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Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-07-30 by s*

I picked up a CF card reader from SCSIforSamplers.com:

http://www.scsiforsamplers.com/cfcard.asp

I own 2 Emax II's (1 x 8mb Rack and 1 x 1mb Keyboard) and an e6400 (128mb).

I couldn't afford 3 card readers at the moment but, I do have a few SCSI
enclosures that I wasn't using so, I decided I would buy one card reader and
install it in the enclosure myself.  JD at SCSIforSamplers was very helpful
and answered all my questions very quickly.  After the card reader was
installed, I had a few problems formatting the CF card on the Emax II but,
soon came to the conclusion that it must be the card itself.  After digging
through the Emax archives a bit I noticed that a few of you mentioned that
the CF card needed to be somewhat specific.  Since the original Emax II HD
is 540mb's, I figured I would need to find a smaller card (although finding
cards under 1GB is not that easy these days unless you go online to find
them).  I ended up going to several computer stores in Toronto and was
laughed at by most computer store employees because they could not
understand why i would be searching for something so obsolete.  I finally
found 1 place that had a 128MB Apacer CF card.  The guy sold it to me for $5
tax in.  Later that day I found a few 512MB generic cards for $5 a piece as
well (although I knew they probably would not work).  All the cards I have
seem to work fine on the e6400 but not the Emax II.  Only the Apacer 128mb
seems to format/read/write OK.  I have a friend bringing me a 512mb SanDisk
to work tomorrow.  My goal was to create Emax II format cards as the e6400
can also read this format.  Now what I have done is connected the card
reader to a DB25 switch box and I can now create Emax II samples and flip
the switch and load them into either the e6400 or the other Emax II.  I also
have HD's in each of the machines and a Zip drive in the mix (although I
have had my share of HD's and Zips die over the years so, I think the more
backup I can have the better (and the CF card is silent which is another
bonus!)).  As well, I have card readers for both my Mac and PC so the next
step I guess is to dump some of my Emax archives onto the card using EMXP.

So far my opinion of the Card Reader is that it is totally worth the money.
The real tricky part is finding the compatible media for them!

-s*


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Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-07-30 by thenewyorkcowboy

After reading up on their card reader I've come to the conclusion that as more of us install CF readers (either externally or internally) in our Emax IIs, a chart would be in order to confirm compatibility of the actual CF cards we have tried with each setup.

Also, it would be nice to find the circuit or logic chip that determines any hot-swappability of the drives.  If the floppy can be hot-swappable, I don't see why we couldn't find a way of at least tricking the samplers to allow us to change cards while the unit is on.  The first idea that comes to mind for me is a momentary DPDT switch that kills the power to the reader, that you would hold down while you changed cards, and when released the reader would power back on.  I would hope that we could leave the drive select on that drive, but maybe we would have to change drives momentarily, power the reader off, switch cards, and release the button, then change back to the CF drive with drive select.

If something this simple were possible, then we could at least save a huge step of transferring the bank to a HDD or ZIP, having to power off the unit, change cards, and power back on to be able to shuffle samples between CF cards instead of always having to use EMXP.

I was also thinking of having two CF readers, but the ultimate result would be the same, having to power down the units entirely to be able to change even the first CF card...

Any ideas out there why a floppy (0) can hot swap and not SCSI 1-6?



--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "s*" <scartattack@...> wrote:

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>
> I picked up a CF card reader from SCSIforSamplers.com:
> 
> http://www.scsiforsamplers.com/cfcard.asp
> 
> I own 2 Emax II's (1 x 8mb Rack and 1 x 1mb Keyboard) and an e6400 (128mb).
> 
> I couldn't afford 3 card readers at the moment but, I do have a few SCSI
> enclosures that I wasn't using so, I decided I would buy one card reader and
> install it in the enclosure myself.  JD at SCSIforSamplers was very helpful
> and answered all my questions very quickly.  After the card reader was
> installed, I had a few problems formatting the CF card on the Emax II but,
> soon came to the conclusion that it must be the card itself.  After digging
> through the Emax archives a bit I noticed that a few of you mentioned that
> the CF card needed to be somewhat specific.  Since the original Emax II HD
> is 540mb's, I figured I would need to find a smaller card (although finding
> cards under 1GB is not that easy these days unless you go online to find
> them).  I ended up going to several computer stores in Toronto and was
> laughed at by most computer store employees because they could not
> understand why i would be searching for something so obsolete.  I finally
> found 1 place that had a 128MB Apacer CF card.  The guy sold it to me for $5
> tax in.  Later that day I found a few 512MB generic cards for $5 a piece as
> well (although I knew they probably would not work).  All the cards I have
> seem to work fine on the e6400 but not the Emax II.  Only the Apacer 128mb
> seems to format/read/write OK.  I have a friend bringing me a 512mb SanDisk
> to work tomorrow.  My goal was to create Emax II format cards as the e6400
> can also read this format.  Now what I have done is connected the card
> reader to a DB25 switch box and I can now create Emax II samples and flip
> the switch and load them into either the e6400 or the other Emax II.  I also
> have HD's in each of the machines and a Zip drive in the mix (although I
> have had my share of HD's and Zips die over the years so, I think the more
> backup I can have the better (and the CF card is silent which is another
> bonus!)).  As well, I have card readers for both my Mac and PC so the next
> step I guess is to dump some of my Emax archives onto the card using EMXP.
> 
> So far my opinion of the Card Reader is that it is totally worth the money.
> The real tricky part is finding the compatible media for them!
> 
> -s*
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-07-30 by Ted Summers

I can't directly comment on the emax2, but if it uses the same 5380 SCSI
controller, the SCSI bus controller does not implement hot swap capability,
I believe that is done in software or in the SCSI BIOS.
 Floppy drives have a signal on the bus called the "change line" that
indicates that you removed the disk and inserted a new one.
SCSI implementation on this IC doesn't have any sort of "changeline"....
Even so, the Emax 1 firmware doesn't implement removable media.....

From my experience with my Emax 1, I could swap the cards successfully
sometimes for formatting purposes (not always).
But if I had a card with banks, and swapped it, my Emax 1 still thought the
old catalog banks were there from its initial read, not new ones.

My MicroTech DPAI-SCSI has 2 slots, so I have 71 banks at 1 time (including
the floppy)- for me that is enough.....

I am using 32MB Sandisk Transflash on the Emax 1 with a generic 5 in 1
adapter. I have also used the Dazzle SD adapter as well.

Regards,
Ted
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:42 AM, thenewyorkcowboy <
thenewyorkcowboy@...> wrote:

>
>
> After reading up on their card reader I've come to the conclusion that as
> more of us install CF readers (either externally or internally) in our Emax
> IIs, a chart would be in order to confirm compatibility of the actual CF
> cards we have tried with each setup.
>
> Also, it would be nice to find the circuit or logic chip that determines
> any hot-swappability of the drives. If the floppy can be hot-swappable, I
> don't see why we couldn't find a way of at least tricking the samplers to
> allow us to change cards while the unit is on. The first idea that comes to
> mind for me is a momentary DPDT switch that kills the power to the reader,
> that you would hold down while you changed cards, and when released the
> reader would power back on. I would hope that we could leave the drive
> select on that drive, but maybe we would have to change drives momentarily,
> power the reader off, switch cards, and release the button, then change back
> to the CF drive with drive select.
>
> If something this simple were possible, then we could at least save a huge
> step of transferring the bank to a HDD or ZIP, having to power off the unit,
> change cards, and power back on to be able to shuffle samples between CF
> cards instead of always having to use EMXP.
>
> I was also thinking of having two CF readers, but the ultimate result would
> be the same, having to power down the units entirely to be able to change
> even the first CF card...
>
> Any ideas out there why a floppy (0) can hot swap and not SCSI 1-6?
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "s*" <scartattack@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I picked up a CF card reader from SCSIforSamplers.com:
> >
> > http://www.scsiforsamplers.com/cfcard.asp
> >
> > I own 2 Emax II's (1 x 8mb Rack and 1 x 1mb Keyboard) and an e6400
> (128mb).
> >
> > I couldn't afford 3 card readers at the moment but, I do have a few SCSI
> > enclosures that I wasn't using so, I decided I would buy one card reader
> and
> > install it in the enclosure myself. JD at SCSIforSamplers was very
> helpful
> > and answered all my questions very quickly. After the card reader was
> > installed, I had a few problems formatting the CF card on the Emax II
> but,
> > soon came to the conclusion that it must be the card itself. After
> digging
> > through the Emax archives a bit I noticed that a few of you mentioned
> that
> > the CF card needed to be somewhat specific. Since the original Emax II HD
> > is 540mb's, I figured I would need to find a smaller card (although
> finding
> > cards under 1GB is not that easy these days unless you go online to find
> > them). I ended up going to several computer stores in Toronto and was
> > laughed at by most computer store employees because they could not
> > understand why i would be searching for something so obsolete. I finally
> > found 1 place that had a 128MB Apacer CF card. The guy sold it to me for
> $5
> > tax in. Later that day I found a few 512MB generic cards for $5 a piece
> as
> > well (although I knew they probably would not work). All the cards I have
> > seem to work fine on the e6400 but not the Emax II. Only the Apacer 128mb
> > seems to format/read/write OK. I have a friend bringing me a 512mb
> SanDisk
> > to work tomorrow. My goal was to create Emax II format cards as the e6400
> > can also read this format. Now what I have done is connected the card
> > reader to a DB25 switch box and I can now create Emax II samples and flip
> > the switch and load them into either the e6400 or the other Emax II. I
> also
> > have HD's in each of the machines and a Zip drive in the mix (although I
> > have had my share of HD's and Zips die over the years so, I think the
> more
> > backup I can have the better (and the CF card is silent which is another
> > bonus!)). As well, I have card readers for both my Mac and PC so the next
> > step I guess is to dump some of my Emax archives onto the card using
> EMXP.
> >
> > So far my opinion of the Card Reader is that it is totally worth the
> money.
> > The real tricky part is finding the compatible media for them!
> >
> > -s*
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 
>


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Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-07-30 by jammie

its all down to the scsi interigator of the samplers some samplers only interigate at start up so if you switch of the cf card reader then it would not see it when switched back on unless you reboot the samplers some samplers like the later akai,s sxxxx range do interigate when you move from scsi id they have the option of mounting drive so it rescans the bus 
the kurzweil kxxxx has the same option as do the yamaha axxxx range

the problem with the cf-ide adaptors is that the cf is seen as the hard drive when removed it loses the drive

the scsi to pcmcia card drives are different as the scsi bus see,s the pcmcia interface and see,s this as the hard drive thats why it can see 2 drives with there own scsi id

removable media was not out when these samplers were built thats why they had fixed drives and why they only had 20mb capacity back then 20mb was massive in terms of storage same as samplers that had 32mb memory was seen as never needing to be surpassed but now we have samplers with 256mb memory and hard disk streaming

but back in 87 cdroms was the thing and hard drives was only for the rich as a hard drive was almost as expensive as the sampler its self

the scsi to ide adapters are for making a hard drive system into an bootable imbedded system  they used solidstate drives for this for military and dangerous locations were a ram drive was better with no moving parts to go wrong

they were also designed for using cheaper ide equivelants hard drives and cdroms because they were more mass produced for the pc market

they were never intended for use with samplers it was just us engineers and hobbyists that tried the cf-ide and scsi to ide cards with different samplers some cards work with some some cards work with others

i use both the acard and the iodata scsi -ide adapter cards as some work for 1 sampler type were as some work for others and it also depends on the cf-ide adapter and what cf cards are being used

i use type 1 san disk 32mb cards for the emax 
and i use 512mb type 1 for the emax 2 i found that the ultra type 2 cards are to fast for the scsi implimentation of the older samplers but they are good for the later models of  samplers

some only work externally especialy on the ensoniqs as the floppy drive power is boot driven from the rom and because of this there is a delay when switching on the machine and the floppy power bringing the scsi cf drive into play missing the interigator scsi buss scanner and so it says no drive

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ted Summers 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!


    I can't directly comment on the emax2, but if it uses the same 5380 SCSI
  controller, the SCSI bus controller does not implement hot swap capability,
  I believe that is done in software or in the SCSI BIOS.
  Floppy drives have a signal on the bus called the "change line" that
  indicates that you removed the disk and inserted a new one.
  SCSI implementation on this IC doesn't have any sort of "changeline"....
  Even so, the Emax 1 firmware doesn't implement removable media.....

  From my experience with my Emax 1, I could swap the cards successfully
  sometimes for formatting purposes (not always).
  But if I had a card with banks, and swapped it, my Emax 1 still thought the
  old catalog banks were there from its initial read, not new ones.

  My MicroTech DPAI-SCSI has 2 slots, so I have 71 banks at 1 time (including
  the floppy)- for me that is enough.....

  I am using 32MB Sandisk Transflash on the Emax 1 with a generic 5 in 1
  adapter. I have also used the Dazzle SD adapter as well.

  Regards,
  Ted
  On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:42 AM, thenewyorkcowboy <
  thenewyorkcowboy@...> wrote:

  >
  >
  > After reading up on their card reader I've come to the conclusion that as
  > more of us install CF readers (either externally or internally) in our Emax
  > IIs, a chart would be in order to confirm compatibility of the actual CF
  > cards we have tried with each setup.
  >
  > Also, it would be nice to find the circuit or logic chip that determines
  > any hot-swappability of the drives. If the floppy can be hot-swappable, I
  > don't see why we couldn't find a way of at least tricking the samplers to
  > allow us to change cards while the unit is on. The first idea that comes to
  > mind for me is a momentary DPDT switch that kills the power to the reader,
  > that you would hold down while you changed cards, and when released the
  > reader would power back on. I would hope that we could leave the drive
  > select on that drive, but maybe we would have to change drives momentarily,
  > power the reader off, switch cards, and release the button, then change back
  > to the CF drive with drive select.
  >
  > If something this simple were possible, then we could at least save a huge
  > step of transferring the bank to a HDD or ZIP, having to power off the unit,
  > change cards, and power back on to be able to shuffle samples between CF
  > cards instead of always having to use EMXP.
  >
  > I was also thinking of having two CF readers, but the ultimate result would
  > be the same, having to power down the units entirely to be able to change
  > even the first CF card...
  >
  > Any ideas out there why a floppy (0) can hot swap and not SCSI 1-6?
  >
  > --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "s*" <scartattack@...>
  > wrote:
  > >
  > > I picked up a CF card reader from SCSIforSamplers.com:
  > >
  > > http://www.scsiforsamplers.com/cfcard.asp
  > >
  > > I own 2 Emax II's (1 x 8mb Rack and 1 x 1mb Keyboard) and an e6400
  > (128mb).
  > >
  > > I couldn't afford 3 card readers at the moment but, I do have a few SCSI
  > > enclosures that I wasn't using so, I decided I would buy one card reader
  > and
  > > install it in the enclosure myself. JD at SCSIforSamplers was very
  > helpful
  > > and answered all my questions very quickly. After the card reader was
  > > installed, I had a few problems formatting the CF card on the Emax II
  > but,
  > > soon came to the conclusion that it must be the card itself. After
  > digging
  > > through the Emax archives a bit I noticed that a few of you mentioned
  > that
  > > the CF card needed to be somewhat specific. Since the original Emax II HD
  > > is 540mb's, I figured I would need to find a smaller card (although
  > finding
  > > cards under 1GB is not that easy these days unless you go online to find
  > > them). I ended up going to several computer stores in Toronto and was
  > > laughed at by most computer store employees because they could not
  > > understand why i would be searching for something so obsolete. I finally
  > > found 1 place that had a 128MB Apacer CF card. The guy sold it to me for
  > $5
  > > tax in. Later that day I found a few 512MB generic cards for $5 a piece
  > as
  > > well (although I knew they probably would not work). All the cards I have
  > > seem to work fine on the e6400 but not the Emax II. Only the Apacer 128mb
  > > seems to format/read/write OK. I have a friend bringing me a 512mb
  > SanDisk
  > > to work tomorrow. My goal was to create Emax II format cards as the e6400
  > > can also read this format. Now what I have done is connected the card
  > > reader to a DB25 switch box and I can now create Emax II samples and flip
  > > the switch and load them into either the e6400 or the other Emax II. I
  > also
  > > have HD's in each of the machines and a Zip drive in the mix (although I
  > > have had my share of HD's and Zips die over the years so, I think the
  > more
  > > backup I can have the better (and the CF card is silent which is another
  > > bonus!)). As well, I have card readers for both my Mac and PC so the next
  > > step I guess is to dump some of my Emax archives onto the card using
  > EMXP.
  > >
  > > So far my opinion of the Card Reader is that it is totally worth the
  > money.
  > > The real tricky part is finding the compatible media for them!
  > >
  > > -s*
  > >
  > >
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >
  >
  > 
  >

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RE: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-07-30 by el macaco

So if you switch SCSI ID's on the Emax I and put in a different Card it won't recognize it?  I've switched Zip disks that way before and It was fine, maybe even without changing the ID.  I only have one CF card in an external scsi box. so I can't check.

 

Jammie, does the emax internal cf card have the problem you mentioned with Ensoniqs?

 

 


 


To: emax@yahoogroups.com

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From: jammie.emma@...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:34:53 +0100
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

  



its all down to the scsi interigator of the samplers some samplers only interigate at start up so if you switch of the cf card reader then it would not see it when switched back on unless you reboot the samplers some samplers like the later akai,s sxxxx range do interigate when you move from scsi id they have the option of mounting drive so it rescans the bus 
the kurzweil kxxxx has the same option as do the yamaha axxxx range

the problem with the cf-ide adaptors is that the cf is seen as the hard drive when removed it loses the drive

the scsi to pcmcia card drives are different as the scsi bus see,s the pcmcia interface and see,s this as the hard drive thats why it can see 2 drives with there own scsi id

removable media was not out when these samplers were built thats why they had fixed drives and why they only had 20mb capacity back then 20mb was massive in terms of storage same as samplers that had 32mb memory was seen as never needing to be surpassed but now we have samplers with 256mb memory and hard disk streaming

but back in 87 cdroms was the thing and hard drives was only for the rich as a hard drive was almost as expensive as the sampler its self

the scsi to ide adapters are for making a hard drive system into an bootable imbedded system they used solidstate drives for this for military and dangerous locations were a ram drive was better with no moving parts to go wrong

they were also designed for using cheaper ide equivelants hard drives and cdroms because they were more mass produced for the pc market

they were never intended for use with samplers it was just us engineers and hobbyists that tried the cf-ide and scsi to ide cards with different samplers some cards work with some some cards work with others

i use both the acard and the iodata scsi -ide adapter cards as some work for 1 sampler type were as some work for others and it also depends on the cf-ide adapter and what cf cards are being used

i use type 1 san disk 32mb cards for the emax 
and i use 512mb type 1 for the emax 2 i found that the ultra type 2 cards are to fast for the scsi implimentation of the older samplers but they are good for the later models of samplers

some only work externally especialy on the ensoniqs as the floppy drive power is boot driven from the rom and because of this there is a delay when switching on the machine and the floppy power bringing the scsi cf drive into play missing the interigator scsi buss scanner and so it says no drive 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ted Summers 
To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

I can't directly comment on the emax2, but if it uses the same 5380 SCSI
controller, the SCSI bus controller does not implement hot swap capability,
I believe that is done in software or in the SCSI BIOS.
Floppy drives have a signal on the bus called the "change line" that
indicates that you removed the disk and inserted a new one.
SCSI implementation on this IC doesn't have any sort of "changeline"....
Even so, the Emax 1 firmware doesn't implement removable media.....

From my experience with my Emax 1, I could swap the cards successfully
sometimes for formatting purposes (not always).
But if I had a card with banks, and swapped it, my Emax 1 still thought the
old catalog banks were there from its initial read, not new ones.

My MicroTech DPAI-SCSI has 2 slots, so I have 71 banks at 1 time (including
the floppy)- for me that is enough.....

I am using 32MB Sandisk Transflash on the Emax 1 with a generic 5 in 1
adapter. I have also used the Dazzle SD adapter as well.

Regards,
Ted
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:42 AM, thenewyorkcowboy <
thenewyorkcowboy@...> wrote:

>
>
> After reading up on their card reader I've come to the conclusion that as
> more of us install CF readers (either externally or internally) in our Emax
> IIs, a chart would be in order to confirm compatibility of the actual CF
> cards we have tried with each setup.
>
> Also, it would be nice to find the circuit or logic chip that determines
> any hot-swappability of the drives. If the floppy can be hot-swappable, I
> don't see why we couldn't find a way of at least tricking the samplers to
> allow us to change cards while the unit is on. The first idea that comes to
> mind for me is a momentary DPDT switch that kills the power to the reader,
> that you would hold down while you changed cards, and when released the
> reader would power back on. I would hope that we could leave the drive
> select on that drive, but maybe we would have to change drives momentarily,
> power the reader off, switch cards, and release the button, then change back
> to the CF drive with drive select.
>
> If something this simple were possible, then we could at least save a huge
> step of transferring the bank to a HDD or ZIP, having to power off the unit,
> change cards, and power back on to be able to shuffle samples between CF
> cards instead of always having to use EMXP.
>
> I was also thinking of having two CF readers, but the ultimate result would
> be the same, having to power down the units entirely to be able to change
> even the first CF card...
>
> Any ideas out there why a floppy (0) can hot swap and not SCSI 1-6?
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "s*" <scartattack@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I picked up a CF card reader from SCSIforSamplers.com:
> >
> > http://www.scsiforsamplers.com/cfcard.asp
> >
> > I own 2 Emax II's (1 x 8mb Rack and 1 x 1mb Keyboard) and an e6400
> (128mb).
> >
> > I couldn't afford 3 card readers at the moment but, I do have a few SCSI
> > enclosures that I wasn't using so, I decided I would buy one card reader
> and
> > install it in the enclosure myself. JD at SCSIforSamplers was very
> helpful
> > and answered all my questions very quickly. After the card reader was
> > installed, I had a few problems formatting the CF card on the Emax II
> but,
> > soon came to the conclusion that it must be the card itself. After
> digging
> > through the Emax archives a bit I noticed that a few of you mentioned
> that
> > the CF card needed to be somewhat specific. Since the original Emax II HD
> > is 540mb's, I figured I would need to find a smaller card (although
> finding
> > cards under 1GB is not that easy these days unless you go online to find
> > them). I ended up going to several computer stores in Toronto and was
> > laughed at by most computer store employees because they could not
> > understand why i would be searching for something so obsolete. I finally
> > found 1 place that had a 128MB Apacer CF card. The guy sold it to me for
> $5
> > tax in. Later that day I found a few 512MB generic cards for $5 a piece
> as
> > well (although I knew they probably would not work). All the cards I have
> > seem to work fine on the e6400 but not the Emax II. Only the Apacer 128mb
> > seems to format/read/write OK. I have a friend bringing me a 512mb
> SanDisk
> > to work tomorrow. My goal was to create Emax II format cards as the e6400
> > can also read this format. Now what I have done is connected the card
> > reader to a DB25 switch box and I can now create Emax II samples and flip
> > the switch and load them into either the e6400 or the other Emax II. I
> also
> > have HD's in each of the machines and a Zip drive in the mix (although I
> > have had my share of HD's and Zips die over the years so, I think the
> more
> > backup I can have the better (and the CF card is silent which is another
> > bonus!)). As well, I have card readers for both my Mac and PC so the next
> > step I guess is to dump some of my Emax archives onto the card using
> EMXP.
> >
> > So far my opinion of the Card Reader is that it is totally worth the
> money.
> > The real tricky part is finding the compatible media for them!
> >
> > -s*
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> 
>

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Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-07-31 by jammie

no as the hard drive power connector comes straight from the psu if you were 
to use the floppy power connector then yes you would have the same problem

as the floppy controller controls the power to the floppy drive and there 
would be a time lag between the scsi interigator and the compact flash drive 
the scsi drive needs to be switched on first so that the interigator of the 
scsi buss that looks for devices can see them as with the zip drive thats 
fine as your not switching of the drive to change disks the scsi zip drive 
is still accessed even if a disk is not inserted

you could call the zip disks single partitions if no disk is installed and 
you try to read it it will come back as disk not ready

the ide to compact flash the cf card is the hard drive so when you unswitch 
it and change the card it wont see it as the power was gone it would be the 
same for any scsi device that is switched of after the interigator

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "el macaco" <elmacaco@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!



So if you switch SCSI ID's on the Emax I and put in a different Card it 
won't recognize it?  I've switched Zip disks that way before and It was 
fine, maybe even without changing the ID.  I only have one CF card in an 
external scsi box. so I can't check.



Jammie, does the emax internal cf card have the problem you mentioned with 
Ensoniqs?









To: emax@yahoogroups.com
From: jammie.emma@...
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:34:53 +0100
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!





its all down to the scsi interigator of the samplers some samplers only 
interigate at start up so if you switch of the cf card reader then it would 
not see it when switched back on unless you reboot the samplers some 
samplers like the later akai,s sxxxx range do interigate when you move from 
scsi id they have the option of mounting drive so it rescans the bus
the kurzweil kxxxx has the same option as do the yamaha axxxx range

the problem with the cf-ide adaptors is that the cf is seen as the hard 
drive when removed it loses the drive

the scsi to pcmcia card drives are different as the scsi bus see,s the 
pcmcia interface and see,s this as the hard drive thats why it can see 2 
drives with there own scsi id

removable media was not out when these samplers were built thats why they 
had fixed drives and why they only had 20mb capacity back then 20mb was 
massive in terms of storage same as samplers that had 32mb memory was seen 
as never needing to be surpassed but now we have samplers with 256mb memory 
and hard disk streaming

but back in 87 cdroms was the thing and hard drives was only for the rich as 
a hard drive was almost as expensive as the sampler its self

the scsi to ide adapters are for making a hard drive system into an bootable 
imbedded system they used solidstate drives for this for military and 
dangerous locations were a ram drive was better with no moving parts to go 
wrong

they were also designed for using cheaper ide equivelants hard drives and 
cdroms because they were more mass produced for the pc market

they were never intended for use with samplers it was just us engineers and 
hobbyists that tried the cf-ide and scsi to ide cards with different 
samplers some cards work with some some cards work with others

i use both the acard and the iodata scsi -ide adapter cards as some work for 
1 sampler type were as some work for others and it also depends on the 
cf-ide adapter and what cf cards are being used

i use type 1 san disk 32mb cards for the emax
and i use 512mb type 1 for the emax 2 i found that the ultra type 2 cards 
are to fast for the scsi implimentation of the older samplers but they are 
good for the later models of samplers

some only work externally especialy on the ensoniqs as the floppy drive 
power is boot driven from the rom and because of this there is a delay when 
switching on the machine and the floppy power bringing the scsi cf drive 
into play missing the interigator scsi buss scanner and so it says no drive
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ted Summers
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

I can't directly comment on the emax2, but if it uses the same 5380 SCSI
controller, the SCSI bus controller does not implement hot swap capability,
I believe that is done in software or in the SCSI BIOS.
Floppy drives have a signal on the bus called the "change line" that
indicates that you removed the disk and inserted a new one.
SCSI implementation on this IC doesn't have any sort of "changeline"....
Even so, the Emax 1 firmware doesn't implement removable media.....

From my experience with my Emax 1, I could swap the cards successfully
sometimes for formatting purposes (not always).
But if I had a card with banks, and swapped it, my Emax 1 still thought the
old catalog banks were there from its initial read, not new ones.

My MicroTech DPAI-SCSI has 2 slots, so I have 71 banks at 1 time (including
the floppy)- for me that is enough.....

I am using 32MB Sandisk Transflash on the Emax 1 with a generic 5 in 1
adapter. I have also used the Dazzle SD adapter as well.

Regards,
Ted
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:42 AM, thenewyorkcowboy <
thenewyorkcowboy@...> wrote:

>
>
> After reading up on their card reader I've come to the conclusion that as
> more of us install CF readers (either externally or internally) in our 
> Emax
> IIs, a chart would be in order to confirm compatibility of the actual CF
> cards we have tried with each setup.
>
> Also, it would be nice to find the circuit or logic chip that determines
> any hot-swappability of the drives. If the floppy can be hot-swappable, I
> don't see why we couldn't find a way of at least tricking the samplers to
> allow us to change cards while the unit is on. The first idea that comes 
> to
> mind for me is a momentary DPDT switch that kills the power to the reader,
> that you would hold down while you changed cards, and when released the
> reader would power back on. I would hope that we could leave the drive
> select on that drive, but maybe we would have to change drives 
> momentarily,
> power the reader off, switch cards, and release the button, then change 
> back
> to the CF drive with drive select.
>
> If something this simple were possible, then we could at least save a huge
> step of transferring the bank to a HDD or ZIP, having to power off the 
> unit,
> change cards, and power back on to be able to shuffle samples between CF
> cards instead of always having to use EMXP.
>
> I was also thinking of having two CF readers, but the ultimate result 
> would
> be the same, having to power down the units entirely to be able to change
> even the first CF card...
>
> Any ideas out there why a floppy (0) can hot swap and not SCSI 1-6?
>
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com <emax%40yahoogroups.com>, "s*" 
> <scartattack@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I picked up a CF card reader from SCSIforSamplers.com:
> >
> > http://www.scsiforsamplers.com/cfcard.asp
> >
> > I own 2 Emax II's (1 x 8mb Rack and 1 x 1mb Keyboard) and an e6400
> (128mb).
> >
> > I couldn't afford 3 card readers at the moment but, I do have a few SCSI
> > enclosures that I wasn't using so, I decided I would buy one card reader
> and
> > install it in the enclosure myself. JD at SCSIforSamplers was very
> helpful
> > and answered all my questions very quickly. After the card reader was
> > installed, I had a few problems formatting the CF card on the Emax II
> but,
> > soon came to the conclusion that it must be the card itself. After
> digging
> > through the Emax archives a bit I noticed that a few of you mentioned
> that
> > the CF card needed to be somewhat specific. Since the original Emax II 
> > HD
> > is 540mb's, I figured I would need to find a smaller card (although
> finding
> > cards under 1GB is not that easy these days unless you go online to find
> > them). I ended up going to several computer stores in Toronto and was
> > laughed at by most computer store employees because they could not
> > understand why i would be searching for something so obsolete. I finally
> > found 1 place that had a 128MB Apacer CF card. The guy sold it to me for
> $5
> > tax in. Later that day I found a few 512MB generic cards for $5 a piece
> as
> > well (although I knew they probably would not work). All the cards I 
> > have
> > seem to work fine on the e6400 but not the Emax II. Only the Apacer 
> > 128mb
> > seems to format/read/write OK. I have a friend bringing me a 512mb
> SanDisk
> > to work tomorrow. My goal was to create Emax II format cards as the 
> > e6400
> > can also read this format. Now what I have done is connected the card
> > reader to a DB25 switch box and I can now create Emax II samples and 
> > flip
> > the switch and load them into either the e6400 or the other Emax II. I
> also
> > have HD's in each of the machines and a Zip drive in the mix (although I
> > have had my share of HD's and Zips die over the years so, I think the
> more
> > backup I can have the better (and the CF card is silent which is another
> > bonus!)). As well, I have card readers for both my Mac and PC so the 
> > next
> > step I guess is to dump some of my Emax archives onto the card using
> EMXP.
> >
> > So far my opinion of the Card Reader is that it is totally worth the
> money.
> > The real tricky part is finding the compatible media for them!
> >
> > -s*
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>

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Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-08-02 by mr julian

Ted Summers wrote:
> From my experience with my Emax 1, I could swap the cards successfully
> sometimes for formatting purposes (not always).
> But if I had a card with banks, and swapped it, my Emax 1 still thought the
> old catalog banks were there from its initial read, not new ones.
> 
interesting!

thanks for the info. it's very handy for me at the moment.

I have been biting the bullet and internally SCSI-ing up my samplers 
this week. (got a PCD47b and a bunch of 1G CF cards for my mpc2000xl, 
and an internal 9gig disk for my E64. my A5000 already has an internal 
drive, but I'll probably upgrade that soon to something quieter and 
maybe flash based, as it's a clunky old one that sounds like a jet 
taking off)

The emax is the last to go, because scsiforsamplers.com didn't have a 
hot swappable flash drive that they said would work with it when I did 
my order, and for the $$ you pay there I wanted the exact best thing I 
can get. Maybe I should have just bought their basic CFcard SCSI device 
(only one slot and not hot swappable.. but if i can't hot swap anyway, 
then I guess that's about as good as I'll get.)

Does anyone know if any of the PCD series readers will work with an 
emax? the scsiforsamplers.com compatibility sheet says no. There was a 
PCD-10 on ebay the other day that I would have grabbed if I thought it 
would work with the emax and I could have pulled the drive mechanism out 
of its case to mount into my emax.

cool info on the CF cards, too. I have my eye out for them now in 
anticipation.

Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-08-02 by Ted Summers

My MicroTech DPAI-SCSI (model number), also has PC25 in the serial, I  
think that is interesting as there is a PCD25 model...

I wish I had a plethora of drives (tested or not), that I could test  
out, changing jumpers, etc.

If anyone has any SCSI CF drives that did not work, I would be willing  
to look at them and see if there was a way to get them to work.
After all, the more drives that are compatible the better off we  
are.....

Regards,
Ted

On Aug 1, 2009, at 7:26 PM, mr julian wrote:

Ted Summers wrote:
 > From my experience with my Emax 1, I could swap the cards  
successfully
 > sometimes for formatting purposes (not always).
 > But if I had a card with banks, and swapped it, my Emax 1 still  
thought the
 > old catalog banks were there from its initial read, not new ones.
 >
interesting!

thanks for the info. it's very handy for me at the moment.

I have been biting the bullet and internally SCSI-ing up my samplers
this week. (got a PCD47b and a bunch of 1G CF cards for my mpc2000xl,
and an internal 9gig disk for my E64. my A5000 already has an internal
drive, but I'll probably upgrade that soon to something quieter and
maybe flash based, as it's a clunky old one that sounds like a jet
taking off)

The emax is the last to go, because scsiforsamplers.com didn't have a
hot swappable flash drive that they said would work with it when I did
my order, and for the $$ you pay there I wanted the exact best thing I
can get. Maybe I should have just bought their basic CFcard SCSI device
(only one slot and not hot swappable.. but if i can't hot swap anyway,
then I guess that's about as good as I'll get.)

Does anyone know if any of the PCD series readers will work with an
emax? the scsiforsamplers.com compatibility sheet says no. There was a
PCD-10 on ebay the other day that I would have grabbed if I thought it
would work with the emax and I could have pulled the drive mechanism out
of its case to mount into my emax.

cool info on the CF cards, too. I have my eye out for them now in
anticipation.

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Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-08-03 by mr julian

OK...

well if people are interested, I just made a simple database in the 
group database section, where anyone who has had a working setup with a 
SCSI flash reader/writer can put down the details of their drive.

I guess these fields are all we need...


Manufacturer
model number(full) 	
works with emax 1? 	
works with emax 2? 	
number of CFslots 	
number pf PC slots 	
other slots 	
internal/external connection

if anyone wants to contribute, but can't manage to get into the 
database, then you can always reply to this mail with info for the 
following fields and I'll put it in there for you.

I know a few people have talked about their installs here before, and 
I'll try to go through the archives and find relevant posts with 
relevant info I can put in as I have time.... the point of this is to 
try and have all the info related to these installs in one simple place 
so that it's easily accessed and easily found by anyone.




Ted Summers wrote:

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> My MicroTech DPAI-SCSI (model number), also has PC25 in the serial, I  
> think that is interesting as there is a PCD25 model...
> 
> I wish I had a plethora of drives (tested or not), that I could test  
> out, changing jumpers, etc.
> 
> If anyone has any SCSI CF drives that did not work, I would be willing  
> to look at them and see if there was a way to get them to work.
> After all, the more drives that are compatible the better off we  
> are.....
> 
> Regards,
> Ted
> 
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 7:26 PM, mr julian wrote:
> 
> 
> Ted Summers wrote:
>  > From my experience with my Emax 1, I could swap the cards  
> successfully
>  > sometimes for formatting purposes (not always).
>  > But if I had a card with banks, and swapped it, my Emax 1 still  
> thought the
>  > old catalog banks were there from its initial read, not new ones.
>  >
> interesting!
> 
> thanks for the info. it's very handy for me at the moment.
> 
> I have been biting the bullet and internally SCSI-ing up my samplers
> this week. (got a PCD47b and a bunch of 1G CF cards for my mpc2000xl,
> and an internal 9gig disk for my E64. my A5000 already has an internal
> drive, but I'll probably upgrade that soon to something quieter and
> maybe flash based, as it's a clunky old one that sounds like a jet
> taking off)
> 
> The emax is the last to go, because scsiforsamplers.com didn't have a
> hot swappable flash drive that they said would work with it when I did
> my order, and for the $$ you pay there I wanted the exact best thing I
> can get. Maybe I should have just bought their basic CFcard SCSI device
> (only one slot and not hot swappable.. but if i can't hot swap anyway,
> then I guess that's about as good as I'll get.)
> 
> Does anyone know if any of the PCD series readers will work with an
> emax? the scsiforsamplers.com compatibility sheet says no. There was a
> PCD-10 on ebay the other day that I would have grabbed if I thought it
> would work with the emax and I could have pulled the drive mechanism out
> of its case to mount into my emax.
> 
> cool info on the CF cards, too. I have my eye out for them now in
> anticipation.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [emax] Re: Emax II + E6400 + CF card reader = Awesome!

2009-08-03 by Ted Summers

Julian-

Thanks for starting the database.

I dunno how you make a database in the group (haven't really had time  
to figure it out either), I modified the record you had created, as I  
assume it was based off my entry...

I will look at my IDE reader and provide details regarding that  
tomorrow.

I think that it would be good to add another database for the known  
working
CF / 5in1 adapters models that are known to work.
CF/SD/Transflash MMC cards model #s also....

Possible fields:
adapter or flash card
Compatible types / type of memory
Size
Model
Mfr

just a thought.
I have 4 items I could add to such a database as that.

Regards,
Ted

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:33 PM, mr julian wrote:

OK...

well if people are interested, I just made a simple database in the
group database section, where anyone who has had a working setup with a
SCSI flash reader/writer can put down the details of their drive.

I guess these fields are all we need...

Manufacturer
model number(full)
works with emax 1?
works with emax 2?
number of CFslots
number pf PC slots
other slots
internal/external connection

if anyone wants to contribute, but can't manage to get into the
database, then you can always reply to this mail with info for the
following fields and I'll put it in there for you.

I know a few people have talked about their installs here before, and
I'll try to go through the archives and find relevant posts with
relevant info I can put in as I have time.... the point of this is to
try and have all the info related to these installs in one simple place
so that it's easily accessed and easily found by anyone.

Ted Summers wrote:
 > My MicroTech DPAI-SCSI (model number), also has PC25 in the serial, I
 > think that is interesting as there is a PCD25 model...
 >
 > I wish I had a plethora of drives (tested or not), that I could test
 > out, changing jumpers, etc.
 >
 > If anyone has any SCSI CF drives that did not work, I would be  
willing
 > to look at them and see if there was a way to get them to work.
 > After all, the more drives that are compatible the better off we
 > are.....
 >
 > Regards,
 > Ted
 >
 > On Aug 1, 2009, at 7:26 PM, mr julian wrote:
 >
 >
 > Ted Summers wrote:
 > > From my experience with my Emax 1, I could swap the cards
 > successfully
 > > sometimes for formatting purposes (not always).
 > > But if I had a card with banks, and swapped it, my Emax 1 still
 > thought the
 > > old catalog banks were there from its initial read, not new ones.
 > >
 > interesting!
 >
 > thanks for the info. it's very handy for me at the moment.
 >
 > I have been biting the bullet and internally SCSI-ing up my samplers
 > this week. (got a PCD47b and a bunch of 1G CF cards for my mpc2000xl,
 > and an internal 9gig disk for my E64. my A5000 already has an  
internal
 > drive, but I'll probably upgrade that soon to something quieter and
 > maybe flash based, as it's a clunky old one that sounds like a jet
 > taking off)
 >
 > The emax is the last to go, because scsiforsamplers.com didn't have a
 > hot swappable flash drive that they said would work with it when I  
did
 > my order, and for the $$ you pay there I wanted the exact best  
thing I
 > can get. Maybe I should have just bought their basic CFcard SCSI  
device
 > (only one slot and not hot swappable.. but if i can't hot swap  
anyway,
 > then I guess that's about as good as I'll get.)
 >
 > Does anyone know if any of the PCD series readers will work with an
 > emax? the scsiforsamplers.com compatibility sheet says no. There  
was a
 > PCD-10 on ebay the other day that I would have grabbed if I thought  
it
 > would work with the emax and I could have pulled the drive  
mechanism out
 > of its case to mount into my emax.
 >
 > cool info on the CF cards, too. I have my eye out for them now in
 > anticipation.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
 >
 >
 >
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 >
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 >
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 >
 >
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