EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

On 24/08/2005, at 4:59 PM, Sascha Franck wrote:

> Paul Najar wrote:
>> I see your point but why do you find that unrealistic? One open hat
>> cuts of the next open hat as played by a real drummer.
>
> No, it doesn't. Think about a cymbal (which an opened hihat is). When 
> you hit it, it'll just continue ringing when you hit it again.
> The effect is geting even more drastic when using lots of dynamics. 
> Thing swing cymbal stuff. There's usually a continuous pattern
> going on with a few accents here and there. It's sounding highly 
> unnatural when the low leveled hits are cutting off the accented
> ones. Just the same applies to hihats.
>
>> Would you like
>> the option of having the open hat not cut off the next open hat?
>
> Yes please.
> Here's a very lame sorta rock drum pattern, 4 bars are using a 
> polyphonic opened hat (DR-008/AKAI style), the next 4 bars are using
> a monophonic one (EXS style). Pretty much a common 8th note pattern 
> with varying amounts of accents on the full beats.
> Mind you, this is no multimapped sample, the hat is also too loud, but 
> it demostrates the issue quite properly, I think:
> http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/temp/OpenHats.mp3
> The last 4 bars just sound horrible.
>
>>  If
>> your answer is yes then simply assign the same sample to another note
>> number and different or no group and you're done. It would take me
>> about 4 seconds to do that.
>
> It's not as easy with multimapped samples, plus, if you'd used 
> something like a drum trigger thingy, you certainly wouldn't want
> your open hats to be on different keys. I also don't like it when 
> editing MIDI drums, but I do so occassionally anyways, simply
> because on a keyboard they are more comfortable to record.
> Still, even with 2 keys for your hats, the third stroke wouild cut 
> stoke 1 off, which might still be ringing.
>
> Seriously, the only solution to this problem would be having exclusive 
> groups being polyphonic.

Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me. I get it now.

Your audio example is clear.

This would normally be the end of my post but something was still 
nibbling at my brain - so I decided to do my own test.

I played an 8th note open hat pattern for 2 bars similar to the one in 
your pattern. I loaded a kit I use sometimes. The open hat only has 2 
samples in it and we are only triggering one of them. Max velocity is 
120, min is 9 - a big difference - to see weather I can get them to 
glitch like yours.

The first 2 bars are on isnt 1 with EXS set to 1 voice. The 3rd & 4th 
bars is an alias copy of the first pattern onto inst 2 where the EXS is 
is set to allow 8 voices with the same kit loaded.

I can't hear a difference between the two patterns. Tell me what you 
think? <http://www.jaminajar.com/EXS/exs_hat_test.mp3>

Regards

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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com