EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

> Hi everybody
> 
> Does anyone use a Apogee Rosetta 800 with a firewirecard? Does it work well
> with ESX24/Logic? Driver quality/support? Is this an option as a Pro Audio
> interface with a G5; a cheaper way to get a good interface when you can¹t
> afford ProTools hardware?
> 
    Thanks Andreas 


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At 5:45 pm +0200 28/6/04, Andreas Grill wrote:
>  > Hi everybody
>>
>>  Does anyone use a Apogee Rosetta 800 with a firewirecard? Does it work well
>>  with ESX24/Logic? Driver quality/support? Is this an option as a Pro Audio
>>  interface with a G5; a cheaper way to get a good interface when you can't
>>  afford ProTools hardware?


Latency is going to big a major issue when you move away from PT.

RME interfaces have digital i/o, good sounding Analog i/o and LOW 
latency.  I use mine with Apogee Mini-Me

-- 
Best Regards,
Gareth Jones

http://www.garethjones.com

> At 5:45 pm +0200 28/6/04, Andreas Grill wrote:
>>> >  > Hi everybody
>>> >>
>>> >>  Does anyone use a Apogee Rosetta 800 with a firewirecard? Does it work
>>> well
>>> >>  with ESX24/Logic? Driver quality/support? Is this an option as a Pro
>>> Audio
>>> >>  interface with a G5; a cheaper way to get a good interface when you
>>> can't
>>> >>  afford ProTools hardware?
> 
> 
> Latency is going to big a major issue when you move away from PT.
> 
> RME interfaces have digital i/o, good sounding Analog i/o and LOW
> latency.  I use mine with Apogee Mini-Me
> 

    Why is latency going to be a bigger issue than on other interfaces, ex.
MOTU or Metric Halo?

Andreas 


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Some confusion here.

Gareth Jones <g@...>

>  > Latency is going to big a major issue when you move away from PT.
>>
>>  RME interfaces have digital i/o, good sounding Analog i/o and LOW
>  > latency.  I use mine with Apogee Mini-Me

Andreas Gill:

>     Why is latency going to be a bigger issue than on other interfaces, ex.
>MOTU or Metric Halo?

I don't think it is, but if so it will have to do with the driver and 
also how low a buffer the hardware is happy working with. MOTU can 
work with a 64K buffer, I believe, and PT's minimum is 128K (which I 
haven't tried yet - the 128K Stream Manager in OS 9 didn't work). 
Plus ESB has a little more latency than some other sound card drivers.

Now, that latency is for audio coming out of the computer, i.e. how 
long it takes between hitting your MIDI keyboard and hearing the 
sound.

The latency Gareth is talking about is when you're recording live 
instruments, which have to go through the computer; Pro Tools *TDM's* 
(not the Pro Tools LE systems') live recording latency is pretty much 
down to the converters themselves, so it's only a couple of 
milliseconds, like on a digital mixer.

***HOWEVER*** all three cards mentioned above - RME, MOTU, MH - have 
onboard digital mixing, so you can monitor the live input through the 
card and get the same 2.5ms latency. As a matter of fact, I believe 
those are the only three cards with that feature.

I don't know much about the Rosetta 800, but if as I suspect it does 
have standard native audio latency, you could use one of the above 
cards instead of its Firewire option - in other words, you'd just use 
the Rosetta as a converter and connect its digital I/O to the sound 
card.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

> Some confusion here.
> 
> Gareth Jones <g@...>
> 
>>> >  > Latency is going to big a major issue when you move away from PT.
>>> >>
>>> >>  RME interfaces have digital i/o, good sounding Analog i/o and LOW
>>> >  > latency.  I use mine with Apogee Mini-Me
> 
> Andreas Gill:
> 
>> >     Why is latency going to be a bigger issue than on other interfaces, ex.
>> >MOTU or Metric Halo?
> 
> I don't think it is, but if so it will have to do with the driver and
> also how low a buffer the hardware is happy working with. MOTU can
> work with a 64K buffer, I believe, and PT's minimum is 128K (which I
> haven't tried yet - the 128K Stream Manager in OS 9 didn't work).
> Plus ESB has a little more latency than some other sound card drivers.
> 
> Now, that latency is for audio coming out of the computer, i.e. how
> long it takes between hitting your MIDI keyboard and hearing the
> sound.
> 
> The latency Gareth is talking about is when you're recording live
> instruments, which have to go through the computer; Pro Tools *TDM's*
> (not the Pro Tools LE systems') live recording latency is pretty much
> down to the converters themselves, so it's only a couple of
> milliseconds, like on a digital mixer.
> 
> ***HOWEVER*** all three cards mentioned above - RME, MOTU, MH - have
> onboard digital mixing, so you can monitor the live input through the
> card and get the same 2.5ms latency. As a matter of fact, I believe
> those are the only three cards with that feature.
> 
> I don't know much about the Rosetta 800, but if as I suspect it does
> have standard native audio latency, you could use one of the above
> cards instead of its Firewire option - in other words, you'd just use
> the Rosetta as a converter and connect its digital I/O to the sound
> card.
    
    Ok, I think I get it! Thanks guys!
    Andreas



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