EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Howdy. I just came across this group and was wondering if y'all 
could help me solve this dilemma. I have a problem with drum loops 
and individual drum hits getting cut off and not playing all the way 
through. I have Logic Audio 4.7 on a Dual 500 G4 Mac. This usually 
happens when I start building up a song, but has also happened with 
as few as 2 midi tracks,( assigned to a single or 2 audio 
instruments), triggering the EXS. The last time it happened was when 
I laid down a simple bass line on a mono audio track over a simple 1 
bar loop in the EXS.
 I've tried lenthening the note in the Event List editor, changing 
the length in the instrument parameter window, and messed around 
some with release time in the EXS instrument editor all to no avail. 
Any one know what I might try next?  Thanks.

On 14.03.2004, at 01:54, natural_one87 wrote:

> I have a problem with drum loops
> and individual drum hits getting cut off and not playing all the way
> through. ...
> ... [snip]
> ...The last time it happened was when
> I laid down a simple bass line on a mono audio track over a simple 1
> bar loop in the EXS.
>  I've tried lenthening the note in the Event List editor, changing
> the length in the instrument parameter window, and messed around
> some with release time in the EXS instrument editor all to no avail.

Hm...
Can it be that this happens with two notes of equal pitch?
If yes then turn off interpretation and overlap (or how this names are) 
in your score window to see the notes length. Play just the problem 
part and try to decrease (!) the length of the note which makes only 
"klick" instead of sounding. If it goes right into the next note it 
gets triggered but cannot sound. Happens sometimes after humanizing.

If you have a single note line and the above is your problem you might 
just select all and force them to "legato" in the menu - this fixes all 
overlapping notes.


Peter

Peter,
 Thanks for your suggestions. It is indeed 2 notes of equal pitch. 
The duration is 1 bar, which I messed around with, trying a little 
less and a little more than a whole note to see if that had any 
effect. No dice. I must reiterate that this problem occurs sometimes 
with a simple 1 bar drum loop(in the EXS24, not in an audio track) 
set to play on 1 of every bar and triggered by a simple whole note. 
It doesn't matter whether I copy the 1 bar object or loop it,it 
plays for about 2 bars and then from the third bar on, it plays only 
about halfway(2 beats, rather than 4).In the track parameter window 
I have tried selecting Legato, 200%, etc. as well as lesser values, 
even "fix" To no avail. I have quantized the note using Whole, half, 
quarter, etc. Nothing. Should I go to the EXS and select "One shot" 
to force the sample to play all the way through every time?

 This is the most basic of functions one asks of his or her 
sequencer in dance music, hip hop,jungle, etc. I love Logic and have 
used it for years on and off, but want to resolve this issue ASAP. 
There must be some gap in my knowledge here. Has this been a problem 
for anyone else?

natural_one87 [mailto:natural_one87@...] 
>I love Logic and have used it for years on and 
>off, but want to resolve this issue ASAP. 
>There must be some gap in my knowledge here. 
>Has this been a problem 
>for anyone else? 

If everything fails, dit you try it in another, fresh song?
The point I'm making is this: some bizarre problems are sometimes
occuring in one song file only. At least here. 
I have a particular song that I'm working on which is somewhat corrupt.
I can't hear notes C1, D1 and E3 in EXS when played on the keyboard via
midi-in. The rest of the notes get through. Very strange. Apart from
that the song plays fine.

Herbert Boland
herbert@...
www.zepmusic.com

"natural_one87" <natural_one87@y...> wrote:

> Howdy. I just came across this group and was wondering if y'all 
> could help me solve this dilemma. I have a problem with drum loops 
> and individual drum hits getting cut off and not playing all the way 
> through. I have Logic Audio 4.7 on a Dual 500 G4 Mac. This usually 
> happens when I start building up a song, but has also happened with 
> as few as 2 midi tracks,( assigned to a single or 2 audio 
> instruments), triggering the EXS. The last time it happened was when 
> I laid down a simple bass line on a mono audio track over a simple 1 
> bar loop in the EXS.
>  I've tried lenthening the note in the Event List editor, changing 
> the length in the instrument parameter window, and messed around 
> some with release time in the EXS instrument editor all to no avail. 
> Any one know what I might try next?  Thanks.


If it is the same note (same pitch), it is as Peter said, the EXS 
will cut the note (both the first and the new) if the length of the 
first note extends into the second, or ends simultaneously as the new 
starts.

i.e. you have to END the first note before triggering the same note 
again:
C-1, start 1 1 1 1, end 1 3 3 3
C-1, start 2 1 1 1, end 2 3 3 3 

you don't have to shorten it this much, but try it first and see if 
that helps. if it does, use event edit or matrix edit and shorten it 
just a bit down from a whole note, a couple of ticks usually is 
enough.

there is a menu/key command to fix this, i don't rememeber the 
name. "shorten note lengths to avoid overlapping" or someting. please 
note that if you have a looped object with only one (whole) note, and 
use this command it won't help (the function does not see the next 
note because the looped object only see one note)



I guess thats your problem, but it could be something else.

Kiotozane,
 Thanks for the advice about cut off loops. I'll try the second 
suggestion(shorten overlapping notes), since the 1st one didn't do 
it. Also I'll try starting a new song and using the same loop and 
see if that song file was maybe corrupted. Is there anyone else out 
there who has experienced this problem? If I recall correctly, I 
experienced it before the existence of the EXS24 when I used to 
sequence using Logic and an Akai S3200xl sampler. It must be a Logic 
thing. BTW, my setup is Logic 4.7, Mac OS9, if that helps. Thanks to 
the group for trying to help me solve this.