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2009-12-21 by John
Anyone know where i can get blank DSDD disks for myy Emax 1. I have tried the tape trick and it does not like it it gives me disc errors. I need to save samples i have because i learned if I turn the machine off I loss my samples. I need insight on how to get the discs and how to use them. John
2009-12-21 by Wind O'Neal
Try Ebay. On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:42 PM, John wrote: > Anyone know where i can get blank DSDD disks for myy Emax 1. I have > tried the tape trick and it does not like it it gives me disc > errors. I need to save samples i have because i learned if I turn > the machine off I loss my samples. I need insight on how to get the > discs and how to use them. > > John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-12-21 by Everett
I've had good luck at thrift shops. Sometimes they are still in the plastic! --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, Wind O'Neal <sanctifiedone@...> wrote:
> > Try Ebay. > > > On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:42 PM, John wrote: > > > Anyone know where i can get blank DSDD disks for myy Emax 1. I have > > tried the tape trick and it does not like it it gives me disc > > errors. I need to save samples i have because i learned if I turn > > the machine off I loss my samples. I need insight on how to get the > > discs and how to use them. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2009-12-21 by Michael Wisbech
out of couriosity : anyone knows why emax has difficulties with the HD disks 1.44mb. ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-12-21 by last7minute
I've got new shrink-wrapped DS/DD disks, 10 per box for $12, which includes shipping. --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "John" <singlecutplayer@...> wrote:
> > Anyone know where i can get blank DSDD disks for myy Emax 1. I have tried the tape trick and it does not like it it gives me disc errors. I need to save samples i have because i learned if I turn the machine off I loss my samples. I need insight on how to get the discs and how to use them. > > John >
2009-12-21 by John Powers
That's cool. Let me check my funds. If I did this how would I get the money to you. Do you pay-pal? John --- On Mon, 12/21/09, last7minute <chriscieszkowski@...> wrote:
From: last7minute <chriscieszkowski@earthlink.net>
Subject: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 12:32 PM
I've got new shrink-wrapped DS/DD disks, 10 per box for $12, which includes shipping.
--- In emax@yahoogroups. com, "John" <singlecutplayer@ ...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know where i can get blank DSDD disks for myy Emax 1. I have tried the tape trick and it does not like it it gives me disc errors. I need to save samples i have because i learned if I turn the machine off I loss my samples. I need insight on how to get the discs and how to use them.
>
> John
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-12-21 by last7minute
Pay-Pal works for me. They are Nashua brand, 1MB unformatted/720KB formatted. I actually have a lot of these! Sometime within the next day or so I will try to post or email you some photos. Chris --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, John Powers <singlecutplayer@...> wrote:
> > That's cool. Let me check my funds. If I did this how would I get the money to you. Do you pay-pal? > Â > John > > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, last7minute <chriscieszkowski@...> wrote: > > > From: last7minute <chriscieszkowski@...> > Subject: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks > To: emax@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 12:32 PM > > > Â > > > > I've got new shrink-wrapped DS/DD disks, 10 per box for $12, which includes shipping. > > --- In emax@yahoogroups. com, "John" <singlecutplayer@ ...> wrote: > > > > Anyone know where i can get blank DSDD disks for myy Emax 1. I have tried the tape trick and it does not like it it gives me disc errors. I need to save samples i have because i learned if I turn the machine off I loss my samples. I need insight on how to get the discs and how to use them. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2009-12-21 by Bob Conner
Because the HD magnetic media (coating) requires more power to be written to than DDDS. If your DDDS drive does not have enough magnetic writing power the data you record will be unstable and stop working sooner than if written to DDDS disks (or not work at all... like one of our members found out). I myself have never had a problem with HD disks used as DSDD in my Emax II or in my many Atari ST computers over long periods of time. At this point it would be hard to say if you are better off using new HD disks or DDDS if the DDDS have been sitting on a shelf for 10+ years in unknown storage conditions (??? anybody?) Are DDDS disks still made new? Bob C --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael Wisbech <michael@...> wrote:
From: Michael Wisbech <michael@...>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:15 AM
out of couriosity : anyone knows why emax has difficulties with the HD
disks 1.44mb. ?
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-12-21 by nung242
So did you format the HD floppy to the 780kb format with Omniflop? I am curious to try that. The drive I have in my EMAX II is a replacement drive from a PC, it should have enough power to write an HD floppy. : ) --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bob Conner <rennocbob@...> wrote:
From: Bob Conner <rennocbob@...>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks VS HD
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 12:17 PM
Because the HD magnetic media (coating) requires more power to be written to than DDDS.
If your DDDS drive does not have enough magnetic writing power the data you record will be unstable and stop working sooner than if written to DDDS disks (or not work at all... like one of our members found out).
I myself have never had a problem with HD disks used as DSDD in my Emax II or in my many Atari ST computers over long periods of time.
At this point it would be hard to say if you are better off using new HD disks or DDDS if the DDDS have been sitting on a shelf for 10+ years in unknown storage conditions (??? anybody?)
Are DDDS disks still made new?
Bob C
--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael Wisbech <michael@inoutflux. dk> wrote:
From: Michael Wisbech <michael@inoutflux. dk>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks
To: emax@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:15 AM
out of couriosity : anyone knows why emax has difficulties with the HD
disks 1.44mb. ?
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-12-21 by Peter Pöml
Am 21.12.2009 um 21:17 schrieb Bob Conner: > Because the HD magnetic media (coating) requires more power to be > written to than DDDS. > > If your DDDS drive does not have enough magnetic writing power the > data you record will be unstable and stop working sooner than if > written to DDDS disks (or not work at all... like one of our members > found out). > > I myself have never had a problem with HD disks used as DSDD in my > Emax II or in my many Atari ST computers over long periods of time. > > At this point it would be hard to say if you are better off using > new HD disks or DDDS if the DDDS have been sitting on a shelf for > 10+ years in unknown storage conditions (??? anybody?) > Interesting! I had good success with HD floppies; they seemed to work for me as well as DD floppies. (Emax II.) But I figured it might have been only luck. And, I mostly wrote them on a notebook and read them on the Emax - not vice versa. > Are DDDS disks still made new? > I don't know. But who wants 500 used ones? :-)) http://cgi.ebay.de/ATARI-500-gebrauchte-DD-Disketten-auch-fuer-Amiga_W0QQitemZ130352495025QQcmdZViewItemQQptZKlassische_Computer?hash=item1e599d39b1#ht_500wt_924 (Before several group members try to bid competetively and drive up the price, it might make more sense if one of us buys them and shares... :-) I also seem to find some sources here in Germany which look like new floppies: http://shopping.kelkoo.de/ssc-100353123-dd-disketten.html http://www.vesalia.de/d_tdkmfd.htm http://www.dataserve-retro.co.uk/index1.html (that's in the U.K.) Peter
2009-12-21 by Rish
Bob vary well put...all drives can do both HD format and low DSDD format, but remember the Emax has a onboard FDC controller chip that is permanently set to low DSDD 720k format. This means it will always format at low DSDD power, it also means it will not read anything more than 720k of data even from a HD 1.44MB disc. You can not expect to get anymore storage other than 720k per disc. Richard at Route 66
----- Original Message -----
From: nung242
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks VS HD
So did you format the HD floppy to the 780kb format with Omniflop?
I am curious to try that. The drive I have in my EMAX II is a replacement drive from a PC, it should have enough power to write an HD floppy. : )
--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bob Conner <rennocbob@...> wrote:
From: Bob Conner <rennocbob@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks VS HD
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 12:17 PM
Because the HD magnetic media (coating) requires more power to be written to than DDDS.
If your DDDS drive does not have enough magnetic writing power the data you record will be unstable and stop working sooner than if written to DDDS disks (or not work at all... like one of our members found out).
I myself have never had a problem with HD disks used as DSDD in my Emax II or in my many Atari ST computers over long periods of time.
At this point it would be hard to say if you are better off using new HD disks or DDDS if the DDDS have been sitting on a shelf for 10+ years in unknown storage conditions (??? anybody?)
Are DDDS disks still made new?
Bob C
--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael Wisbech <michael@inoutflux. dk> wrote:
From: Michael Wisbech <michael@inoutflux. dk>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks
To: emax@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:15 AM
out of couriosity : anyone knows why emax has difficulties with the HD
disks 1.44mb. ?
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-12-21 by Bob Conner
I don't recall. If the Emax II has a format function I probably used that. Bob C --- On Mon, 12/21/09, nung242 <nung242@...> wrote:
From: nung242 <nung242@...>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks VS HD
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 12:30 PM
So did you format the HD floppy to the 780kb format with Omniflop?
I am curious to try that. The drive I have in my EMAX II is a replacement drive from a PC, it should have enough power to write an HD floppy. : )
--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Bob Conner <rennocbob@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Bob Conner <rennocbob@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks VS HD
To: emax@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 12:17 PM
Because the HD magnetic media (coating) requires more power to be written to than DDDS.
If your DDDS drive does not have enough magnetic writing power the data you record will be unstable and stop working sooner than if written to DDDS disks (or not work at all... like one of our members found out).
I myself have never had a problem with HD disks used as DSDD in my Emax II or in my many Atari ST computers over long periods of time.
At this point it would be hard to say if you are better off using new HD disks or DDDS if the DDDS have been sitting on a shelf for 10+ years in unknown storage conditions (??? anybody?)
Are DDDS disks still made new?
Bob C
--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Michael Wisbech <michael@inoutflux. dk> wrote:
From: Michael Wisbech <michael@inoutflux. dk>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks
To: emax@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:15 AM
out of couriosity : anyone knows why emax has difficulties with the HD
disks 1.44mb. ?
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-12-21 by Bob Conner
Do your original Emax disks still work in your Emax? Maybe the drive needs cleaning? Could also be that the alignment of the heads are different/off between the computer and Emax. Try formatting them with the Emax. Bob C --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Peter Pöml <poeml@...> wrote:
From: Peter Pöml <poeml@...>
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: DSDD Disks VS HD
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 1:21 PM
Am 21.12.2009 um 21:17 schrieb Bob Conner:
> Because the HD magnetic media (coating) requires more power to be
> written to than DDDS.
>
> If your DDDS drive does not have enough magnetic writing power the
> data you record will be unstable and stop working sooner than if
> written to DDDS disks (or not work at all... like one of our members
> found out).
>
> I myself have never had a problem with HD disks used as DSDD in my
> Emax II or in my many Atari ST computers over long periods of time.
>
> At this point it would be hard to say if you are better off using
> new HD disks or DDDS if the DDDS have been sitting on a shelf for
> 10+ years in unknown storage conditions (??? anybody?)
>
Interesting! I had good success with HD floppies; they seemed to work
for me as well as DD floppies. (Emax II.) But I figured it might have
been only luck. And, I mostly wrote them on a notebook and read them
on the Emax - not vice versa.
> Are DDDS disks still made new?
>
I don't know.
But who wants 500 used ones? :-))
http://cgi.ebay. de/ATARI- 500-gebrauchte- DD-Disketten- auch-fuer- Amiga_W0QQitemZ1 30352495025QQcmd ZViewItemQQptZKl assische_ Computer? hash=item1e599d3 9b1#ht_500wt_ 924
(Before several group members try to bid competetively and drive up
the price, it might make more sense if one of us buys them and
shares... :-)
I also seem to find some sources here in Germany which look like new
floppies:
http://shopping. kelkoo.de/ ssc-100353123- dd-disketten. html
http://www.vesalia. de/d_tdkmfd. htm
http://www.dataserv e-retro.co. uk/index1. html (that's in the U.K.)
Peter
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