Emax

Has anyone had any luck or problems with using the clock out on an EMAX 
to trigger a piece of analog gear, I.E. Sequential Circuits Pro1- I 
plug the clock out into the CV in and get nothing. Are these two jus 
incompatible, or is there something I could be doing wrong, note I have 
used a TR606 to clock the pro 1- thanks for your help

joe bear

I have an Emax SE keyboard. I found a "non-working" emax rack HD on  
ebay.
Exterior not in too good shape as it was further damaged in shipping.  
Fuse holder missing - no wonder it "doesn't turn on" according to  
seller.

Hard Drive is dead (multiple blinks- I have seen this before in old  
macs), and system hangs on Diagnostics. This is fine so far.

I want to make my Emax SE keyboard an SE HD. It has a PC333 board.
I have 2 of the miniscribe 20MB drives that are known working.... I  
have a brand new SCSI 5380 chip.
So I drop in IC13 and IC49 from the rack board. Install the SCSI  
5380, and cabling. Install known good HD.

I can boot normal SE1.1 OS disk.
Floppy drive is NOT bad- it is brand new, as I put it in recently (I  
know how to change the ID0 on new drives to work in emax)

I try to make an SE1.1 HD disk with EMX in DOS 6.22.
Tried formatting on Emax first, as well as formatting with EMX.

Symptom:
See "Loading Software" and hear floppy disk loading.. normal sounds -  
3 times it makes the not strange loading a floppy does. Then it just  
stops.

Now to the question: Is the EMX program just not properly making the  
OS disk?

While I am using MS-DOS 6.22, does the PC speed have anything to do  
with a successful OS creation? The PC is a 2.8Ghz P4.

I dunno if it will make a difference, but I will try on a P1/233Mhz  
tomorrow at work.

Thanks,
Ted

I have a very similar problem.  I picked up an emax hd keyboard.  
Everything turns on but I can't get it to boot.

This is what I've tried:

Making two os disks (emax hd and emax hd se, just in case) under dos 
6.22 using emx.

Result: disk not formatted/loading software (stuck)

I also used emxp and a different drive ( fd-23hf with id set to 0 ) 
both for formatting from a computer and then for booting from the 
emax... nothing.

Result: loading software (stuck)

I tried pushing the chips and pulling on them a little just to make 
sure there were no old/bad connections. I also reconnected all the 
cables... nothing

Result: loading software STUCK!!!!

Does anybody have any suggestions of what to do?  BTW, I tried both 
ds/dd and hd floppies.


--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "ted Summers" <djtbs1@...> wrote:
>
> I have an Emax SE keyboard. I found a "non-working" emax rack HD 
on  
> ebay.
> Exterior not in too good shape as it was further damaged in 
shipping.  
> Fuse holder missing - no wonder it "doesn't turn on" according to  
> seller.
> 
> Hard Drive is dead (multiple blinks- I have seen this before in 
old  
> macs), and system hangs on Diagnostics. This is fine so far.
> 
> I want to make my Emax SE keyboard an SE HD. It has a PC333 board.
> I have 2 of the miniscribe 20MB drives that are known working.... 
I  
> have a brand new SCSI 5380 chip.
> So I drop in IC13 and IC49 from the rack board. Install the SCSI  
> 5380, and cabling. Install known good HD.
> 
> I can boot normal SE1.1 OS disk.
> Floppy drive is NOT bad- it is brand new, as I put it in recently 
(I  
> know how to change the ID0 on new drives to work in emax)
> 
> I try to make an SE1.1 HD disk with EMX in DOS 6.22.
> Tried formatting on Emax first, as well as formatting with EMX.
> 
> Symptom:
> See "Loading Software" and hear floppy disk loading.. normal 
sounds -  
> 3 times it makes the not strange loading a floppy does. Then it 
just  
> stops.
> 
> Now to the question: Is the EMX program just not properly making 
the  
> OS disk?
> 
> While I am using MS-DOS 6.22, does the PC speed have anything to 
do  
> with a successful OS creation? The PC is a 2.8Ghz P4.
> 
> I dunno if it will make a difference, but I will try on a 
P1/233Mhz  

> tomorrow at work.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ted
>

I overcame my problems.

Key info here:
if you are going to use external zip drive, you want the Emax PLUS OS  
1.0 software. This allows external scsi to work.
Go to an OLD PC (like a 200MHZ or something) to make the floppy.

That is what worked for me.

If the floppy starts and does the 3 clicks, the floppy controller is  
fine. The floppy controller chip is a WD1772, it is available on the  
web, but I really don't think that is your problem.

Failing that, you will have to have someone send you a floppy for the  
$5.....

I've actually tried making the disks on other older computers... I guess 
they weren't old enough.

The only thing left to do is order an emax hd-made OS from somebody and see 
if that works.

Just out of curiosity: how many people have managed to make OS disks on 
modern/fast computers under DOS 6.22 or EMXP?

>From: "ted Summers" <djtbs1@...>
>Reply-To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax SE HD OS problem
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:32:01 -0700
>
>I overcame my problems.
>
>Key info here:
>if you are going to use external zip drive, you want the Emax PLUS OS
>1.0 software. This allows external scsi to work.
>Go to an OLD PC (like a 200MHZ or something) to make the floppy.
>
>That is what worked for me.
>
>If the floppy starts and does the 3 clicks, the floppy controller is
>fine. The floppy controller chip is a WD1772, it is available on the
>web, but I really don't think that is your problem.
>
>Failing that, you will have to have someone send you a floppy for the
>$5.....

update: just formatted 6 floppies using emx on a 233mhz computer under dos 
6.22... still getting the three ticks from the floppy and then stuck on the 
"software loading" screen....

>From: "Marco Barcena" <digitailslide@...>
>Reply-To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax SE HD OS problem
>Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:13:35 -0700
>
>I've actually tried making the disks on other older computers... I guess
>they weren't old enough.
>
>The only thing left to do is order an emax hd-made OS from somebody and see
>if that works.
>
>Just out of curiosity: how many people have managed to make OS disks on
>modern/fast computers under DOS 6.22 or EMXP?
>
>
>
>
> >From: "ted Summers" <djtbs1@...>
> >Reply-To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> >To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax SE HD OS problem
> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:32:01 -0700
> >
> >I overcame my problems.
> >
> >Key info here:
> >if you are going to use external zip drive, you want the Emax PLUS OS
> >1.0 software. This allows external scsi to work.
> >Go to an OLD PC (like a 200MHZ or something) to make the floppy.
> >
> >That is what worked for me.
> >
> >If the floppy starts and does the 3 clicks, the floppy controller is
> >fine. The floppy controller chip is a WD1772, it is available on the
> >web, but I really don't think that is your problem.
> >
> >Failing that, you will have to have someone send you a floppy for the
> >$5.....
>
>

There is definitely a problem with formatting disks for EMAX samplers 
on a PC (both EMX and EMXP). I've got 3 EMAX-II samplers and 1 EMAX-
SE sampler. All EMAX-II samplers can read/write EMX formatted disks, 
but the EMAX-SE fails most of the time (=3 ticks). 
I overcame the problem by formatting a disk on an EMAX-II and writing 
the EMAXSE OS to that disk using EMXP. This works fine. But of course 
you need an EMAX-II to do that :-)
What I didn't try yet is formatting a disk from the already booted 
EMAX-SE and try to reboot from that disk. I'll check this.

When I have time I'll try to further investigate what causes the 
incompatibility with EMAX-I sampler floppy drives. I tried some 
things before (when writing the first version of EMXP) but I didn't 
own an EMAX-SE that time so it was not easy to do some tests.

I think you also mentioned somewhere else that the LED of the 
floppydrive is always on. I don't think that's a problem: the LED on 
mine is also always on (except when power is off :-)

I also hoped to be able to solve this kind of problems for EMAX 
samplers having an external SCSI interface. I was going to put a 
format function for zip disks in EMXP, so that floppies would not be 
required anymore. But I didn't manage to build that feature - still 
trying though... 

Good luck

///E-Synthesist 
--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Barcena" <digitailslide@...> 
wrote:
>
> I've actually tried making the disks on other older computers... I 
guess 
> they weren't old enough.
> 
> The only thing left to do is order an emax hd-made OS from somebody 
and see 
> if that works.
> 
> Just out of curiosity: how many people have managed to make OS 
disks on 
> modern/fast computers under DOS 6.22 or EMXP?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "ted Summers" <djtbs1@...>
> >Reply-To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> >To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax SE HD OS problem
> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:32:01 -0700
> >
> >I overcame my problems.
> >
> >Key info here:
> >if you are going to use external zip drive, you want the Emax PLUS 
OS
> >1.0 software. This allows external scsi to work.
> >Go to an OLD PC (like a 200MHZ or something) to make the floppy.
> >
> >That is what worked for me.
> >
> >If the floppy starts and does the 3 clicks, the floppy controller 
is
> >fine. The floppy controller chip is a WD1772, it is available on 
the
> >web, but I really don't think that is your problem.
> >
> >Failing that, you will have to have someone send you a floppy for 
the
> >$5.....
>

Well, atleast now I feel more like it may just be an OS/floppy 
problem and not a floppy drive or other more-serious thing.

Thanks everybody for the input!  I'll update this when/if I get this 
thing fixed.



--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "elmacaco" <elmacaco@...> wrote:
>
> For What It's worth I always used EMX with disks formatted in the 
Emax I itself.  I got the plus OS to work once and since then I 
haven't been able to write an OS from EMX.  Perhaps even those 
without an SE /HD should try writing the Plus OS?  then once it boots 
you can format floppies and possibly load other OS's?
> 
> I do have a bunch of Emax disks with various different OS's that 
all boot on my machine, so if anyone needs a particular OS I most 
likely have it, the deal is still the same though.  
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: esynthesist 
>   To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:56 PM
>   Subject: [emax] Re: Emax SE HD OS problem
> 
> 
>   There is definitely a problem with formatting disks for EMAX 
samplers 
>   on a PC (both EMX and EMXP). I've got 3 EMAX-II samplers and 1 
EMAX-
>   SE sampler. All EMAX-II samplers can read/write EMX formatted 
disks, 
>   but the EMAX-SE fails most of the time (=3 ticks). 
>   I overcame the problem by formatting a disk on an EMAX-II and 
writing 
>   the EMAXSE OS to that disk using EMXP. This works fine. But of 
course 
>   you need an EMAX-II to do that :-)
>   What I didn't try yet is formatting a disk from the already 
booted 
>   EMAX-SE and try to reboot from that disk. I'll check this.
> 
>   When I have time I'll try to further investigate what causes the 
>   incompatibility with EMAX-I sampler floppy drives. I tried some 
>   things before (when writing the first version of EMXP) but I 
didn't 
>   own an EMAX-SE that time so it was not easy to do some tests.
> 
>   I think you also mentioned somewhere else that the LED of the 
>   floppydrive is always on. I don't think that's a problem: the LED 
on 
>   mine is also always on (except when power is off :-)
> 
>   I also hoped to be able to solve this kind of problems for EMAX 
>   samplers having an external SCSI interface. I was going to put a 
>   format function for zip disks in EMXP, so that floppies would not 
be 
>   required anymore. But I didn't manage to build that feature - 
still 
>   trying though... 
> 
>   Good luck
> 
>   ///E-Synthesist 
>   --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Barcena" <digitailslide@> 
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > I've actually tried making the disks on other older 
computers... I 
>   guess 
>   > they weren't old enough.
>   > 
>   > The only thing left to do is order an emax hd-made OS from 
somebody 
>   and see 
>   > if that works.
>   > 
>   > Just out of curiosity: how many people have managed to make OS 
>   disks on 
>   > modern/fast computers under DOS 6.22 or EMXP?
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > >From: "ted Summers" <djtbs1@>
>   > >Reply-To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>   > >To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>   > >Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax SE HD OS problem
>   > >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:32:01 -0700
>   > >
>   > >I overcame my problems.
>   > >
>   > >Key info here:
>   > >if you are going to use external zip drive, you want the Emax 
PLUS 
>   OS
>   > >1.0 software. This allows external scsi to work.
>   > >Go to an OLD PC (like a 200MHZ or something) to make the 
floppy.
>   > >
>   > >That is what worked for me.
>   > >
>   > >If the floppy starts and does the 3 clicks, the floppy 
controller 
>   is
>   > >fine. The floppy controller chip is a WD1772, it is available 
on 
>   the
>   > >web, but I really don't think that is your problem.
>   > >
>   > >Failing that, you will have to have someone send you a floppy 
for 
>   the
>   > >$5.....
>   >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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For What It's worth I always used EMX with disks formatted in the Emax I itself.  I got the plus OS to work once and since then I haven't been able to write an OS from EMX.  Perhaps even those without an SE /HD should try writing the Plus OS?  then once it boots you can format floppies and possibly load other OS's?

I do have a bunch of Emax disks with various different OS's that all boot on my machine, so if anyone needs a particular OS I most likely have it, the deal is still the same though.  

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: esynthesist 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:56 PM
  Subject: [emax] Re: Emax SE HD OS problem


  There is definitely a problem with formatting disks for EMAX samplers 
  on a PC (both EMX and EMXP). I've got 3 EMAX-II samplers and 1 EMAX-
  SE sampler. All EMAX-II samplers can read/write EMX formatted disks, 
  but the EMAX-SE fails most of the time (=3 ticks). 
  I overcame the problem by formatting a disk on an EMAX-II and writing 
  the EMAXSE OS to that disk using EMXP. This works fine. But of course 
  you need an EMAX-II to do that :-)
  What I didn't try yet is formatting a disk from the already booted 
  EMAX-SE and try to reboot from that disk. I'll check this.

  When I have time I'll try to further investigate what causes the 
  incompatibility with EMAX-I sampler floppy drives. I tried some 
  things before (when writing the first version of EMXP) but I didn't 
  own an EMAX-SE that time so it was not easy to do some tests.

  I think you also mentioned somewhere else that the LED of the 
  floppydrive is always on. I don't think that's a problem: the LED on 
  mine is also always on (except when power is off :-)

  I also hoped to be able to solve this kind of problems for EMAX 
  samplers having an external SCSI interface. I was going to put a 
  format function for zip disks in EMXP, so that floppies would not be 
  required anymore. But I didn't manage to build that feature - still 
  trying though... 

  Good luck

  ///E-Synthesist 
  --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Barcena" <digitailslide@...> 
  wrote:
  >
  > I've actually tried making the disks on other older computers... I 
  guess 
  > they weren't old enough.
  > 
  > The only thing left to do is order an emax hd-made OS from somebody 
  and see 
  > if that works.
  > 
  > Just out of curiosity: how many people have managed to make OS 
  disks on 
  > modern/fast computers under DOS 6.22 or EMXP?
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > >From: "ted Summers" <djtbs1@...>
  > >Reply-To: emax@yahoogroups.com
  > >To: emax@yahoogroups.com
  > >Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax SE HD OS problem
  > >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:32:01 -0700
  > >
  > >I overcame my problems.
  > >
  > >Key info here:
  > >if you are going to use external zip drive, you want the Emax PLUS 
  OS
  > >1.0 software. This allows external scsi to work.
  > >Go to an OLD PC (like a 200MHZ or something) to make the floppy.
  > >
  > >That is what worked for me.
  > >
  > >If the floppy starts and does the 3 clicks, the floppy controller 
  is
  > >fine. The floppy controller chip is a WD1772, it is available on 
  the
  > >web, but I really don't think that is your problem.
  > >
  > >Failing that, you will have to have someone send you a floppy for 
  the
  > >$5.....
  >






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