EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

At 12:14 PM 8/20/2005 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi all, I'm wondering if there's a drum set for the exs that's not too
>expensive. I have "ns-kit free" and I like it very much for some
>things. I'm not happy at all with the stock kits. Aside from that I
>have RMX which I like for some things but when it come to using a midi
>file or just rolling your own, I need to have a good natural set of
>drums that will load into the exs. Today I see no end to loops, REX2
>files and do see the value and usefulness in all of it but there are
>times when I just need to have a set on board of natural drums. The
>other day someone on the Logic list recommended "Scarbee"and they
>really impressed me. 
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>I was ready to purchase until I found out that they (The users) are
>having problems with many things like load times in the Steinberg
>sampler, sorry I forgot the name. The only alternative is Kontakt 3
>and it's $579.00USD just to be able to load the drums. I don't think
>so. The company has a great product and it's too bad because many
>users are being turned away because of that. For me, I like the old
>EXS. It's been friendly to me anyway. I also got the free sample tank
>with a sample disk of drums I purchased and I don't like those drums
>either.

>DFH seems to have a good solution for isolating drums for recording
>but again these drums seem to be geared to the hard hit family. I know
>it take a lot of resources to have a multi layered kit with many
>samples but there must be something in between. I'm doing fine on a
>1.33 Mac with only 1 gig of ram because of the way I work. I never
>have a lot of plugins all running at once and have learned to be very
>economical. Sorry too rant on here but I've been searching for 10
>months downloading demo's, listening on line, buying stuff that
>doesn't really do it etc. The thing I love about the EXS is the multi
>mode and the fact that you can mute all of the drums but the one that
>I'm passing through "worm hole" to an audio track for independence.
>Anyone got idea's? I don't post much but I read this forum along with
>the Logic forums every day now for about a year and find so much
>useful information here with the many knowledgeable users I thought
>I'd wine a little and see if there's hidden treasure that I've missed.

I'm not answering your question at the moment (time restraints), but I 
think you've really articulated the whole issue of different needs for 
different people.

One would think with Virtual Instruments gaining a string presence in the 
market that these things were problem-free, but they aren't, as you've 
discovered. It's unfortunate that pirating has affected the market so much 
as to influence the rise of encrypted VI's that you can't use in other 
platforms. That isn't the only reason for VI's, but it's a major part of 
it. Developers would be happy to release their products the way they used 
to, and save the big chunk of money to license the VI engine, but the 
pirating is just too significant.

There was day, even today, where someone would say "let them steal, it 
doesn't affect me." Or "I'll grab this one thing off my friends hard drive, 
it's okay for now." Wayne's issue is the outcome of that - now he can't go 
for an easy solution to his issue - get the good libraries in EXS format so 
he can play them - because of peoples previous lapses in ethical judgement.

(And of course I'm complaining out of my own market bias, but still the 
question remains.)

And of course some of the above is simplified. The VI engines are very good 
- perhaps some toying with them is the key. Also, remember what you read on 
the Net is skewed - people talk whens there's a problem. Success stories 
usually don't get front page.

Now that I just hijacked your thread... never mind me, you just articulated 
this so well I had to make note of it.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User


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