EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Murray McDowall wrote:
> OK -  thanks for the clarification I knew there was some compensation.
> It doesn't cope with SIR though -

Unfortunately it doesn't, what a shame. But from what it says on his
website, Stefan Knufinke (SIR programmer) is just about to code a zero (or
let that be almost zero) latency version, so finally it might make sense
using SIR on a bus.
Btw, in case anybody's looking for some impulse responses:
http://www.noisevault.com/ and http://www.echochamber.ch have quite some.

> LOL - I find that for untuned drums EXS24 sounds good and is extremely
stable
> and low on CPU.
> I would have to agree that programming kits in the EXS24 is tiresome
though.

I can't say that the CPU hunger of DR-008 or Battery make me worry at all.
They might be a bit more consumptive but it never got in my way at all yet
(I haven't actually measured anything in a while, I find it pretty hard to
make my 3GHz CPU choke).

> Is DR008 your preferred sampler for drums?

Actually, it all depends on the situation.

- DR-008: Great for ease of use (exchanging samples is just as fast as it
could be), great for it's electronic sounds, not so great for velocity
layered sounds (regarding that the EXS IMO wins), not so great because
there's no global filter (the Ultra Sampler filter doesn't sound too good
either), not so great because you can't edit a bunch of notes at a time.
Btw., I got a personally coded polyphonic version of the EasySampler DLL
(the original is monophonic), contact me off list if you want it (I am
allowed to give it away).

- Battery: So-so-ish ease of use (e.g.: non-resizeable open dialogs, how
uberlame is that when dealing with large directories? When there's 128 MIDI
notes, how much sense does it make to limit yourself to 54 cells?), no
filter at all, a nightmare to setup velocity layers, easy use with multiple
outs, great options to tweak multiple cells at once.

- EXS: Totally nightmare-ish approach regarding patch management (actually
by far the worst of all soft samplers), editing isn't exactly fast and/or
intuitive, great sounding and rather flexible filter, elegant GUI.

So, after all I find myself using all the three of them, DR-008 for anything
I need quickly, Battery to drag'n'drop recycled loops (and their MIDI files)
onto it (it's just nice being able to detune the complete loop instantly),
the EXS for recycled loops in case I may need a filter and for certain
multilayered patches.
Oh, and of course I also use Battery because it's cross-platform (let's see
about Druim 9, which is supposed to load DR-008 patches).

Actually, I find it rather annyoing that there's nothing doing it all in
one.

> In any case these soft sampler based kits like the Mixtended Set are well
> behind the state of the art  - BFD and DFH Superior are light years ahead
in
> terms of realism and ambience.

I have only played around with BFD on a friends machine and must say that I
was highly impressed. Not too sure whether I need it though. These days I
have quite some options to record real drums which is more fun as well (at
least I think so).

Regards,
Sascha