EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

At 08:38 PM 4/14/03 +1000, you wrote:

>Is it true to say that neither app can duplicate what the Kurzweils filters
>are doing to the samples and apply it to the resultant EXS translation?
>In other words if you translated 10 programs from Kurzweil to EXS that used
>common samples but different filtering the result would be 10  EXS programs
>that sounded the same. This is because the EXS is not a Kurzweil and does
>not have the filter architecture of a Kurzweil.
>For example I translated 12 Pad sounds from my Kurzweil "Danny Jaeger
>Private Collection" CD.
>All these programs sounded vastly different from each other but referenced
>the same set of samples.
>After translation to EXS all 12 pad sounds were identical. So just the
>samples were translated across.
>Totally useless of course because all the filter settings of the K2000 were
>lost........and of course they were. The EXS is NOT a K2000 and has
>different architecture and filters.
>On the other hand, translating something like Bass Legends works quite well
>because there is no filter information so the resulting EXS instruments are
>quite useable.
>Am I stating the obvious? I mean...........I don't think that either app has
>the ability to copy the Kurzweil's synth engine on a per program basis and
>make it sound the same in the resultant EXS instrument.
>I think some users are under the impression that this can be done.
>They are laboring under a misapprehension...........no?

Couple o' points:

Translating into the EXS is sometimes a good thing, fun thing. You can 
specify keyswitching, controller assignments, etc. With the Mark II you can 
do more modulation. Unlimited Zones and unlimited architecture for sample 
assignments.

But for heavens sake it's a round hole that we try to jam square pegs into, 
the primary limitation being that the EXS parameters, I mean the cool ones, 
like the filers that you mention, are global to the instrument, AND add to 
that the fact there's no "bankload" of Instruments. We could solve the 
first problem like we do in SampleCell - just write more Instruments and 
create a Bank which layers them.

With the Kurzweil, the EXS actually can handle more than what we are 
throwing at it, we are doing a cursory conversion of filter info and that's 
TLR's shortcoming. We have finished some engine enhancements that cover 
those things much better. The Kurzweil is a different animal than other 
samplers because of the VAST engine and it's algorithms. But even so, it 
still does a bit and can simulate more than what TLR's throwing it.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User