EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

> On a fine day, 17-08-2003, HJV wrote:

> I didn't automate by moving the EXS faders, but by
> hyperdrawing in Arrange.  Still shouldn't make a difference though.
> 
> <...>  Just tried myself, manipulating the EXS controls directly (EXS
> in Touch mode) and here's what happens:
> 
> Drag a 'Via' slider in the mod-matrix: gets recorded as expected.
> This is not a surprise: sliders in general are "problem free"
> controls that behave as expected.  It's the popups that worry me.
> Hence the following:
> 
> Change a Src or Dst parameter: the very 1st node of the automation
> track gets changed, regardless of where Logic is playing.  I.e. have
> Logic play, change the 'Dest' from Sample Start to e.g. Volume when
> you're at bar 4, and the automation shows 'Volume' as the node at bar
> 1, tick 1 (which formerly was Sample Start).  No data at bar 4 gets
> recorded.
> 
> This last behaviour is weird and inconsistent with how Autoamtion is
> supposed to work imo.  If you 'hand draw' an automation node at bar
> 4, it gets played back fine, and everything works as expected.  Save
> song, close, reopen: the stuff is still there and still works.
> 
> Hand-drawing a second node and deleting the very first one does no
> harm: the 2nd node (now 1st :) gets played back fine.
> 
> Another weird one: draw node at bar 4, delete node at bar 1, draw
> node at bar 5: a new node at bar 1 is automatically created.  In
> fact, no matter what you do, as soon as you draw or delete a new node
> after you've deleted the bar-1-node, the initial node at bar 1 is
> recreated.  Heck, even dragging the bar-4 node up or down recreates
> the bar-1 node.

aha, now it's all starting to make sense. To me, automating means you are
moving the controls and recording the automation. Hyper drawing is Hyper
drawing. Ah, modern terminology.

We, therefore, have the same results.

My problem before was because I would set the nodes in hyperdraw, and then I
would go into the Event editor and erase the nodes on the downbeats. that
created the strange behavior for me. If I don't do that the automation plays
back correctly.

So my doctor said, "don't do that"
> 
>> Anyway, I just moved the controllers to where I wanted them in the track
>> automation view. In the process I discovered, at least on my setup, that
>> there has to be something on the downbeat and then it has to change to the
>> desired parameter for the automation to work.
> 
> I guess by 'downbeat' you mean bar 1, tick 1, right?

yes, old school musician terminology.
2, 3, 4, BOOM, it's a downbeat.

>  See above: I 
> can delete this one, but Logic insist on recreating it as soon as you
> do anything to the track automation.

yup, same here. strange. I guess SOMETHING has to be there or the logic god
doesn't smile.
> 
>> The tip about moving the track automation to an object is very much
>> appreciated. Now I can mute that and put it in my Autoload for future setup
>> changes. Pretty cool. Thanks HJV.
> 
> You're welcome.  Glad you got it working somehow.  And yes, putting
> the stuff in an object is way handier in cases like this, since it
> allows you to simply drag the sequence to whichever EXS instance you
> might happen to have.

yup, agreed. thanks again for helping me out with this.

teddybut