EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hoping somebody can help me.

I have so much new gear to learn and so little free time.

I note that the EXS 24 appears as a Mulit-output instrument.

Does this mean I may load more than one inststrument per EXS 24 instance, as in a multi-
timbral hardware sampler?  If so, how? All attempts have failed.

This is not covered in the manual.

Alternativley, does it mean that I may send individual outs for, say, a drum kit.

Again, using the Aux objects set up as one does for DFH Superior, I have no activity in 
anything but the main stereo outs for that EXS instance.

I know this must be basic. Apologies, but so much to learn, so little time.

Appreciate any assistance.

Simon Binks
sjbinks@...

At 6:24 Uhr +0000 24.01.2005, Simon Binks wrote:
>Does this mean I may load more than one inststrument per EXS 24 
>instance, as in a multi-
>timbral hardware sampler?  If so, how? All attempts have failed.

No.

>Alternativley, does it mean that I may send individual outs for, 
>say, a drum kit.

Yes. This is exactly what it means.

However, a couple of things:

- I find timing getting worse when using the EXS that way.
- Soloing doesn't work correctly either anymore. You have to solo the 
track and solo the aux.
- You can't freeze multi-out instruments.

Personally I've gone back to having 8 tracks for a drumset, seems 
more flexible for my workflow.

Cheers
Hans

Hans Hafner wrote:
> At 6:24 Uhr +0000 24.01.2005, Simon Binks wrote:
> 
>>Does this mean I may load more than one inststrument per EXS 24 
>>instance, as in a multi-
>>timbral hardware sampler?  If so, how? All attempts have failed.
> 
> 
> No.
> 
> 
>>Alternativley, does it mean that I may send individual outs for, 
>>say, a drum kit.
> 
> 
> Yes. This is exactly what it means.
> 
> However, a couple of things:
> 
> - I find timing getting worse when using the EXS that way.
> - Soloing doesn't work correctly either anymore. You have to solo the 
> track and solo the aux.
> - You can't freeze multi-out instruments.
> 
> Personally I've gone back to having 8 tracks for a drumset, seems 
> more flexible for my workflow.

An alternative way of working which gives you a pseudo
multitimbral/multioutput drumkit is to create an old fashioned MIDI
instrument set to omni and cable this to multiple EXS24s each set to
receive on a unique channel.

You just use the MIDI instrument on an arrange track, that way you have 
just one track with different notes on different channels to address 
each instance of EXS.

And you can mix the EXS24s separately in your audio environment.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

At 9:50 Uhr +0000 24.01.2005, Pete Thomas wrote:
>An alternative way of working which gives you a pseudo
>multitimbral/multioutput drumkit is to create an old fashioned MIDI
>instrument set to omni and cable this to multiple EXS24s each set to
>receive on a unique channel.
>
>You just use the MIDI instrument on an arrange track, that way you have
>just one track with different notes on different channels to address
>each instance of EXS.
>
>And you can mix the EXS24s separately in your audio environment.

Yes, the only problem is that most of my drums in the EXS are not 
mapped the same was so then I have to do a lot of customisation every 
time I use drums.

I find it easier to just pull up another EXS and load the instrument 
I'm looking for play away and have it right there.

What would be a nice feature of Logic is to unload samples from the 
EXS' memory that aren't being played. Would save quite some 
resources. But of course this requires quite some planning and clever 
thinking before and the development costs are probably higher than 
the benefit for most people.

Cheers
Hans

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hans Hafner <hanshafner@g...> wrote:
> At 9:50 Uhr +0000 24.01.2005, Pete Thomas wrote:
> >An alternative way of working which gives you a pseudo
> >multitimbral/multioutput drumkit is to create an old fashioned MIDI
> >instrument set to omni and cable this to multiple EXS24s each set to
> >receive on a unique channel.
> >

I use a variation on this theme, expressly for drums. I have 8 EXS tied to a midi object 
(which is where I record all the drums from on the arrange page), all on the same channel 
but each EXS set to play only one sound - kick, or hat, or snare, etc. I discovered that the 
first beat played always sounded late but if I inserted an I/O helper into each track - set to 
input 1+2 and then disabled - this delayed first beat issue was solved.


> Yes, the only problem is that most of my drums in the EXS are not 
> mapped the same was so then I have to do a lot of customisation every 
> time I use drums.

I spent a little time isolating all my kit pieces and creating a single EXS instrument for each 
one. I also use a mapped instrument just behind the midi object so if any sounds are in 
the 'wrong' place it's easy enough to simply drag the played note to the relevent EXS 
mapped note.


Another way is to have the same EXS instrument open in several instances at once. That 
way each kit piece has it's own track although this means it's not possible to 'play' the 
whole kit at any one time. Samples are pooled so opening more than one instance of the 
same EXS instrument shares the one sample set across all instruments.

A multitimbral EXS with effects would negate all this piddling around! I had high hopes for 
Ultrabeat until I opened it and wish I hadn't :)

 Maybe next upgrade, upgrade, upgrade, upgrade.....