EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

PersingEP@... wrote:
> Hmmm, not much info there.....Downloaded from where?...and how do you
really
> know it is "copyright free"?

Ok, of course I don't *know* it's copyright free, but I got it from one of
the more or less wellknown download sites. Unfortunately I don't remember
where this loop came from since it's a long time ago that I got it. But, I
allways download such things into a special folder named "free loops". Sure,
this doesn't assure that the loop really is copyright free as the original
poster could very well have have ripped it from some commercial CD. But
then, this is nothing I can do about.
The only possible thing would be not to upload such a patch at all, but
hm... do we want that?
As a last consequence, nobody would be allowed to post anything he/she
hasn't sampled by him/herself.
I mean, I have quite a bunch of converted soundfonts, TTis (patches for my
old EWS soundcard) and the likes. Almost all of them I got from the web.
Does that mean I'm not allowed to post these patches here even  if the
original patch had a disclaimer saying was copyright free? Just because
there's a chance that this isn't so?
You know, I don't even *trade* this stuff on some dubious FTPs, IRC channels
or Hotline servers (which is what the *big* guys in the illegal sample
trading scene seem to do) but I do it all through my legal site and even
post to some official mailing list. And it's not that I post whole CDs worth
of samples there. Not even a single sample is coming from any CD. It's also
not that I would ever even think about posting anything from sample CDs that
I own because I'm very well aware of the fact that this wouldn't be legal at
all.

 > This list is great, and it is one thing to share and post your own
creations
> or instruments that you sampled yourself. But re-distributing stuff that
you
> aren't sure of the origin or that you didn't create or record your self is
> dicey and can land you in lots of trouble. Just because you can download
it
> and there's no copyright notice on it doesn't mean it is legal. Quite a
bit
> of the stuff on all these soundfont sites is stolen, illegal stuff BTW.

I know all this and of course there's some problems arising when posting
patches. But as said, in the end this would mean that nothing you didn't
sample by your own would be allowed to share at all, just because there's
allways the chance that it could come from whatever CD.
A while ago I posted some drumloop that I indeed recorded all by myself.
Now, how could you even know it's mine? I could've only said so. I could've
done the same with the congaloop and nobody would ever be able to prove the
opposite. BUT, I don't do so, instead I honestly declare that I didn't
sample it myself.
Even if you don't mean this as an accusation, I feel a bit accused though.
I mean, if you really care about stolen samples you should rather hunt down
the sites you suspect to post stolen material. But all the big soundfont
sites are still up and running. And there are several of them, just do a
Google search.

And then, another thing: Recently there was this thread about the (public)
AKAI sample FTP and about people converting patches and then posting only
the EXS files. If you think about it, there's a problem with that as well.
Am I allowed to use a patch that was converted using a program that I don't
own by myself?

But OK, as a result I will now stop posting anything as there never is a
definite prove that I haven't sampled things by myself. I won't even post
anything I recorded by myself anymore. Could all be stolen material. At
least this will save me some upload time.

Bye,
Sascha