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Emax II Sampling, assigning keys, saving won't work, please help.

Emax II Sampling, assigning keys, saving won't work, please help.

2008-11-15 by pauldays1

I own several keyboards, the manual IS easy as pie, but i am starting
to think there might be something wrong with my EMAX II.

I sampled the sound that i want, great.

Then I go to DIGITAL PROCESSING - TRUNCATE, great.  Then I save the
present, it will not save the truncation.

So I keep reading:

"assigning the sampled sound to other portions of the keyboard (SAMPLE
2),"

I select the range that I want, heck ANY range, and it will only sound
on the default range G1...

Anybody willing to guide me a bit, I'd appreciate the time and effort.
 Out of my 3 keyboards, the emax is the only one that's giving me
problems to even use.

Cheers,

Paul

Re: [emax] Emax II Sampling, assigning keys, saving won't work, please help.

2008-11-15 by Dave Sotnick

You need to set the key BEFORE you sample (SAMPLE 2)

-or-

You need to go into Preset Definition 2 (Edit Assignment) after
sampling to move it to a new key range.

Check the Preset Definition section of the manual, as this is from
memory and I have an Emax I (which is basically the same OS as the
Emax II).

-Dave
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:52 PM, pauldays1 <pauldays1@...> wrote:
> I own several keyboards, the manual IS easy as pie, but i am starting
> to think there might be something wrong with my EMAX II.
>
> I sampled the sound that i want, great.
>
> Then I go to DIGITAL PROCESSING - TRUNCATE, great. Then I save the
> present, it will not save the truncation.
>
> So I keep reading:
>
> "assigning the sampled sound to other portions of the keyboard (SAMPLE
> 2),"
>
> I select the range that I want, heck ANY range, and it will only sound
> on the default range G1...
>
> Anybody willing to guide me a bit, I'd appreciate the time and effort.
> Out of my 3 keyboards, the emax is the only one that's giving me
> problems to even use.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
>

Re: Emax II Sampling, assigning keys, saving won't work, please help.

2008-11-17 by pauldays1

Hello Dave,

I did go to EditAssignment, I select the primary Voice which is by
default in G1, now, i want to shift that whole voice/bank to a higher
octave because i need an octave lower, hence two banks on the keyboard.  

I select the new Lo in the range and it prompts "illegal assignment",
also when I select the "Hi", it will only let me shift octaves inside
the original bank?  The manual is very easy reading but it doesn't
explain.

Also again, I truncate the loop i select, but I cant save it.  When I
exit the "Sample" Module, there is the loop without truncation.  How
do I go from truncate directly to save preset.

THanks, and sorry for the trouble, i really am a newbie in Emax, LOL,
need help with Rolands...hollar. LOL


--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Sotnick" <sotnickd@...> wrote:
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>
> You need to set the key BEFORE you sample (SAMPLE 2)
> 
> -or-
> 
> You need to go into Preset Definition 2 (Edit Assignment) after
> sampling to move it to a new key range.
> 
> Check the Preset Definition section of the manual, as this is from
> memory and I have an Emax I (which is basically the same OS as the
> Emax II).
> 
> -Dave
> 
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:52 PM, pauldays1 <pauldays1@...> wrote:
> > I own several keyboards, the manual IS easy as pie, but i am starting
> > to think there might be something wrong with my EMAX II.
> >
> > I sampled the sound that i want, great.
> >
> > Then I go to DIGITAL PROCESSING - TRUNCATE, great. Then I save the
> > present, it will not save the truncation.
> >
> > So I keep reading:
> >
> > "assigning the sampled sound to other portions of the keyboard (SAMPLE
> > 2),"
> >
> > I select the range that I want, heck ANY range, and it will only sound
> > on the default range G1...
> >
> > Anybody willing to guide me a bit, I'd appreciate the time and effort.
> > Out of my 3 keyboards, the emax is the only one that's giving me
> > problems to even use.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
>

Re: [emax] Re: Emax II Sampling, assigning keys, saving won't work, please help.

2008-11-17 by Dave Sotnick

Okay, so I fired up my Emax so I could walk you through this...

First let me fix some terminology... On the Emax a Bank is a disk-full
of sounds. Inside a Bank is a Preset, and inside a Preset you have
voices. Each voice (either primary or secondary) has a range of keys
assigned to it, and a sample. If you want to layer two samples on the
same keys, you use the primary and secondary voice to do so. There is
a nice diagram in the manual that explains which parameters are stored
inside Presets, versus Voices, etc. Think of it as a hierarchy.

So let's say you have a sample on G1 with the Lo key of C1 and the Hi
key of B1. When you go to Edit Assignment (Preset Definition 2) you
see:

Edit: C1 (this is the Lo note of the voice you're selecting)
Pri: 01 (this is the voice #, starting with 1 and incrementing as you
add voices [think of voices as samples]) Orig: G1 (this is the "base
note" or the original note for the sample)

Select the voice by pressing Enter, and then you see:

Orig   Lo   Hi   Chs
G1   C1   B1   1->8

Now here's where the confusion starts: you can't just change the Lo or
Hi without taking into account the fact that the Emax has limited
upward transposition ranges depending on sample rate. So if the sample
rate is 28k an you try to just change the Hi note to anything above
D#2, you'll get an "Illegal Assignment" error. This is simply because
the upper sample playback rate won't allow you to transpose a sample
at 28k up that high. The lower the original sample rate, the greater
the upward transposition.

So, in order to "move" the whole voice upwards to have Orig, Lo, Hi of
"G2 C2 B2", you need to do the following -- IN THIS ORDER:

Change the Orig to G2, change the Hi to B2, change the Lo to C2.

Now you hit Enter and it saves the new note range for the voice.

As far as Truncating goes:

Truncating is not done in the Sample module, it's done in Digital
Processing. Here's a step-by-step (with looping if you want):

Go to Digital Processing

Select the voice you want to edit (again voice = sample)

Press 1 for truncate. Adjust the beginning and end samples, you can
preview the note (only the one voice you're editing) using the
keyboard. When you have a good truncate point, hit enter, and answer
"Yes" to make truncate permanent (unless you want to have another
voice use this sample with a longer sample length/truncate point --
but that is just going to confuse things so we'll just say Yes to make
permanent).

Now press 2 for Looping. Adjust your beginning and end loop points,
and press enter. Choose "no" for autoloop, and choose "no" for
truncate after loop, since you already truncated in the step above. If
you want to just skip the truncate step, you could choose "Yes" here,
and everything after the loop end point will be truncated.

Now the voice is permanently truncated and the loop is in place (but
can be turned off if you like by choosing "4" in Digital processing,
where you turn loops on/off.

The Emax allows for release loops also, which are different loops that
only take effect after you release the key. You must use a longer
release time in the ADSR amplitude envelope to see this in effect.

Start with the above and let me know how you get on.

-Dave

P.S. Sorry if I see this as overly simple -- I've been using an Emax
for over 20 years now ;-)

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