Emax

I think that back then the ADC in the samplers were just built to a higher standard because they were new and chasing the best fidelity to cost ratio, the technology hadn't developed enough to make them cheaper. 
 
Just my theory though.
 



To: emax@yahoogroups.com
From: jammie.emma@....uk
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:59:30 +0000
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: How can I dither samples to 12 bit for EMAX?


  



for me its the outputs that give the emax sound and the e chip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: el macaco 
To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: [emax] Re: How can I dither samples to 12 bit for EMAX?

Agree 100%. Transfering samples in sounds good/ok. Sampling in is the business, sounds SO GOOD, over driven, clean, whatever, the ADC is the gold in the Emax for me.

> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> From: francis.cote@...
> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:53:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [emax] Re: How can I dither samples to 12 bit for EMAX?
> 
> It's great you found a solution.
> 
> Understand I don't agree or disagree, I just want to take
> this opportunity to ask others how they feel about what I'm about to write.
> 
> I feel that if you are bypassing part of the sampling process of a hardware
> sampler, be it an Emax, E4, Akai, whatever, you are also bypassing part of
> the character of the machine as well. This is, again that's me, what makes
> an Emax an Emax.
> 
> What do you people think?
> 
> 
> Francis
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM, zrennaya <zrennaya@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Thanks for your input! I gave up on the 12 bit render thing as you
> > mentioned there's no tool that converts to 12 bits.
> >
> > On the other hand I experimented with some dithering types and I actually
> > managed to reach the quality of factory samples in terms of noise and
> > aliasing (using the L1). So far I couldn't get that quality from the emax
> > ADC inputs!
> >
> > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > there 8bits compressed then the e chip renders the 8bit compressed audio
> > to 12bit digital output that the dacs render to analog then they go to the
> > filters
> > >
> > > there are no reconstruction filters for aliasing or stepping of the dac
> > waveforms aand rely on the analog filters to do this
> > >
> > > where as most samplers use a reconstruction filter to filter out these
> > stepped artifacts and aliasing
> > >
> > > now the korg dss1 is 12bits but they still use 16bit memory same as the
> > ensoniq eps just 0 after the 12bits
> > >
> > > there is no 12bit convertors if you want the 12bits then you need to use
> > the internal adc and inputs
> > >
> > > as the dump will be 16bits and emxp converts to the 8bit compressed
> > format
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: zrennaya
> > > To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 12:34 PM
> > > Subject: [emax] How can I dither samples to 12 bit for EMAX?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello to all,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to convert my WAV files for the Emax but keep running into
> > the same issue. I have a mac running Logic which would allow me to bounce
> > either 8 bit or 16 bit wav but not 12 bit. The Waves L1 plugin does 12 bit
> > quantize with dither and noise shaping but it's useless, since I can only
> > bounce the results in either 8 or 16 bits. The problem with this is that
> > the 8 bit renders are way too lo-fi and the 16 bit ones will automatically
> > reduce with no dithering in EMXP when I transfer them to EM1 floppys on my
> > PC and the no-dither artifacts are audible again. This is very audible in
> > percussive samples. Simply recording them through the Emax input won't help
> > either..
> > >
> > > So I read it on a site about s900 samplers using 12 bit samples that
> > mixing white noise into the audio at very low levels can actually do the
> > same as dithering (don't quite understand why), tried that, same results
> > except I had slightly noisier samples then :)
> > >
> > > I'm starting to wonder if Emax uses 12 bit samples at all. It' a little
> > confusing that it it uses 12 bit audio "stored" in 8 bits, or as I read
> > somewhere else, it uses 8 bit samples with 12 bit converters?!
> > >
> > > If 8 bit is the case, how come I cannot convert premium quality samples,
> > using great quality dithering and noise shaping to 8 bit and still not get
> > the cleanness of the factory Emax samples? Or if it's 12 bit, how can I
> > render my samples to 12 bit and not let EMXP mess up my 16 bit samples?
> > I've tried some of the Sound Designer installs available here, but couldn't
> > get them to work on either the mac classic emulator for windows, or
> > emulators for OSX. It seems like I must have been a programmer to be able
> > to get them running so I gave up. Does anyone know of alternatives?
> > >
> > > Thank you for your attention!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> > 
> >
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