loaded with earlier than 8.1... and you have to
> > > > use a workaround to get Tiger to run on it.
> > > >
> > > > If you want OS X and OS 8.1 which does work with alchemy, put it on
> > > > two different volumes on the same hard drive.
> > > > That is one way to do it.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the Beige is limited to 137GB drive size on the IDE bus.....
> > > >
> > > > That is some of what I recall.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 5, 2009, at 5:01 PM, thenewyorkcowboy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, yes, the primary objective here is to figure out what is the
> > > > highest Mac OS that will still run both Alchemy and SD2.5. I have a
> > > > friend who has tons of Mac equipment and access to just about every
> OS
> > > > ever released, so I am looking for the highest functionality on my
> > > > Beige G3 Desktop. It can run OSX as per the Apple site, I have OS8.6
> > > > loaded right now, but I am wondering should I try and get it to 9.2.2
>
> > > > or go for OSX and run in classic mode, etc? The major difficulty I am
>
> > > > experiencing is that I just don't want a limited OS i.e. a dedicated
> > > > system just so I can play with sounds from the EmaxII. With the 8.6 I
>
> > > > have installed I can surf online with IE 5.1.7 for Mac, but I can't
> > > > log into this site for example because of security features that are
> > > > built in. The browser does not display Captchas and cannot deal with
> a
> > > > standard login with password either. So everything I have been doing
> > > > so far I have to do on the PC and then burn to CD and transfer it
> that
> > > > way.
> > > >
> > > > The other links were to simply verify up to what point the Mac
> > > > hardware still contained a 422/232 port for the cable assembly. My G3
>
> > > > has a 266cpu and 512mb of memory, but I can push it up to 768mb and
> > > > buy a ZIF upgrade to 1Ghz if it is going to be the last piece of
> > > > hardware that has the 422 port, then I could run OSX with ease plus
> > > > still have access to the functions of Alchemy and SD2.5. That way I
> > > > could use it with more utility and download the files directly, share
>
> > > > any new banks or samples, etc, without having to port them over to my
>
> > > > PC and such. So before I invest more $$ and time, I wanted to know
> the
> > > > last modern Mac with a 422 port that works and the highest OS that
> > > > still runs Alchemy and SD. In this way it would be also a neat feat
> to
> > > > use other software on the MAC to emulate a PC or make a virtual one
> so
> > > > that EMXP could run on it as well with omniflop and everything else.
> > > >
> > > > As for the 422 converter, would looking at the chip that MACs use
> > > > help? And are we going for USB connectivity or will the PC that uses
> > > > the converter need a serial port? Will a driver be written for Linux
> > > > as well? What about Windows 7? Those are mostly just thoughts
> rambling
> > > > about my head, not pressure or demands, just trying to get on the
> same
> > > > page as everyone else, that is why I did all that reading...;)
> > > >
> > > > Oh and THANKS! for the emulator archive link. I had seen that page
> > > > about two years ago, if I had remembered it I wouldn't have asked
> > > > about the cable.
> > > >
> > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "esynthesist"
> <esynthesist@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure what you are aiming to, based on all these messages
> > > > and information which you have been reading :-)
> > > > > - do you want to get Alchemy, SD, or any other vintage software
> > > > running with Emax/Emax-II connectivity on higher Mac versions ?
> > > > > - do you want to find out how to come up with a device supporting
> > > > externally clocked RS422 for use with any modern computer equipment ?
> > > > > - do you just basically want to get Alchemy, SD of any other
> > > > software running with Emax/Emax-II connectivity on a vintage Mac
> > > > (Classic, SE, ...) ?
> > > > > - do you want to make new software for communication between
> > > > computer and Emax/Emax-II ?
> > > > > - ...
> > > > >
> > > > > With respect to your questions, I can only answer the first two of
> > > > them:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1/ Yes, I have a minidin8 <--> DB9 cable perfectly working between
> > > > my Mac and my Emax/Emax-II. The cable specs are available on
> > > > emulatorarchive:
> > > > >
> http://www.emulatorarchive.com/Archives/Samplers/EmaxOverview/EmaxEditors/emaxeditors.html
> > > > > This obviously is the RS422 variant.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2/ Alchemy would be a better starting point in terms of native
> Emax-
> > > > II support but ONLY for sample transfer communication. If all
> possible
> > > > RS422 commands should be supported, then SoundDesigner for Emax is a
> > > > better choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that we are "only" one step away from new software running on
> > > > Windows XP/Vista (or Mac OS X or higher) which can communicate with
> > > > Emu samplers. The only missing part is an externally clockable RS422
> > > > port which can be put in between the Emax and the computer :-)
> > > > > I have already a working prototype communication software on my PC.
> > > > > A few days ago someone mailed me with the message that the KeySpan
> > > > XG 28 (USB/RS422) device for Mac probably supports external clocking.
>
> > > > But I don't know if this is true because when I was looking to its
> > > > specs a year ago, I read somewhere that synchronous communication is
> > > > NOT supported by that adapter. Also, this device - which is already
> > > > obsolete - was only released with Mac drivers, not Windows drivers.
> > > > > Of course it is not true to say that these externally clockable
> > > > RS422 ports for modern computers don't exist - in industrial apps
> they
> > > > are being used. But their price is way too high for us (500 USD...)
> > > > >
> > > > > I also have a prototype device here from a fellow member, but we
> > > > are still trying to get it working :-) Maybe I will connect my
> > > > Oscilloscope to that device this weekend, it's been a while...
> > > > >
> > > > > //E-Synthesist
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "thenewyorkcowboy" <thenewyorkcowboy@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This looks like a good time to interject a few questions...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is the page I started with:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/emax/message/4847
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I did my own research and found this page:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://support.apple.com/kb/SP130
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://lowendmac.com/tech/serial.shtml
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which I have...so I am convinced that the 8 pin mini din can
> > > > handle both RS422 and RS232 depending on the CABLE!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What they are talking about as the "obsolete" port is what is
> > > > considered a GeoPort, it only has 4 pins in the mini-Din. So anyone
> > > > who has 8 pin serial ports on any Mac can use either Sound Forge or
> > > > Alchemy...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It was said earlier in the posts that neither software can do
> > > > entire bank transfers, but I am not at that point yet...What I need
> is
> > > > someone to clarify these last questions I have before I am going to
> be
> > > > able to contribute something to the conversation...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On ANY Mac with the two "422 serial" ports (8 pin Mini Dins) it
> > > > certainly does seem true that they will accept up to a 2Mb external
> > > > clock.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did we get this pinout solved from post? I only have:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.interfacebus.com/Apple_MiniDIN_PinOut.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://saragossa.net/intfcing.html (scroll to far bottom)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to determine how to "make" a cable to connect to the Emax II
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and these posts to leave me wondering:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/emax/message/5241
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/emax/message/4789
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (and the following conversation that ensues)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and finally...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/emax/message/4838
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, I have to ask:::
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Has anyone actually built a Mini Din-8 cable to the EmaxII
> > > > serial port or a DB-9 serial, and got it to work with Alchemy? What
> > > > are the final pinouts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. I know what our Files section holds in the way of Alchemy and
> > > > Sound Designer...which is the 'best' version that we should be
> > > > focusing on as a prototype?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. The last question is a little more specific, if anyone has a
> > > > later MAC OS working with any of the software versions metioned in #2
>
> > > > above, what is it? Will MAC OS 9.2.2 work with Alchemy 2.5 through a
> > > > soldered MiniDin-8 to DB-9 cable to the EmaxII? Will OSX work in
> > > > classic mode?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These are the questions I need answered to port some more
> > > > information into the loop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kirk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, tu@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > According to the sysex spec, the Emax II can receive Emax I
> > > > compressed bank transfers. It needs
> > > > > > > to for compatibility with the RS422 CDROM drive! But it does
> > > > not support transmitting compressed
> > > > > > > banks or any transfer of 16 bit banks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sample transfer using high or low speed MMA sample dumping is
> > > > also limited to maximum sample
> > > > > > > size of 2M words (4MB in 16 bit samples). So an Emax II bank
> > > > containing a sample longer than this
> > > > > > > will not be possible to transfer over RS422 or MIDI. This would
>
> > > > not be a problem for most sample
> > > > > > > banks but does prevent a universal method of bank transfer
> > > > between the Emax II and a computer.
> > > > > > > The solution is of course to save such banks to disk and then
> > > > load from there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /Tristan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5th, 2009 at 8:33 AM, esynthesist <esynthesist@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alchemy doesn't support bank transfers with any sampler.
> > > > > > > > It only supports sample transfers, including an interesting
> > > > "bulk"
> > > > > > > > mode to transfer all samples at once. But that's still
> > > > without any of
> > > > > > > > the preset and voice parameters...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In fact no software supports bank transfers with the Emax-II.
> > > > > > > > I will add it to EMXP as soon as we get the RS422 device for
> > > > PC up
> > > > > > > > and running...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ///E-Synthesist
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "John"
> <jrb1864@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Does Alchemy support bank transfers to and from Emax 2? How
>
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > depth are the sample edit features?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Rish" <rish@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hey If anyone needs the Alchemy ver 3.0 full manual I
> > > > have 5 of
> > > > > > > > them available.
> > > > > > > > > > Richard at www.Route66studios.com<http://www.route66studios.com/>
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: sanctifiedone@
> > > > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:56 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax II with MAC Se
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I love posts like this one from Ted. And while I'm at it,
> I
> > > > > > > > also want to express my appreciation for group members like
> > > > Dave
> > > > > > > > willing to help me untangle my EMAX II problems.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Ted Summers" <djtbs1@>
> > > > > > > > > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2009 11:58:49 AM GMT -05:00
> > > > > > > > US/Canada Eastern
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [emax] Emax II with MAC Se
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Alchemy software v3.0 sit is in the groups files section,
>
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > it works......
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Ted
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:57 AM, John <jrb1864@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have an Emax 2 with 2mb ram, jazz drives, floppies,
> > > > cables
> > > > > > > > and connector
> > > > > > > > > > > cable to the MAC.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I had a dream...a dream of running my Emax 2 with sound
> > > > > > > > designer or
> > > > > > > > > > > Alchemy. Alas no luck, I only have Sound Designer
> > > > Universal
> > > > > > > > and it's not
> > > > > > > > > > > working with the EMAX 2.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have Sound Designer Universal in the box, original
> > > > disks
> > > > > > > > etc, a MAC SE,
> > > > > > > > > > > systems 6, and 7 but unable to find the Alchemy
> > > > software or
> > > > > > > > Sound Designer
> > > > > > > > > > > that works with Emax 2.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If I can't get it all to work I will give up on this
> > > > dream
> > > > > > > > and sell the lot
> > > > > > > > > > > to someone, preferably on the forum, with love,
> > > > patience, and
> > > > > > > > abilities to
> > > > > > > > > > > make this system work and send me photos! LOL!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you have the software I need or time and willingness
>
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > help me through
> > > > > > > > > > > it I would appreciate otherwise I'm selling it all for
> > > > $350
> > > > > > > > plus shipping
> > > > > > > > > > > costs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks all! Maybe one day.....
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo<http://www.silveriafamily.comyahoo/>!
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