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Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-24 by userlists

Hi

I finally managed to get the Software Rev. HD Plus 1.0 to Floppy Disc :-))

What do I have to do now, that my Emax 1 HD (Software Rev. 1.1) takes 
over the Plus Version, since I want to connect an external SCSI-ZIP 
Drive? I only get "Wrong Software" when reading the Floppy Disc.

Thanks for your support.

Chris

Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-24 by Ted Summers

Sounds like you don't have SE update on your machine
- PLUS OS requires SE update as a pre-requisite

-Ted
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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:14 PM, userlists <userlists@hutter.name> wrote:
Hi

I finally managed to get the Software Rev. HD Plus 1.0 to Floppy Disc :-))

What do I have to do now, that my Emax 1 HD (Software Rev. 1.1) takes
over the Plus Version, since I want to connect an external SCSI-ZIP
Drive? I only get "Wrong Software" when reading the Floppy Disc.

Thanks for your support.

Chris


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Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-24 by jammie

you need to upgrade to se as it will never work otherwise
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Subject: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS


> Hi
>
> I finally managed to get the Software Rev. HD Plus 1.0 to Floppy Disc :-))
>
> What do I have to do now, that my Emax 1 HD (Software Rev. 1.1) takes
> over the Plus Version, since I want to connect an external SCSI-ZIP
> Drive? I only get "Wrong Software" when reading the Floppy Disc.
>
> Thanks for your support.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Re: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by userlists

Hello

Thanks for your Feedback.

The SE Update / Upgrade can be done too by loading the OS onto Floppy 
Disc and starting Emax with this Disc?

Very confusing :-/

Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by jammie

for the plus os to be seen or the sehd

you need to upgrade to the se software this creates some code segments in an 
eprom

which the later os sehd and plus os need to work

but you can use any version of software of the os if you want

but you cant use softwares on a none se machine as it will say wrong 
software

as its incompatible

you know you have se installed if you use the upgrade se disk and it just 
loads the software

if not it will let you know its the upgrade disk and that it will upgrade 
the emax

once the floppy has been used for upgrading it cant be used again for 
upgrading

as it has code blocks written to it that make the disk defunkt as an upgrade 
disk it just becomes a se os disk from then on
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Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Hello
>
> Thanks for your Feedback.
>
> The SE Update / Upgrade can be done too by loading the OS onto Floppy
> Disc and starting Emax with this Disc?
>
> Very confusing :-/
>
>
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Re: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by userlists

Hi Jammie

Thanks for your help. Since my english-understanding is not the best, 
let me put it together to see, if I understand it right:

1. I have an non-SE Emax HD. The SE Software can be loaded without any 
Hardware-Modifications.

2. I put the newest SE Software onto Floppy and load it into my non-SE 
Emax HD.

3. I load the Plus Software into the now SE Emax HD.


Is this correct?

Thanks again

Chris

Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by jammie

yes that is correct

you download the omniflop image you use omniflop to write the image to disk

you then use that disk in the non se emax and it will tell you that your 
upgrading it will then upgrade to se

then you can write a plus os floppy using emxp and it will load the the plus 
os
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Hi Jammie
>
> Thanks for your help. Since my english-understanding is not the best,
> let me put it together to see, if I understand it right:
>
> 1. I have an non-SE Emax HD. The SE Software can be loaded without any
> Hardware-Modifications.
>
> 2. I put the newest SE Software onto Floppy and load it into my non-SE
> Emax HD.
>
> 3. I load the Plus Software into the now SE Emax HD.
>
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Thanks again
>
> Chris
>
>
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Re: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by userlists

Is it necessary to use Omniflop?

I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files 
are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(

I put to Floppy:

- Emax OS SE 1.1
- Emax OS SE HD 1.1
- Emax OS Plus OS 1.0

I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software" 
or "Wrong Software Rev."

I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this 
disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".

What am I doing wrong?

Sorry for that, but I'm going crazy.

Chris

Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by jammie

like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

its under esynthesis name

emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does 
or use omniflop

its the only way

the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded 
to se

those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why 
you get wrong software message
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
>
> I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
> are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
>
> I put to Floppy:
>
> - Emax OS SE 1.1
> - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
> - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
>
> I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
> or "Wrong Software Rev."
>
> I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
> disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Sorry for that, but I'm going crazy.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website
>
> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by Windrum Scoggin

Jammie
Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.
The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.
I think this is where he is getting confused.
Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
I can9;t do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read
So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.
Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it's written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.

My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his own Emax.
If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas a bad FDD
In his Emax
Just some troubleshooting tips
I had to learn the hard way
For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC
Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read
Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned floppy disk drive in his Emax too

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything
You want to hear
so I just won't try to say anything
Anymore wrote:
like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

its under esynthesis name

emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
or use omniflop

its the only way

the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
to se

those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
you get wrong software message
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
>
> I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
> are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
>
> I put to Floppy:
>
>; - Emax OS SE 1.1
> - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
> - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
>
> I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
> or "Wrong Software Rev."
>
> I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
> disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Sorry for that, but I'm going crazy.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website
>
> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by Windrum Scoggin

Sorry just read where he was inserting the disc in his machine and getting wrong software revision so we know that his disks are working okay when being written by Omni flop or EMX P and that his Emax is reading it
I just think it's a matter of him upgrading step-by-step from the operating system preceding the one he needs to install
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On Saturday, October 26, 2013, userlists wrote:
Is it necessary to use Omniflop?

I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(

I put to Floppy:

- Emax OS SE 1.1
- Emax OS SE HD 1.1
- Emax OS Plus OS 1.0

I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
or "Wrong Software Rev."

I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".

What am I doing wrong?

Sorry for that, but I'm going crazy.

Chris


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Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-26 by jammie

you cant use omniflop to write the os
you need to write the os in emxp
emxp uses the omn iflop driver to format and write to emax floppy
but its done inside emxp
you use omiflop to write images made
and why you write the se upgrade disk in the omniflop software direct and not emxp
your confusing the 2 programs
emxp = format emax disks write to emax floppy disks
omniflop = reading and writing to and from img format raw floppy image files
be it emax/ensoniq/korgdss1/korg t 1/2/3/ex and any other format it can create raw images from
tyhey are 2 seperate programs
emxp just uses the omniflop driver to createw its disks but does not use the omniflop software to write images
thats where you are getting confused
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Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

Jammie

Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.
The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.
I think this is where he is getting confused.
Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
I can't do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read
So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.
Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it's written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.

My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his own Emax.
If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas a bad FDD
In his Emax
Just some troubleshooting tips
I had to learn the hard way
For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC
Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read
Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned floppy disk drive in his Emax too

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything
You want to hear
so I just won't try to say anything
Anymore wrote:
like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

its under esynthesis name

emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
or use omniflop

its the only way

the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
to se

those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
you get wrong software message
----- Original Message -----
From: "userlists" <userlists@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
>
> I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
> are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
>
> I put to Floppy:
>
> - Emax OS SE 1.1
> - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
> - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
>
> I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
> or "Wrong Software Rev."
>
> I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
> disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Sorry for that, but I'm going crazy.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Emax and Emax II User's Group Website
>
> http://www.silveriafamily.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6781 - Release Date: 10/25/13
>



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Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by Windrum Scoggin

So theoretically then
OmniFlop should be able to
Take an .ez1 image file created in EMXP and write it to floppy disk?
Anytime I use omniflop it ends up looking for a.IMG file and can tell me if it's recognized
But is unable to write the Emax OS disk image, even when I direct OmniFlop to the EMX file. Instead I have to use EMXP or the Emax itself to write an Image file that can be bootable into Emax. and so far due to a bad Emax floppy disk drive I can't even do that's
i've tried several times and to this very day
I've never gotten EMXP, let alone OmniFlop to do so and I've been working with BOTH programs for almost a almost week now, so that should definitely make me an expert (ha ha)
;)

Question: can OmniFlop directly copy/clone an Emax Floppy disk created either on an Emax or EMXP/EMX?
so that you could give it to another person and they could load it on their Emax?

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammie wrote:

you cant use omniflop to write the os
you need to write the os in emxp
emxp uses the omn iflop driver to format and write to emax floppy
but its done inside emxp
you use omiflop to write images made
and why you write the se upgrade disk in the omniflop software direct and not emxp
your confusing the 2 programs
emxp = format emax disks write to emax floppy disks
omniflop = reading and writing to and from img format raw floppy image files
be it emax/ensoniq/korgdss1/korg t 1/2/3/ex and any other format it can create raw images from
tyhey are 2 seperate programs
emxp just uses the omniflop driver to createw its disks but does not use the omniflop software to write images
thats where you are getting confused
----- Original Message -----
Show quoted textHide quoted text
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

Jammie

Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.
The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.
I think this is where he is getting confused.
Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
I can't do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read
So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.
Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it';s written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.

My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his own Emax.
If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas a bad FDD
In his Emax
Just some troubleshooting tips
I had to learn the hard way
For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC
Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read
Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned floppy disk drive in his Emax too

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything
You want to hear
so I just won't try to say anything
Anymore wrote:
like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

its under esynthesis name

emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
or use omniflop

its the only way

the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
to se

those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
you get wrong software message
----- Original Message -----
From: "userlists" <userlists@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
>
> I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
> are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
>
> I put to Floppy:
>
> - Emax OS SE 1.1
> - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
> - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
>
> I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
> or "Wrong Software Rev."
>
> I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
> disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
>



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Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by jammie

no it cant
as the ez1 file is an iso file which is a hd/cdrom img fromat
omniflop only does floppy formats upto 400k to 1.44mb
the 400k being ensoniq mirage
most 720k formats
ensoniq 820k formats
and many others
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Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

So theoretically then

OmniFlop should be able to
Take an .ez1 image file created in EMXP and write it to floppy disk?
Anytime I use omniflop it ends up looking for a.IMG file and can tell me if it's recognized
But is unable to write the Emax OS disk image, even when I direct OmniFlop to the EMX file. Instead I have to use EMXP or the Emax itself to write an Image file that can be bootable into Emax. and so far due to a bad Emax floppy disk drive I can't even do that's
i've tried several times and to this very day
I've never gotten EMXP, let alone OmniFlop to do so and I've been working with BOTH programs for almost a almost week now, so that should definitely make me an expert (ha ha)
;)

Question: can OmniFlop directly copy/clone an Emax Floppy disk created either on an Emax or EMXP/EMX?
so that you could give it to another person and they could load it on their Emax?

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammie wrote:

you cant use omniflop to write the os
you need to write the os in emxp
emxp uses the omn iflop driver to format and write to emax floppy
but its done inside emxp
you use omiflop to write images made
and why you write the se upgrade disk in the omniflop software direct and not emxp
your confusing the 2 programs
emxp = format emax disks write to emax floppy disks
omniflop = reading and writing to and from img format raw floppy image files
be it emax/ensoniq/korgdss1/korg t 1/2/3/ex and any other format it can create raw images from
tyhey are 2 seperate programs
emxp just uses the omniflop driver to createw its disks but does not use the omniflop software to write images
thats where you are getting confused
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

Jammie

Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.
The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.
I think this is where he is getting confused.
Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
I can't do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read
So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.
Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it's written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.

My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his own Emax.
If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas a bad FDD
In his Emax
Just some troubleshooting tips
I had to learn the hard way
For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC
Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read
Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned floppy disk drive in his Emax too

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything
You want to hear
so I just won't try to say anything
Anymore wrote:
like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

its under esynthesis name

emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
or use omniflop

its the only way

the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
to se

those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
you get wrong software message
----- Original Message -----
From: "userlists" <userlists@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
>
> I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
> are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
>
> I put to Floppy:
>
> - Emax OS SE 1.1
> - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
> - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
>
> I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
>; or "Wrong Software Rev."
>
> I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
> disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
>



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Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by jammie

emxp uses the emx format img files
omniflop software cant read this image file and cant write it
it onto a floppy disk
now the omniflop driver is a set of instructions that tells the floppy controller how to write certain formats to a floppy drive
emxp uses this driver to tell the floppy controller that its using the emax floppy disk format and so can read and write emax floppy disks
and write banks to it
as i said emxp and omniflop software are 2 different programs and they dont use each others software
they just use the same floppy system omniflop drivers the floppy drive controller drivers and the floppy drive drivers
omniflop only does raw.img formats it cant read any others an d wont write any others
so emx/out/ghk/dms/and many other floppy formats it cant read or write
for these there are other image utilities most are dos based like glieber which does the ensoniq
then theres the sdisk .out formats for roland
fdisk
total commander
teledisk
and many other image making programs
the hxc floppy emulator uses its own format and has drivers to read certain other formats
so that its controller can emulate the actual disk format of the actual machine its emulating so the synth or sampler can read and write to the images
so the only time you should use omniflop for the emax is to create the se upgrade disk
and thats it
all other functions should be done with the emxp
emxp works period and i have been using it since esynthesis first anounced it and sent back info for things not working
we have alos talked about other formats over the years like the mirage floppy and sample format
the korg dss1 is another format talked about as esynthesis made the dss1/dsm1 library available in img format as it was a wierd dos format before that was hard to get to disk so he converted the lot to img format so it could be read and imaged by omniflop software img program
the reason why you were having such problems are your confusing the 2 software programs
----- Original Message -----
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: jammie
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

no it cant
as the ez1 file is an iso file which is a hd/cdrom img fromat
omniflop only does floppy formats upto 400k to 1.44mb
the 400k being ensoniq mirage
most 720k formats
ensoniq 820k formats
and many others
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

So theoretically then

OmniFlop should be able to
Take an .ez1 image file created in EMXP and write it to floppy disk?
Anytime I use omniflop it ends up looking for a.IMG file and can tell me if it's recognized
But is unable to write the Emax OS disk image, even when I direct OmniFlop to the EMX file. Instead I have to use EMXP or the Emax itself to write an Image file that can be bootable into Emax. and so far due to a bad Emax floppy disk drive I can't even do that's
i've tried several times and to this very day
I've never gotten EMXP, let alone OmniFlop to do so and I've been working with BOTH programs for almost a almost week now, so that should definitely make me an expert (ha ha)
;)

Question: can OmniFlop directly copy/clone an Emax Floppy disk created either on an Emax or EMXP/EMX?
so that you could give it to another person and they could load it on their Emax?

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammie wrote:

you cant use omniflop to write the os
you need to write the os in emxp
;
emxp uses the omn iflop driver to format and write to emax floppy
but its done inside emxp
you use omiflop to write images made
and why you write the se upgrade disk in the omniflop software direct and not emxp
your confusing the 2 programs
emxp = format emax disks write to emax floppy disks
omniflop = reading and writing to and from img format raw floppy image files
be it emax/ensoniq/korgdss1/korg t 1/2/3/ex and any other format it can create raw images from
tyhey are 2 seperate programs
emxp just uses the omniflop driver to createw its disks but does not use the omniflop software to write images
thats where you are getting confused
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

Jammie

Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.
The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.
I think this is where he is getting confused.
Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
I can't do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read
So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.
Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it's written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.

My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his own Emax.
If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas a bad FDD
In his Emax
Just some troubleshooting tips
I had to learn the hard way
For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC
Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read
Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned floppy disk drive in his Emax too

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything
You want to hear
so I just won't try to say anything
Anymore wrote:
like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

its under esynthesis name

emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
or use omniflop

its the only way

the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
to se

those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
you get wrong software message
----- Original Message -----
From: "userlists" <userlists@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
>
> I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
> are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
>
>; I put to Floppy:
>
> - Emax OS SE 1.1
> - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
> - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
>
> I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
> or "Wrong Software Rev."
>
> I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
> disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
>



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RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by chris@...

Thank you guys, it's done!!!

Since my Account-Approval was pendent, I couldn't access the Image File before :-(

Now here, what I've done:

1. Formatted the Floppies with Omniflop
2. Wrote the EmaxSEUpgrade.img with Omniflop to Disc
3. Wrote the Emax SE OS1.1 and the Emax SE HD OS 1.1 with EMXP to Discs.
4. Booted up the Emax with the SE Upgrade Disc
5. Copied the first of the other Updates inside Emax to an existing Emax Bank Floppy Disc and booted with it. Then I did it with the other Update.

Now I have an actual Emax 1 and I can try to attach an external ZIP-Drive.

What I didn't find out yet: Pressing the Transpose-Button should give the possibility to change the SCSI-Number. When I press Transpose it only says "Press a Key" - nothing about SCSI. Is this, because there's only one Harddrive attached?

Thanks again and have a good Sunday.

Chris


---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

emxp uses the emx format img files
omniflop software cant read this image file and cant write it
it onto a floppy disk
now the omniflop driver is a set of instructions that tells the floppy controller how to write certain formats to a floppy drive
emxp uses this driver to tell the floppy controller that its using the emax floppy disk format and so can read and write emax floppy disks
and write banks to it
as i said emxp and omniflop software are 2 different programs and they dont use each others software
they just use the same floppy system omniflop drivers the floppy drive controller drivers and the floppy drive drivers
omniflop only does raw.img formats it cant read any others an d wont write any others
so emx/out/ghk/dms/and many other floppy formats it cant read or write
for these there are other image utilities most are dos based like glieber which does the ensoniq
then theres the sdisk .out formats for roland
fdisk
total commander
teledisk
and many other image making programs
the hxc floppy emulator uses its own format and has drivers to read certain other formats
so that its controller can emulate the actual disk format of the actual machine its emulating so the synth or sampler can read and write to the images
so the only time you should use omniflop for the emax is to create the se upgrade disk
and thats it
all other functions should be done with the emxp
emxp works period and i have been using it since esynthesis first anounced it and sent back info for things not working
we have alos talked about other formats over the years like the mirage floppy and sample format
the korg dss1 is another format talked about as esynthesis made the dss1/dsm1 library available in img format as it was a wierd dos format before that was hard to get to disk so he converted the lot to img format so it could be read and imaged by omniflop software img program
the reason why you were having such problems are your confusing the 2 software programs
----- Original Message -----
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: jammie
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

no it cant
as the ez1 file is an iso file which is a hd/cdrom img fromat
omniflop only does floppy formats upto 400k to 1.44mb
the 400k being ensoniq mirage
most 720k formats
ensoniq 820k formats
and many others
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

So theoretically then

OmniFlop should be able to
Take an .ez1 image file created in EMXP and write it to floppy disk?
Anytime I use omniflop it ends up looking for a.IMG file and can tell me if it's recognized
But is unable to write the Emax OS disk image, even when I direct OmniFlop to the EMX file. Instead I have to use EMXP or the Emax itself to write an Image file that can be bootable into Emax. and so far due to a bad Emax floppy disk drive I can't even do that's
i've tried several times and to this very day
I've never gotten EMXP, let alone OmniFlop to do so and I've been working with BOTH programs for almost a almost week now, so that should definitely make me an expert (ha ha)
;)

Question: can OmniFlop directly copy/clone an Emax Floppy disk created either on an Emax or EMXP/EMX?
so that you could give it to another person and they could load it on their Emax?

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammie wrote:

you cant use omniflop to write the os
you need to write the os in emxp
emxp uses the omn iflop driver to format and write to emax floppy
but its done inside emxp
you use omiflop to write images made
and why you write the se upgrade disk in the omniflop software direct and not emxp
your confusing the 2 programs
emxp = format emax disks write to emax floppy disks
omniflop = reading and writing to and from img format raw floppy image files
be it emax/ensoniq/korgdss1/korg t 1/2/3/ex and any other format it can create raw images from
tyhey are 2 seperate programs
emxp just uses the omniflop driver to createw its disks but does not use the omniflop software to write images
thats where you are getting confused
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

Jammie

Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.
The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.
I think this is where he is getting confused.
Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
I can't do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read
So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.
Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it's written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.

My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his own Emax.
If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas a bad FDD
In his Emax
Just some troubleshooting tips
I had to learn the hard way
For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC
Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read
Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned floppy disk drive in his Emax too

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything
You want to hear
so I just won't try to say anything
Anymore wrote:
like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

its under esynthesis name

emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
or use omniflop

its the only way

the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
to se

those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
you get wrong software message
----- Original Message -----
From: "userlists" <userlists@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
>
> I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
> are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
>
> I put to Floppy:
>
> - Emax OS SE 1.1
> - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
> - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
>
> I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
> or "Wrong Software Rev."
>
> I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
> disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
>


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Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by jammie

no because you have not loaded the plus os to disk

the emax se hd os1.1 is not the plus os

you need the plus os which has the ability

to change scsi id by pressing the transpose button for an external zip drive scsi id5 with ttermination on 

you need 

emaxplus10.zip this is the plus os

if you have a zip drive you can use one of teds 20mb full bank image files as they have the plus os written on them 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: chris@... 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:47 AM
  Subject: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS


    
  Thank you guys, it's done!!!

  Since my Account-Approval was pendent, I couldn't access the Image File before :-(

  Now here, what I've done:

  1. Formatted the Floppies with Omniflop
  2. Wrote the EmaxSEUpgrade.img with Omniflop to Disc
  3. Wrote the Emax SE OS1.1 and the Emax SE HD OS 1.1 with EMXP to Discs.
  4. Booted up the Emax with the SE Upgrade Disc
  5. Copied the first of the other Updates inside Emax to an existing Emax Bank Floppy Disc and booted with it. Then I did it with the other Update.

  Now I have an actual Emax 1 and I can try to attach an external ZIP-Drive.

  What I didn't find out yet: Pressing the Transpose-Button should give the possibility to change the SCSI-Number. When I press Transpose it only says "Press a Key" - nothing about SCSI. Is this, because there's only one Harddrive attached?

  Thanks again and have a good Sunday.

  Chris




  ---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <jammie.emma@...> wrote:


  emxp uses the emx format img files

  omniflop software cant read this image file and cant write it

  it onto a floppy disk 

  now the omniflop driver is a set of instructions that tells the floppy controller how to write certain formats to a floppy drive

  emxp uses this driver to tell the floppy controller that its using the emax floppy disk format and so can read and write emax floppy disks

  and write banks to it

  as i said emxp and omniflop software are 2 different programs and they dont use each others software

  they just use the same floppy system omniflop drivers the floppy drive controller drivers and the floppy drive drivers

  omniflop only does raw.img formats it cant read any others an d wont write any others

  so emx/out/ghk/dms/and many other floppy formats it cant read or write

  for these there are other image utilities most are dos based like glieber which does the ensoniq

  then theres the sdisk .out formats for roland

  fdisk

  total commander

  teledisk

  and many other image making programs

  the hxc floppy emulator uses its own format and has drivers to read certain other formats

  so that its controller can emulate the actual disk format of the actual machine its emulating so the synth or sampler can read and write to the images

  so the only time you should use omniflop for the emax is to create the se upgrade disk

  and thats it

  all other functions should be done with the emxp 

  emxp works period and i have been using it since esynthesis first anounced it and sent back info for things not working

  we have alos talked about other formats over the years like the mirage floppy and sample format

  the korg dss1 is another format talked about as esynthesis made the dss1/dsm1 library available in img format as it was a wierd dos format before that was hard to get to disk so he converted the lot to img format so it could be read and imaged by omniflop software img program

  the reason why you were having such problems are your confusing the 2 software programs
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: jammie 
      To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:47 AM
      Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS


        

      no it cant

      as the ez1 file is an iso file which is a hd/cdrom img fromat

      omniflop only does floppy formats upto 400k to 1.44mb

      the 400k being ensoniq mirage

      most 720k formats

      ensoniq 820k formats

      and many others 
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Windrum Scoggin 
        To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
        Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:52 AM
        Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS


          
        So theoretically then 

        OmniFlop should be able to
        Take an .ez1 image file created in EMXP and write it to floppy disk? 
        Anytime I use omniflop it ends up looking for a.IMG file and can tell me if it's recognized
        But is unable to write the Emax OS  disk image, even when I direct OmniFlop to the EMX file.  Instead I have to use EMXP or the Emax itself to write an Image file that can be bootable into Emax. and so far due to a bad Emax floppy disk drive I can't even do that's
        i've tried several times and to this very day
        I've never gotten EMXP, let alone OmniFlop to do so and I've been working with BOTH programs for almost a almost week now, so that should definitely make me an expert  (ha ha)
        ;)


         Question: can  OmniFlop directly copy/clone an Emax Floppy disk created either on an Emax or EMXP/EMX?
        so that you could give it to another person and they could load it on their Emax?

        On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammie wrote:

            

          you cant use omniflop to write the os

          you need to write the os in emxp

          emxp uses the omn iflop driver to format and write to emax floppy

          but its done inside emxp

          you use omiflop to write images made

          and why you write the se upgrade disk in the omniflop software direct and not emxp

          your confusing the 2 programs

          emxp = format emax disks write to emax floppy disks

          omniflop = reading and writing to and from img format raw floppy image files

          be it emax/ensoniq/korgdss1/korg t 1/2/3/ex and any other format it can create raw images from

          tyhey are 2 seperate programs

          emxp just uses the omniflop driver to createw its disks but does not use the omniflop software to write images

          thats where you are getting confused
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Windrum Scoggin 
            To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
            Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM
            Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS


              
            Jammie 

            Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.
            The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.
             I think this is where he is getting confused.
            Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
            I can't do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read
             So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.
            Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it's written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.


            My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his  own Emax. 
            If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas  a bad FDD
            In his Emax
            Just some troubleshooting tips
            I had to learn the hard way
            For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC
            Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read 
            Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned  floppy disk drive in his Emax too


            On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything
            You want to hear 

            so I just won't try to say anything 
            Anymore  wrote:

              like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

              its under esynthesis name

              emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
              or use omniflop

              its the only way

              the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
              to se

              those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
              you get wrong software message
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "userlists" <userlists@...>
              To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
              Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


              > Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
              >
              > I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
              > are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
              >
              > I put to Floppy:
              >
              > - Emax OS SE 1.1
              > - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
              > - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
              >
              > I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
              > or "Wrong Software Rev."
              >
              > I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
              > disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
              >



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Re: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by userlists

Sorry, of course I forgot the last OS-Update - the Plus Version.

Now I'm able to change the SCSI-Number :-)

Since I don't have the external 250 MB SCSI-ZIP-Drive yet, I'm testing 
old SCSI Harddrives with about 1 GB. I know that only 20 MB can be used. 
But how long will it take to format an 1 GB HD?

Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by jammie

seconds as it only formats it to 20mb
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> Sorry, of course I forgot the last OS-Update - the Plus Version.
> 
> Now I'm able to change the SCSI-Number :-)
> 
> Since I don't have the external 250 MB SCSI-ZIP-Drive yet, I'm testing 
> old SCSI Harddrives with about 1 GB. I know that only 20 MB can be used. 
> But how long will it take to format an 1 GB HD?
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by chris@...

OK, so the 1 GB Harddrives seem to be broken :-(


Thanks again jammie, great support!!



---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

seconds as it only formats it to 20mb
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> Sorry, of course I forgot the last OS-Update - the Plus Version.
>
> Now I'm able to change the SCSI-Number :-)
>
> Since I don't have the external 250 MB SCSI-ZIP-Drive yet, I'm testing
> old SCSI Harddrives with about 1 GB. I know that only 20 MB can be used.
> But how long will it take to format an 1 GB HD?
>
>
>
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RE: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by Lorne Hammond

would it be possible to put the most current os on an eprom and then loose the need to go plus to scisi?

Lorne
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From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jammie
Sent: October-27-13 2:17 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

 

  

 

no because you have not loaded the plus os to disk

 

the emax se hd os1.1 is not the plus os

 

you need the plus os which has the ability

 

to change scsi id by pressing the transpose button for an external zip drive scsi id5 with ttermination on 

 

you need 

 

emaxplus10.zip this is the plus os

 

if you have a zip drive you can use one of teds 20mb full bank image files as they have the plus os written on them 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: chris@... 

To: emax@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:47 AM

Subject: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

 

  

Thank you guys, it's done!!!

Since my Account-Approval was pendent, I couldn't access the Image File before :-(

Now here, what I've done:

1. Formatted the Floppies with Omniflop
2. Wrote the EmaxSEUpgrade.img with Omniflop to Disc
3. Wrote the Emax SE OS1.1 and the Emax SE HD OS 1.1 with EMXP to Discs.
4. Booted up the Emax with the SE Upgrade Disc
5. Copied the first of the other Updates inside Emax to an existing Emax Bank Floppy Disc and booted with it. Then I did it with the other Update.

Now I have an actual Emax 1 and I can try to attach an external ZIP-Drive.

What I didn't find out yet: Pressing the Transpose-Button should give the possibility to change the SCSI-Number. When I press Transpose it only says "Press a Key" - nothing about SCSI. Is this, because there's only one Harddrive attached?

Thanks again and have a good Sunday.

Chris



---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

emxp uses the emx format img files

 

omniflop software cant read this image file and cant write it

 

it onto a floppy disk 

 

now the omniflop driver is a set of instructions that tells the floppy controller how to write certain formats to a floppy drive

 

emxp uses this driver to tell the floppy controller that its using the emax floppy disk format and so can read and write emax floppy disks

 

and write banks to it

 

as i said emxp and omniflop software are 2 different programs and they dont use each others software

 

they just use the same floppy system omniflop drivers the floppy drive controller drivers and the floppy drive drivers

 

omniflop only does raw.img formats it cant read any others an d wont write any others

 

so emx/out/ghk/dms/and many other floppy formats it cant read or write

 

for these there are other image utilities most are dos based like glieber which does the ensoniq

 

then theres the sdisk .out formats for roland

 

fdisk

 

total commander

 

teledisk

 

and many other image making programs

 

the hxc floppy emulator uses its own format and has drivers to read certain other formats

 

so that its controller can emulate the actual disk format of the actual machine its emulating so the synth or sampler can read and write to the images

 

so the only time you should use omniflop for the emax is to create the se upgrade disk

 

and thats it

 

all other functions should be done with the emxp 

 

emxp works period and i have been using it since esynthesis first anounced it and sent back info for things not working

 

we have alos talked about other formats over the years like the mirage floppy and sample format

 

the korg dss1 is another format talked about as esynthesis made the dss1/dsm1 library available in img format as it was a wierd dos format before that was hard to get to disk so he converted the lot to img format so it could be read and imaged by omniflop software img program

 

the reason why you were having such problems are your confusing the 2 software programs

----- Original Message ----- 

From: jammie <mailto:jammie.emma@...>  

To: emax@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:47 AM

Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

 

  

no it cant

 

as the ez1 file is an iso file which is a hd/cdrom img fromat

 

omniflop only does floppy formats upto 400k to 1.44mb

 

the 400k being ensoniq mirage

 

most 720k formats

 

ensoniq 820k formats

 

and many others 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Windrum Scoggin <mailto:windrumscoggin@...>  

To: emax@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:52 AM

Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

 

  

So theoretically then 

OmniFlop should be able to

Take an .ez1 image file created in EMXP and write it to floppy disk? 

Anytime I use omniflop it ends up looking for a.IMG file and can tell me if it's recognized

But is unable to write the Emax OS  disk image, even when I direct OmniFlop to the EMX file.  Instead I have to use EMXP or the Emax itself to write an Image file that can be bootable into Emax. and so far due to a bad Emax floppy disk drive I can't even do that's

i've tried several times and to this very day

I've never gotten EMXP, let alone OmniFlop to do so and I've been working with BOTH programs for almost a almost week now, so that should definitely make me an expert  (ha ha)

;)

 

 Question: can  OmniFlop directly copy/clone an Emax Floppy disk created either on an Emax or EMXP/EMX?

so that you could give it to another person and they could load it on their Emax?

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammie wrote:

  

you cant use omniflop to write the os

 

you need to write the os in emxp

 

emxp uses the omn iflop driver to format and write to emax floppy

 

but its done inside emxp

 

you use omiflop to write images made

 

and why you write the se upgrade disk in the omniflop software direct and not emxp

 

your confusing the 2 programs

 

emxp = format emax disks write to emax floppy disks

 

omniflop = reading and writing to and from img format raw floppy image files

 

be it emax/ensoniq/korgdss1/korg t 1/2/3/ex and any other format it can create raw images from

 

tyhey are 2 seperate programs

 

emxp just uses the omniflop driver to createw its disks but does not use the omniflop software to write images

 

thats where you are getting confused

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Windrum Scoggin 

To: emax@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM

Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS

 

  

Jammie 

Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.

The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.

 I think this is where he is getting confused.

Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
I can't do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read

 So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.

Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it's written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.

 

My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his  own Emax. 

If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas  a bad FDD

In his Emax

Just some troubleshooting tips

I had to learn the hard way

For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC

Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read 

Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned  floppy disk drive in his Emax too

 

On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything

You want to hear 

so I just won't try to say anything 

Anymore  wrote:

like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

its under esynthesis name

emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
or use omniflop

its the only way

the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
to se

those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
you get wrong software message
----- Original Message -----
From: "userlists" <userlists@...>
To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


> Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
>
> I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
> are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
>
> I put to Floppy:
>
> - Emax OS SE 1.1
> - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
> - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
>
> I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
> or "Wrong Software Rev."
>
> I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
> disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
>



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Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-27 by jammie

no same again you need the full code to implement that with a portion for the os

but there is no room on the eprom and why the eprom is bigger on the se hd scsi versions 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lorne Hammond 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:54 PM
  Subject: RE: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS


    

  would it be possible to put the most current os on an eprom and then loose the need to go plus to scisi?

  Lorne



  From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jammie
  Sent: October-27-13 2:17 AM
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS



    

   

  no because you have not loaded the plus os to disk



  the emax se hd os1.1 is not the plus os



  you need the plus os which has the ability



  to change scsi id by pressing the transpose button for an external zip drive scsi id5 with ttermination on 



  you need 



  emaxplus10.zip this is the plus os



  if you have a zip drive you can use one of teds 20mb full bank image files as they have the plus os written on them 

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: chris@... 

    To: emax@yahoogroups.com 

    Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:47 AM

    Subject: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS



      

    Thank you guys, it's done!!!

    Since my Account-Approval was pendent, I couldn't access the Image File before :-(

    Now here, what I've done:

    1. Formatted the Floppies with Omniflop
    2. Wrote the EmaxSEUpgrade.img with Omniflop to Disc
    3. Wrote the Emax SE OS1.1 and the Emax SE HD OS 1.1 with EMXP to Discs.
    4. Booted up the Emax with the SE Upgrade Disc
    5. Copied the first of the other Updates inside Emax to an existing Emax Bank Floppy Disc and booted with it. Then I did it with the other Update.

    Now I have an actual Emax 1 and I can try to attach an external ZIP-Drive.

    What I didn't find out yet: Pressing the Transpose-Button should give the possibility to change the SCSI-Number. When I press Transpose it only says "Press a Key" - nothing about SCSI. Is this, because there's only one Harddrive attached?

    Thanks again and have a good Sunday.

    Chris



    ---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

    emxp uses the emx format img files



    omniflop software cant read this image file and cant write it



    it onto a floppy disk 



    now the omniflop driver is a set of instructions that tells the floppy controller how to write certain formats to a floppy drive



    emxp uses this driver to tell the floppy controller that its using the emax floppy disk format and so can read and write emax floppy disks



    and write banks to it



    as i said emxp and omniflop software are 2 different programs and they dont use each others software



    they just use the same floppy system omniflop drivers the floppy drive controller drivers and the floppy drive drivers



    omniflop only does raw.img formats it cant read any others an d wont write any others



    so emx/out/ghk/dms/and many other floppy formats it cant read or write



    for these there are other image utilities most are dos based like glieber which does the ensoniq



    then theres the sdisk .out formats for roland



    fdisk



    total commander



    teledisk



    and many other image making programs



    the hxc floppy emulator uses its own format and has drivers to read certain other formats



    so that its controller can emulate the actual disk format of the actual machine its emulating so the synth or sampler can read and write to the images



    so the only time you should use omniflop for the emax is to create the se upgrade disk



    and thats it



    all other functions should be done with the emxp 



    emxp works period and i have been using it since esynthesis first anounced it and sent back info for things not working



    we have alos talked about other formats over the years like the mirage floppy and sample format



    the korg dss1 is another format talked about as esynthesis made the dss1/dsm1 library available in img format as it was a wierd dos format before that was hard to get to disk so he converted the lot to img format so it could be read and imaged by omniflop software img program



    the reason why you were having such problems are your confusing the 2 software programs

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: jammie 

        To: emax@yahoogroups.com 

        Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:47 AM

        Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS



          

        no it cant



        as the ez1 file is an iso file which is a hd/cdrom img fromat



        omniflop only does floppy formats upto 400k to 1.44mb



        the 400k being ensoniq mirage



        most 720k formats



        ensoniq 820k formats



        and many others 

          ----- Original Message ----- 

          From: Windrum Scoggin 

          To: emax@yahoogroups.com 

          Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:52 AM

          Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS



            

          So theoretically then 

          OmniFlop should be able to

          Take an .ez1 image file created in EMXP and write it to floppy disk? 

          Anytime I use omniflop it ends up looking for a.IMG file and can tell me if it's recognized

          But is unable to write the Emax OS  disk image, even when I direct OmniFlop to the EMX file.  Instead I have to use EMXP or the Emax itself to write an Image file that can be bootable into Emax. and so far due to a bad Emax floppy disk drive I can't even do that's

          i've tried several times and to this very day

          I've never gotten EMXP, let alone OmniFlop to do so and I've been working with BOTH programs for almost a almost week now, so that should definitely make me an expert  (ha ha)

          ;)



           Question: can  OmniFlop directly copy/clone an Emax Floppy disk created either on an Emax or EMXP/EMX?

          so that you could give it to another person and they could load it on their Emax?

          On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammie wrote:

            

          you cant use omniflop to write the os



          you need to write the os in emxp



          emxp uses the omn iflop driver to format and write to emax floppy



          but its done inside emxp



          you use omiflop to write images made



          and why you write the se upgrade disk in the omniflop software direct and not emxp



          your confusing the 2 programs



          emxp = format emax disks write to emax floppy disks



          omniflop = reading and writing to and from img format raw floppy image files



          be it emax/ensoniq/korgdss1/korg t 1/2/3/ex and any other format it can create raw images from



          tyhey are 2 seperate programs



          emxp just uses the omniflop driver to createw its disks but does not use the omniflop software to write images



          thats where you are getting confused

            ----- Original Message ----- 

            From: Windrum Scoggin 

            To: emax@yahoogroups.com 

            Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:03 AM

            Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD Plus OS



              

            Jammie 

            Omni flop is a little confusing I will admit.

            The problem is Omni looks for an image or .IMG file when it goes to write the OS and as we know Emax OS images are .EMX extensions.

             I think this is where he is getting confused.

            Ted has said before and I would have a tendency to agree that the best software disks for an upgrade are the ones written by other Emax Machines already containing the upgrade operating system rather than trying to write one off of omniflop or EMX P or EMX for that matter because if the heads off of alignment in the PC floppy disk drive then The Emax won't be able to use that floppy. That's the very same problem I'm going through right now with mine. I am trying to upgrade to the plus OS SE HD Rev 1.1
            I can't do it because my PC disk drives will not write disks that my Emax can read

             So even if on the flop or EMX P or EMX writing good disks my Emacs this drive which is a little kludgy over the years can't read them.

            Terrified this I poop bag send me some discs of the plus operating system that he wrote on his machine and I'm going to test them to see if they will load and upgrade mine. If they will I know that my machine has a bad floppy disk drive because it will read this it's written on the end it will read this written by another Emacs machine. It will only read disks it creates for itself. This is why I have a tendency to believe my machine has a bad FDD. it can only read what it can write. Your BMX P and on the flop cannot read disks that my Emax creates.



            My suggestion is that he take his FDD and create a software floppy off his  own Emax. 

            If any MXP or on the flop read that disk chances are he to like me haas  a bad FDD

            In his Emax

            Just some troubleshooting tips

            I had to learn the hard way

            For the longest time I thought my problems were all due to eat and XP and an incompatibility with my Windows PC

            Fact is it was not a problem with EMXP and my PC it was a problem might Emax floppy disk drive creating disks that EMX P and OmniFlop could not read 

            Has he tried to create a disk on his own Emax then take that disk and see if EMX P or OmniFlop can read it? fif they won't read it chances are he has a misaligned  floppy disk drive in his Emax too



            On Saturday, October 26, 2013, jammieI haven't got the words to tell you anything

            You want to hear 

            so I just won't try to say anything 

            Anymore  wrote:

            like i said you need the omniflop img of the se upgrade disk

            its under esynthesis name

            emxp cant use or create this disk you need to use either dos like ted does
            or use omniflop

            its the only way

            the reason you are getting wrong software is because you have not upgraded
            to se

            those later os use the code blocks written into the eprom to work anbd why
            you get wrong software message
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "userlists" <userlists@...>
            To: <emax@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:20 PM
            Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD Plus OS


            > Is it necessary to use Omniflop?
            >
            > I have EMXP installed and it works - no error messages. But if the files
            > are OK, then I might be to stupid :-(
            >
            > I put to Floppy:
            >
            > - Emax OS SE 1.1
            > - Emax OS SE HD 1.1
            > - Emax OS Plus OS 1.0
            >
            > I booted up with every of them but only get the message "Wrong Software"
            > or "Wrong Software Rev."
            >
            > I also booted with the regular OS HD 1.1, copied the newer OS to this
            > disc and loaded the bank again - also "Wrong Software".
            >



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RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-28 by sweetsynthchuck@...

Its to do with the lun id's,







---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


I have heard rumor that the the PCD-50/60B's

http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180

will only work with our Emax Samplers

if the PCMCIA adapter card is installed in it and CF cards are ONLY used.

Is this true?

If so, why won't any other type of flash card work and why must it have the PCMCIA adapter??

Greg

Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-28 by Windrum Scoggin

Weird


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:00 AM, <sweetsynthchuck@...> wrote:

Its to do with the lun id's,







---In emax@yahoogroups.com, wrote:


I have heard rumor that the the PCD-50/60B's

http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180

will only work with our Emax Samplers

if the PCMCIA adapter card is installed in it and CF cards are ONLY used.

Is this true?

If so, why won't any other type of flash card work and why must it have the PCMCIA adapter??

Greg




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Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-28 by jammie

because the pcmcia is flash media type interface and the cf cards are the same type ide interface and work as bootable hd
the sd ram cards need extra chips for interfacing so there is another form of logic used
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS


I have heard rumor that the the PCD-50/60B's

http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180

will only work with our Emax Samplers

if the PCMCIA adapter card is installed in it and CF cards are ONLY used.

Is this true?

If so, why won't any other type of flash card work and why must it have the PCMCIA adapter??

Greg

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Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-28 by Windrum Scoggin

Right,
so what happens if I put a CF card in the PCD 60B without the PCMCIA adapter?

will it NOT see it?

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On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

because the pcmcia is flash media type interface and the cf cards are the same type ide interface and work as bootable hd
the sd ram cards need extra chips for interfacing so there is another form of logic used
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS


I have heard rumor that the the PCD-50/60B's

http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180

will only work with our Emax Samplers

if the PCMCIA adapter card is installed in it and CF cards are ONLY used.

Is this true?

If so, why won't any other type of flash card work and why must it have the PCMCIA adapter??

Greg

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Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-28 by jammie

luns are a cdrom dukebox format it was so they could have a big cdrom reader with multidisks all on the same scsi id its a protocol and no sampler has ever had it implemented
because its a lun system it means that lun 0 is the scsi slot that can be seen
even though there is a cf card slot you cant use it as its a lun and not a scsi id
so you need a pcmcia card adapter to cf card so that you can use cf cards
now the pcd-47b has 3 scsi id slots so you can have 3 scsi cards but the the sdcard slot can only have a max of 128mb
i have mine in a ex5r
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----- Original Message -----
From: jammie
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

because the pcmcia is flash media type interface and the cf cards are the same type ide interface and work as bootable hd
the sd ram cards need extra chips for interfacing so there is another form of logic used
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS


I have heard rumor that the the PCD-50/60B's

http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180

will only work with our Emax Samplers

if the PCMCIA adapter card is installed in it and CF cards are ONLY used.

Is this true?

If so, why won't any other type of flash card work and why must it have the PCMCIA adapter??

Greg

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Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-28 by Scott Stanley

No, it will not be seen.  You need a PCMCIA card adapter and on top of that, only certain types of PCMCIA adapters work.

-Scott
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> On Oct 28, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:
> 
> Right,
> so what happens if I put a CF card in the PCD 60B without the PCMCIA adapter?
> 
>  
> will it NOT see it?
> 
>  
>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> because the pcmcia is  flash media type interface and the cf cards are the same type ide interface and work as bootable hd
>>  
>> the sd ram cards need extra chips for interfacing so there is another form of logic used
>>  
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Windrum Scoggin
>> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have heard rumor that the the PCD-50/60B's
>> 
>> http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180
>> 
>>  will only work with our Emax Samplers
>> 
>> if the PCMCIA adapter card is installed in it and CF cards are ONLY used.
>> 
>> Is this true?
>> 
>> If so, why won't any other type of flash card work and why must it have the PCMCIA adapter??
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
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Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-28 by jammie

no it wont see it as its a lun device and has no scsi id
it can only see the pcmcia slot and why you need an adapter they are only a few quid the last on i brought was £1.80
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Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

Right,
so what happens if I put a CF card in the PCD 60B without the PCMCIA adapter?

will it NOT see it?

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

because the pcmcia is flash media type interface and the cf cards are the same type ide interface and work as bootable hd
the sd ram cards need extra chips for interfacing so there is another form of logic used
;
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS


I have heard rumor that the the PCD-50/60B's

http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180

will only work with our Emax Samplers

if the PCMCIA adapter card is installed in it and CF cards are ONLY used.

Is this true?

If so, why won't any other type of flash card work and why must it have the PCMCIA adapter??

Greg

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Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS

2013-10-28 by Ted Summers

If put in the actual CF slot, it won't work.
If you attempt to put it in the PCMCIA card slot you can damage the slot, as they are not an exact match.
PCMCIA is a super-set of the CF connector, if I recall correctly.

CF has 50 pins, but PCMCIA has 68...

-Ted
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On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Right,
so what happens if I put a CF card in the PCD 60B without the PCMCIA adapter?

will it NOT see it?

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

because the pcmcia is flash media type interface and the cf cards are the same type ide interface and work as bootable hd
the sd ram cards need extra chips for interfacing so there is another form of logic used
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [emax] RE: Emax I HD Plus OS


I have heard rumor that the the PCD-50/60B's

http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=180

will only work with our Emax Samplers

if the PCMCIA adapter card is installed in it and CF cards are ONLY used.

Is this true?

If so, why won't any other type of flash card work and why must it have the PCMCIA adapter??

Greg

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