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Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-25 by Windrum Scoggin

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don9;t know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.

So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I

Your patience and great kindness

(ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.

EMU users are the best

Greg

Greg Scoggin

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Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-25 by jammie

internal zip drives can have the full range of scsi id as they have the 6 jumper pins
its the externals that are hard wired to scsi id 5/6
yes you can but you need a scsi to ide adapter either a 7720u 7720uw or a 7772 which is atapi only ted flashed these for use with ide zip drives
i used them with zip250 and the zip750 on some machines i had the last of teds cards
as i was trying to see if i could get then to see atapi version cf hotswap drives but they are sen as null devices and are not seen by the emax
the 7720u and 7720uw wont owrk with some atapi version cf drives but i did manage to get them working with mcd drives which are 1 slot but they are very rare
i have some new single slot drives ordered and hoping that the mcd drive i sent them that they can impliment the same signals as the mcd
as the single slot drives work great with the ensoniqs
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:09 AM
Subject: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

;

Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.

So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I

Your patience and great kindness

(ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.

EMU users are the best

Greg

Greg Scoggin

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Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-25 by Ted Summers

IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.

So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I

Your patience and great kindness

(ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.

EMU users are the best

Greg

Greg Scoggin

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RE: Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-25 by windrumscoggin@...

So you are saying that to use IDE internal ZIP you need one of teds 'flashed' adapter boards but an Internal SCSI version will work just fine without any mods?
OK...
Still, seems maybe finding a used SCM MicroSystems PCD 50/60 B
Might be the best option for LONG TERM' storage of sounds I am assuming....
also easier to transfer sounds created on the Emax back to the PC for long term safe keeping.
someon could make a mint remanufacturing those now hard to find PCB units

---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

internal zip drives can have the full range of scsi id as they have the 6 jumper pins
its the externals that are hard wired to scsi id 5/6
yes you can but you need a scsi to ide adapter either a 7720u 7720uw or a 7772 which is atapi only ted flashed these for use with ide zip drives
i used them with zip250 and the zip750 on some machines i had the last of teds cards
as i was trying to see if i could get then to see atapi version cf hotswap drives but they are sen as null devices and are not seen by the emax
the 7720u and 7720uw wont owrk with some atapi version cf drives but i did manage to get them working with mcd drives which are 1 slot but they are very rare
i have some new single slot drives ordered and hoping that the mcd drive i sent them that they can impliment the same signals as the mcd
as the single slot drives work great with the ensoniqs
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:09 AM
Subject: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.

So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I

Your patience and great kindness

(ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.

EMU users are the best

Greg

Greg Scoggin

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Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by Windrum Scoggin

Ted my Issue is not with EMXP . I got it to do a disk image and lay some banks on a zip disk yesterday. (User error I t took me a while to figure out how to do it-RTFM)

I think my real issue is with the Emax floppy disk drive
When I format a floppy on the Emax disk drive the Emax will see it okay. When I take that same disk and put it in EMXP or EMX both say it has bad sectors and neither programs will read it.
If I format a disc using EMX then use Matt's OmniFlop it will read the disk back fine and verify it.
I've yet to try and see if an EMX formatted disk will read fine using EMXP but going to do that tonight. If EMX P sees the EMX formatted disk okay but the EMX disc will not load into the Emax then I venture to say the email has a bad drive and can only see its own formatted disks.

Should the floppy disk drive in my Emax
have bad Head alignment can it be fixed?

What slim floppy drive would you suggest I purchase/use as a replacement? I am currently the high bidder on the PCD60 B that you sent me a link to on eBay so that coupled with the slim floppy should adequately fill up the slot where the old this dry fit in the Emax.
Hopefully the slim floppy is a simple drop-in?
Greg
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On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won9;t work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tel



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Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by Ted Summers

I don't think you could find a tech who would know how to re-align it.
And minimum shop charges these days is usually around $75 for the first hour.

IN comparison- a replacement drive can be found for around $75….

If my disks that I sent you don't work in your Emax drive that would kind of confirm that- those disks are from my Emax- never touched a PC drive at all. Emax format, write bank and tested boot and load bank all in Emax.

You need the adapter as detailed n the website link I sent earlier to use a slim floppy and it has to be modified.
I don't have any now and haven't for well over a year.
Jammie said he still has one though- so if he is going to make you flash cards that would be time to get it…

-T

On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Windrum Scoggin wrote:

Ted my Issue is not with EMXP . I got it to do a disk image and lay some banks on a zip disk yesterday. (User error I t took me a while to figure out how to do it-RTFM)


I think my real issue is with the Emax floppy disk drive
When I format a floppy on the Emax disk drive the Emax will see it okay. When I take that same disk and put it in EMXP or EMX both say it has bad sectors and neither programs will read it.
If I format a disc using EMX then use Matt's OmniFlop it will read the disk back fine and verify it.
I've yet to try and see if an EMX formatted disk will read fine using EMXP but going to do that tonight. If EMX P sees the EMX formatted disk okay but the EMX disc will not load into the Emax then I venture to say the email has a bad drive and can only see its own formatted disks.

Should the floppy disk drive in my Emax
have bad Head alignment can it be fixed?

What slim floppy drive would you suggest I purchase/use as a replacement? I am currently the high bidder on the PCD60 B that you sent me a link to on eBay so that coupled with the slim floppy should adequately fill up the slot where the old this dry fit in the Emax.
Hopefully the slim floppy is a simple drop-in?
Greg
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On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@gmail.com
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tel




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Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by Windrum Scoggin

Crap
If it writes and saves its own floppies just fine then why mess with it. I just hope it reads the floppies you send me or I'm SOL.
Only way to get the plus OS into the system is to unplug the HD plug-in the 60 B set it's ID to zero and boot off that.
Skip the floppy
Since Emax boots off the HD or flash set to ID zero I will boot from the 60B once I get your Plus OS loaded onto An SD card via EMXP
That should work right?
Thanks Ted
Greg
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On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

I don't think you could find a tech who would know how to re-align it.

And minimum shop charges these days is usually around $75 for the first hour.

IN comparison- a replacement drive can be found for around $75….

If my disks that I sent you don't work in your Emax drive that would kind of confirm that- those disks are from my Emax- never touched a PC drive at all. Emax format, write bank and tested boot and load bank all in Emax.

You need the adapter as detailed n the website link I sent earlier to use a slim floppy and it has to be modified.
I don't have any now and haven't for well over a year.
Jammie said he still has one though- so if he is going to make you flash cards that would be time to get it…

-T

On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Windrum Scoggin wrote:

Ted my Issue is not with EMXP . I got it to do a disk image and lay some banks on a zip disk yesterday. (User error I t took me a while to figure out how to do it-RTFM)


I think my real issue is with the Emax floppy disk drive
When I format a floppy on the Emax disk drive the Emax will see it okay. When I take that same disk and put it in EMXP or EMX both say it has bad sectors and neither programs will read it.
If I format a disc using EMX then use Matt's OmniFlop it will read the disk back fine and verify it.
I've yet to try and see if an EMX formatted disk will read fine using EMXP but going to do that tonight. If EMX P sees the EMX formatted disk okay but the EMX disc will not load into the Emax then I venture to say the email has a bad drive and can only see its own formatted disks.

Should the floppy disk drive in my Emax
have bad Head alignment can it be fixed?

What slim floppy drive would you suggest I purchase/use as a replacement? I am currently the high bidder on the PCD60 B that you sent me a link to on eBay so that coupled with the slim floppy should adequately fill up the slot where the old this dry fit in the Emax.
Hopefully the slim floppy is a simple drop-in?
Greg

On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@type34.info> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit o

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Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by Ted Summers

yes.
and again- there are images I loaded into the box site (djtbs1 is my username) that are ready to load onto flash from EMXP that already have PLUS OS on them.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Windrum Scoggin wrote:

Crap

If it writes and saves its own floppies just fine then why mess with it. I just hope it reads the floppies you send me or I'm SOL.
Only way to get the plus OS into the system is to unplug the HD plug-in the 60 B set it's ID to zero and boot off that.
Skip the floppy
Since Emax boots off the HD or flash set to ID zero I will boot from the 60B once I get your Plus OS loaded onto An SD card via EMXP
That should work right?
Thanks Ted
Greg
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On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

I don't think you could find a tech who would know how to re-align it.

And minimum shop charges these days is usually around $75 for the first hour.

IN comparison- a replacement drive can be found for around $75….

If my disks that I sent you don't work in your Emax drive that would kind of confirm that- those disks are from my Emax- never touched a PC drive at all. Emax format, write bank and tested boot and load bank all in Emax.

You need the adapter as detailed n the website link I sent earlier to use a slim floppy and it has to be modified.
I don't have any now and haven't for well over a year.
Jammie said he still has one though- so if he is going to make you flash cards that would be time to get it…

-T

On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Windrum Scoggin wrote:

Ted my Issue is not with EMXP . I got it to do a disk image and lay some banks on a zip disk yesterday. (User error I t took me a while to figure out how to do it-RTFM)


I think my real issue is with the Emax ;floppy disk drive
When I format a floppy on the Emax disk drive the Emax will see it okay. When I take that same disk and put it in EMXP or EMX both say it has bad sectors and neither programs will read it.
If I format a disc using EMX then use Matt's OmniFlop it will read the disk back fine and verify it.
I've yet to try and see if an EMX formatted disk will read fine using EMXP but going to do that tonight. If EMX P sees the EMX formatted disk okay but the EMX disc will not load into the Emax then I venture to say the email has a bad drive and can only see its own formatted disks.

Should the floppy disk drive in my Emax
have bad Head alignment can it be fixed?

What slim floppy drive would you suggest I purchase/use as a replacement? I am currently the high bidder on the PCD60 B that you sent me a link to on eBay so that coupled with the slim floppy should adequately fill up the slot where the old this dry fit in the Emax.
Hopefully the slim floppy is a simple drop-in?
Greg

On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@uvic.ca> wrote:

;

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit o

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Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by Matt

I set my external scsi zip to five and emax ii to boot off it.
Works fine
Hope this helps.
Matt

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On Oct 25, 2013 4:10 PM, "Windrum Scoggin" <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...m> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...>; wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.

So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I

Your patience and great kindness

(ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.

EMU users are the best

Greg

Greg Scoggin

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Re: Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by jammie

no they could not they use custom asics that are no longer produced due to rosh

being that they use toxic chemicals in the making that are no longer allowed to be used
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  Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:58 AM
  Subject: RE: Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?


    



  So you are saying that to use IDE internal ZIP you need one of teds 'flashed' adapter boards but an Internal SCSI version will work just fine without any mods?
  OK...
  Still, seems maybe finding a used SCM MicroSystems PCD 50/60 B
  Might be the best option for LONG TERM' storage of sounds I am assuming....
  also easier to transfer sounds created on the Emax back to the PC for long term safe keeping.
  someon could make a mint remanufacturing those now hard to find PCB units

  ---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


  internal zip drives can have the full range of scsi id as they have the 6 jumper pins 

  its the externals that are hard wired to scsi id 5/6

  yes you can but you need a scsi to ide adapter either a 7720u 7720uw or a 7772 which is atapi only ted flashed these for use with ide zip drives

  i used them with zip250 and the zip750 on some machines i had the last of teds cards

  as i was trying to see if i could get then to see atapi version cf hotswap drives but they are sen as null devices and are not seen by the emax

  the 7720u and 7720uw wont owrk with some atapi version cf drives but i did manage to get them working with mcd drives which are 1 slot but they are very rare

  i have some new single slot drives ordered and hoping that the mcd drive i sent them that they can impliment the same signals  as the mcd 

  as the single slot drives work great with the ensoniqs 


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Windrum Scoggin 
      To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:09 AM
      Subject: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?


        
      Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about) 

      I am told the Emax  (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID  6 or 7 but not 0.  Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax 
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7UrDaA0xeg

      but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE.  I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
      Experts on this topic, anyone?


      On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

          
        I've never tried that; it has a hard disk.  I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :) 



        D.




        On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


            


          Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
          ?


          On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

              


            FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.


            I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.


            D.


            PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...






            On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:


                
              doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

              From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
              Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
              To: emax@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

              Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

              Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

              Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

              Error 89! etc etc...

              EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

              system:

              ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

              When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

              When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.

              So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I

              Your patience and great kindness 

              (ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.

              EMU users are the best

              Greg

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Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by jammie

it is a simple drop in with the pcd-60b you have to make some brackets so the slim floppy sits under pcd-60b
i do it so the slim floppy sits forward by 8mm
as the pcb-60b will rest against the case
i can take some photos of a finished cassette and how it looks in both the rack and the keyboard
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 1:37 AM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

Ted my Issue is not with EMXP . I got it to do a disk image and lay some banks on a zip disk yesterday. (User error I t took me a while to figure out how to do it-RTFM)


I think my real issue is with the Emax floppy disk drive
When I format a floppy on the Emax disk drive the Emax will see it okay. When I take that same disk and put it in EMXP or EMX both say it has bad sectors and neither programs will read it.
If I format a disc using EMX then use Matt's OmniFlop it will read the disk back fine and verify it.
I've yet to try and see if an EMX formatted disk will read fine using EMXP but going to do that tonight. If EMX P sees the EMX formatted disk okay but the EMX disc will not load into the Emax then I venture to say the email has a bad drive and can only see its own formatted disks.

Should the floppy disk drive in my Emax
have bad Head alignment can it be fixed?

What slim floppy drive would you suggest I purchase/use as a replacement? I am currently the high bidder on the PCD60 B that you sent me a link to on eBay so that coupled with the slim floppy should adequately fill up the slot where the old this dry fit in the Emax.
Hopefully the slim floppy is a simple drop-in?
Greg

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On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:
;

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the ;SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tel



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Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by jammie

emax2 is different to the emax1
as for boot operation it can only use scsi id0
the plus os is for having more than 1 scsi device on the chain so if you have several devices ie
cdrom
zipdrive
syquest drive
the plus os allows you to change the scsi id to that drive so you can access it
but when you switch off the machine it gets reset to scsi id0 so it wont boot from any other that you set with the plus os
the emax 2 is different in that it does not boot from scsi id0 but id1 as found out by a customer who swapped out a pcd-50b to his emax 2 and could not get it to boot
but the emax2 can be set to boot from another scsi id once set to that scsi id
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

I set my external scsi zip to five and emax ii to boot off it.
Works fine
Hope this helps.
Matt

On Oct 25, 2013 4:10 PM, "Windrum Scoggin" <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@uvic.ca> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.

So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I

Your patience and great kindness

(ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.

EMU users are the best

Greg

Greg Scoggin

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Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by jammie

the same cassette design is the same for keyboard or rack i make and have many sets of brackets for this and the correct 2mm screws which are allen keys
the rack you have to drill the one bracket of the original floppy holder bracket and then use 2 metal brackets on the other side
also the slim floppy adapter can be fixed by nuts and screws to the upper case on the rack
but on the keyboard its floating so i fit insulation to the back side of the slim floppy adapter and and fix the scsi ribbon and slim floppy ribbon together this stops the slim floppy adapter flopping around in the case
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From: jammie
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

it is a simple drop in with the pcd-60b you have to make some brackets so the slim floppy sits under pcd-60b
i do it so the slim floppy sits forward by 8mm
as the pcb-60b will rest against the case
i can take some photos of a finished cassette and how it looks in both the rack and the keyboard
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 1:37 AM
Subject: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

Ted my Issue is not with EMXP . I got it to do a disk image and lay some banks on a zip disk yesterday. (User error I t took me a while to figure out how to do it-RTFM)


I think my real issue is with the Emax floppy disk drive
When I format a floppy on the Emax disk drive the Emax will see it okay. When I take that same disk and put it in EMXP or EMX both say it has bad sectors and neither programs will read it.
If I format a disc using EMX then use Matt's OmniFlop it will read the disk back fine and verify it.
I've yet to try and see if an EMX formatted disk will read fine using EMXP but going to do that tonight. If EMX P sees the EMX formatted disk okay but the EMX disc will not load into the Emax then I venture to say the email has a bad drive and can only see its own formatted disks.

Should the floppy disk drive in my Emax
have bad Head alignment can it be fixed?

What slim floppy drive would you suggest I purchase/use as a replacement? I am currently the high bidder on the PCD60 B that you sent me a link to on eBay so that coupled with the slim floppy should adequately fill up the slot where the old this dry fit in the Emax.
Hopefully the slim floppy is a simple drop-in?
Greg

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On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Error 89! etc etc...

EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my

system:

ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.

When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..

When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tel



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Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by Windrumscoggin

Right on thx Ted!
'Restore image from'
Here we come!
If those floppies
Don't work I want my
20 bux back
Ha ha ((jus kiddin')

I Just won a
brand spankin-new
never before used PCD 60b
off eNay for $149.95
Free shipping
Can't wait for it to get here

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=251365504244
Hope its well worth
My investment
Thing cost a third of what I paid for my Emax!

Cheers


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On Oct 25, 2013, at 23:09, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

> yes.
> 
> and again- there are images I loaded into the box site (djtbs1 is my username) that are ready to load onto flash from EMXP that already have PLUS OS on them.
> 
> 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Windrum Scoggin wrote:
> 
>  
> Crap
> 
> If it writes and saves its own floppies just fine then why mess with it. I just hope it reads the floppies you send me or I'm SOL.
> Only way to get the plus OS into the system is to unplug the HD plug-in the 60 B set it's ID to zero and boot off that.
> Skip the floppy
> Since Emax  boots off the HD or flash set to ID zero  I will  boot from the 60B once I get your Plus OS loaded onto An SD card via EMXP
> That should work right?
> Thanks Ted 
> Greg
> 
> On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:
>>  
>> I don't think you could find a tech who would know how to re-align it.
>> 
>> And minimum shop charges these days is usually around $75 for the first hour.
>> 
>> IN comparison- a replacement drive can be found for around $75….
>> 
>> If my disks that I sent you don't work in your Emax drive that would kind of confirm that- those disks are from my Emax- never touched a PC drive at all. Emax format, write bank and tested boot and load bank all in Emax.
>> 
>> You need the adapter as detailed n the website link  I sent earlier to use a slim floppy and it has to be modified.
>> I don't have any now and haven't for well over a year.
>> Jammie said he still has one though- so if he is going to make you flash cards that would be time to get it…
>> 
>> -T
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Windrum Scoggin wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> Ted my Issue is not with EMXP . I got it to do a disk image and lay some banks on a zip disk yesterday. (User error I t took me a while to figure out how to do it-RTFM)
>> 
>> 
>> I think my real issue is with the Emax floppy disk drive
>> When I format a floppy on the Emax disk drive the Emax will see it okay. When I take that same disk and put it in EMXP or EMX both say it has bad sectors and neither programs will read it.
>> If I format a disc using EMX then use Matt's OmniFlop it will read the disk back fine and verify it.
>> I've yet to try and see if an EMX formatted disk will read fine  using EMXP but going to do that tonight. If EMX P sees the EMX formatted disk okay but the EMX disc will not load into the Emax then I venture to say the email has a bad drive and can only see its own formatted disks.
>> 
>> Should the floppy disk drive in my Emax 
>> have bad Head alignment can it be fixed?
>> 
>> What slim floppy drive would you suggest I purchase/use as a replacement? I am currently the high bidder on the PCD60 B that you sent me a link to on eBay so that coupled with the slim floppy should adequately fill up the slot where the old this dry fit in the Emax.
>> Hopefully the slim floppy is a simple drop-in?
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
>>  
>> I am told the Emax  (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID  6 or 7 but not 0.  Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
>> Emu Emax HD SE - Zip drive modification - Random banks demo - Glanza's studio
>>  
>> but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE.  I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
>> Experts on this topic, anyone?
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:
>>  
>> I've never tried that; it has a hard disk.  I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)
>> 
>> 
>> D.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.
>>> 
>>> I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.
>>> 
>>> D.
>>> 
>>> PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne
>>>> 
>>>> From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
>>>> Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
>>>> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?
>>>> 
>>>> Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO
>>>> 
>>>> Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO
>>>> 
>>>> Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit o
>>>> 
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> 
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Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by Windrumscoggin

Huh
No Sh#}
I wonder if Emax II
OS is different than
Emax I in that it
Can boot off Anything
Connected to the SCSI
Bus?


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On Oct 25, 2013, at 23:10, Matt <somatt@...> wrote:

> I set my external scsi zip to five and emax ii to boot off it.
> Works fine
> Hope this helps.
> Matt
> 
> On Oct 25, 2013 4:10 PM, "Windrum Scoggin" <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
>>  
>> I am told the Emax  (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID  6 or 7 but not 0.  Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7UrDaA0xeg
>>  
>> but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE.  I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
>> Experts on this topic, anyone?
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I've never tried that; it has a hard disk.  I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> D.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.
>>>>> 
>>>>> D.
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
>>>>>> Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
>>>>>> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Error 89! etc etc...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> system:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your patience and great kindness 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> EMU users are the best
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greg Scoggin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-26 by Windrumscoggin

Well then Ill make sure I won't  'play the 'breathing in fumes ' mix of Stripped by DM -or snort lines of coke on top of my PCD when it arrives, Jammie...Sure! it might be hip in keeping with John Delorean, mid 80's Nostalgia but  I don't want to even risk 'whiffing' any of those toxic  PCB's from the PCD!
Cheers

Scent from my my Phone
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On Oct 26, 2013, at 1:54, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> no they could not they use custom asics that are no longer produced due to rosh
>  
> being that they use toxic chemicals in the making that are no longer allowed to be used
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: windrumscoggin@...
> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Re: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?
> 
>  
>  
> 
> So you are saying that to use IDE internal ZIP you need one of teds 'flashed' adapter boards but an Internal SCSI version will work just fine without any mods?
> OK...
> Still, seems maybe finding a used SCM MicroSystems PCD 50/60 B
> Might be the best option for LONG TERM' storage of sounds I am assuming....
> also easier to transfer sounds created on the Emax back to the PC for long term safe keeping.
> someon could make a mint remanufacturing those now hard to find PCB units
> 
> ---In emax@yahoogroups.com, <emax@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> internal zip drives can have the full range of scsi id as they have the 6 jumper pins
>  
> its the externals that are hard wired to scsi id 5/6
>  
> yes you can but you need a scsi to ide adapter either a 7720u 7720uw or a 7772 which is atapi only ted flashed these for use with ide zip drives
>  
> i used them with zip250 and the zip750 on some machines i had the last of teds cards
>  
> as i was trying to see if i could get then to see atapi version cf hotswap drives but they are sen as null devices and are not seen by the emax
>  
> the 7720u and 7720uw wont owrk with some atapi version cf drives but i did manage to get them working with mcd drives which are 1 slot but they are very rare
>  
> i have some new single slot drives ordered and hoping that the mcd drive i sent them that they can impliment the same signals  as the mcd
>  
> as the single slot drives work great with the ensoniqs
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Windrum Scoggin
> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:09 AM
> Subject: [emax] Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?
> 
>  
> Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
>  
> I am told the Emax  (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID  6 or 7 but not 0.  Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7UrDaA0xeg
>  
> but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE.  I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
> Experts on this topic, anyone?
> 
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:
>  
> I've never tried that; it has a hard disk.  I have booted a Mac          Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)
> 
> 
> D.
> 
> 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:
> 
>>  
>> 
>> Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
>> ?
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.
>> 
>> I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.
>> 
>> D.
>> 
>> PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:
>> 
>>>  
>>> doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne
>>> 
>>> From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
>>> Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
>>> To: emax@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?
>>> 
>>> Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO
>>> 
>>> Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO
>>> 
>>> Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO
>>> 
>>> Error 89! etc etc...
>>> 
>>> EMXP won't work in any of the above OS configurations on my
>>> 
>>> system:
>>> 
>>> ASUS P5E MOBO with TEAC FDD running 4 gig Patriot DDR2 800Mhz RAM and Intel Core2Quad 2.4 ghz CPU.
>>> 
>>> When I say won't work I mean it wont see my internal IDE ZIP drive, a FAT32 formatted CF card or a Floppy disk formatted in my EMAX I OS SE rev 1.1 as usable media and gives me errors to the effect that the media is NOT EMAX usable etc etc..
>>> 
>>> When I test disks I formatted on my Emax I with a computer here at work (Commodore Desktop running Windows 95-yes ancient) using EMX through DOS, the Emax I formaated disks test fine. This tells me it isn't a matter of a bad floppy DD alignment in my EMAX I (The FDD is not the ONLY thing it will not see, anyway) for if that were the case (No offense to Jammie's theory, it's a good one nonetheless!) the Emax I formatted disks would not check out fine, nor be able to be read by the Win95 system here at work. IE: EMX would see the disks as bad, too.
>>> 
>>> So, I deduce this down to some kind of hardware/driver/EMXP compatibility issue with my system and now ask any of YOU who are running know GOOD EMXP systems to please share what your FDD/MOBO configurations are so I can build a system that will successfuly run EMXP and finally get some sounds into my EMAX I
>>> 
>>> Your patience and great kindness 
>>> 
>>> (ESPECIALLY TED!) with my myriad questions and issues throughout this process has been greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> EMU users are the best
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> Greg Scoggin
>>> 
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [emax] Re: Emax I HD SE booting from an Internal Zip Drive..possible?

2013-10-27 by Windrum Scoggin

Right on thx Ted!
'Restore image from'
EMXP
Here we come!
If those floppies
Don't work I want my
20 bux back
Ha ha ((jus kiddin')

I Just won a
brand new spankin
Never used PCD 60b
off eNay for $149.95
Free shipping
Gonna buy Jammie's
Slim floppy and rail
Setup plus some sound
Banks from him
so workin
With this this is gonna
Be fun
Hope its well worth
My investment

Cheers

On Oct 25, 2013, at 23:09, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

yes.

and again- there are images I loaded into the box site (djtbs1 is my username) that are ready to load onto flash from EMXP that already have PLUS OS on them.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Windrum Scoggin wrote:

Crap

If it writes and saves its own floppies just fine then why mess with it. I just hope it reads the floppies you send me or I'm SOL.
Only way to get the plus OS into the system is to unplug the HD plug-in the 60 B set it's ID to zero and boot off that.
Skip the floppy
Since Emax boots off the HD or flash set to ID zero I will boot from the 60B once I get your Plus OS loaded onto An SD card via EMXP
That should work right?
Thanks Ted
Greg
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On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

I don't think you could find a tech who would know how to re-align it.

And minimum shop charges these days is usually around $75 for the first hour.

IN comparison- a replacement drive can be found for around $75….

If my disks that I sent you don't work in your Emax drive that would kind of confirm that- those disks are from my Emax- never touched a PC drive at all. Emax format, write bank and tested boot and load bank all in Emax.

You need the adapter as detailed n the website link I sent earlier to use a slim floppy and it has to be modified.
I don't have any now and haven't for well over a year.
Jammie said he still has one though- so if he is going to make you flash cards that would be time to get it…

-T

On Oct 25, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Windrum Scoggin wrote:

Ted my Issue is not with EMXP . I got it to do a disk image and lay some banks on a zip disk yesterday. (User error I t took me a while to figure out how to do it-RTFM)


I think my real issue is with the Emax floppy disk drive
When I format a floppy on the Emax disk drive the Emax will see it okay. When I take that same disk and put it in EMXP or EMX both say it has bad sectors and neither programs will read it.
If I format a disc using EMX then use Matt's OmniFlop it will read the disk back fine and verify it.
I've yet to try and see if an EMX formatted disk will read fine using EMXP but going to do that tonight. If EMX P sees the EMX formatted disk okay but the EMX disc will not load into the Emax then I venture to say the email has a bad drive and can only see its own formatted disks.

Should the floppy disk drive in my Emax
have bad Head alignment can it be fixed?

What slim floppy drive would you suggest I purchase/use as a replacement? I am currently the high bidder on the PCD60 B that you sent me a link to on eBay so that coupled with the slim floppy should adequately fill up the slot where the old this dry fit in the Emax.
Hopefully the slim floppy is a simple drop-in?
Greg

On Friday, October 25, 2013, Ted Summers wrote:

IDE interface doesn't exist in Emax. Only SCSI and FDD.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

Oh, was just asking if you got your Emax with Internal Zip to boot from it as I thought maybe somone had figured out a trick to get the SCSI Zip drive to be seen as SCSI ID 0 by the Emax (maybe by setting some internal jumper or something on the drive that I don't know about)
I am told the Emax (if equipped with SCSI) will only boot off floppy dd or internal/external SCSI Hard drive ONLY if that drive's SCSI ID is set to '0'. From what I have seen, all internal Iomega SCSI ZIP drives can either be set to ID 6 or 7 but not 0. Now, I have seen on Youtube where this guy put a ZIP drive in his Emax
but I don't know if it is a SCSI setup or an IDE. I wonder if an IDE ZIP could be placed in the Emax and the Emax be boot from it. or is this guy even booting from it?
Experts on this topic, anyone?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

I've never tried that; it has a hard disk. I have booted a Mac Plus from one though, if that makes any difference :)


D.


On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:04 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:


Does your emax boot from the scsi zip drive
?

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Baum <daniel@...> wrote:

FWIW, I have used EMXP with a 100MB USB zip drive, when I was transferring Emax II banks from a CDROM to zip disks.

I used the USB zip drive with my laptop, and then read them from a SCSI zip drive on my Emax II.

D.

PS. I am about to have some more EMXP adventures with my new Emulator II, but that is a different story altogether...



On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Lorne Hammond <lhammond@...> wrote:

doesn't it have to be a scsi zip drive? Lorne

From: emax@yahoogroups.com [mailto:emax@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of windrumscoggin@...
Sent: October-24-13 8:26 AM
To: emax@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [emax] EMXP Sucess Specs Anyone? What system you running with EMXP?

Well, tried Windows XP 64 bit with 64 bit omniflop drivers...NO GO

Windows XP 32 bit with 32 bit omniflop drivers..NO GO

Windows Vista 32 this morning, with 32 bit o

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