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What is the point of this discussion, Alvaro. It's pretty obvious that some
people pay and some people don't. It doesn't alter the ethics or the law.
Why are we beating a dead horse here. If this subject matter continues, I
will get out of this list. It's getting very, very, very old.

> From: "Alvaro Villalobos" <logicuser2001@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:07:03 +0100
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Copyrights
> 
> Well I´m sorry to say this but I know numerous labels from America not
> paying for samples and that´s are facts since I know some people around
> those labels!
> 
> So Mister Persing just because your stuff is legit it doesn´t mean Bin ladin
> is if you undertsand what I mean!
> 
> 
> I also know of at least 10 artists that I know personally they have released
> a lot of stuff very much sampled and filtered and so on and they haven´t
> payed a penny for that!
> 
> Meaby you can track them down even though you meaby haven´t heard of labels
> such as Relief Records, Guidance Recordings and so on... the list is to
> large for me to right it down and those two are just from America there are
> much more in all over Europe but off course meaby you really think they all
> pay do you really think so Mr Persing!!??
> 
> The best,
> 
> Alvaro Villalobos.
> 
>> From: PersingEP@...
>> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [exs] Re: Copyrights
>> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:30:08 EST
>> 
>> Alvaro,
>> 
>> I'd like to shed some light on some of the claims you are making. Even
>> though
>> you're DJ'ing and you hear a lot of samples on records doesn't mean that
>> they
>> haven't been cleared or that no one is getting caught. That is usually
>> often
>> kept private. Things have changed ALOT in the record industry regarding
>> samples in the last ten years. There are now many lawyers who are also DJs
>> who specialize in Hip-Hop lawsuits.....it is a very lucrative field if you
>> are a copyright attorney and you can "trainspot". There are tons of
>> lawsuits,
>> and payouts going on all the time over samples....you just don't hear about
>> it as much in the news, because most of the time it doesn't actually go to
>> court. The parties usually settle out of court. Every label has a staff of
>> people that check out the new releases (big and small) to look for samples
>> and lifts from their catalog. Sample clearance and licensing is a big
>> business. Hip-hop records make a lot of money too, and since there isn't
>> usually a big recording cost or a lot of live musicians, most of the
>> traditional recording budget now goes into sample clearance. The legal
>> issues
>> surrounding sampling have even changed the sound of Hip-Hop...now there are
>> less samples and loops used and more programmed beats and synth stuff,
>> which
>> is a direct result of artists, producers and labels not wanting to get sued
>> or pay all their royalties/recording budget in sample clearance. It has
>> actually altered the sound of the music.
>> 
>> That's my experience based on the cases I've been involved in, discussions
>> with our copyright attorneys, and working with numerous hip-hop artists and
>> producers.
>> 
>> -EP
>> 
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