EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi all,

I'm loading my exs24 sample instruments and samples
onto 2 external firewire drives. So far so good, but I
just thought of a possible problem:

How can I indicate to the EXS24 sampler in Logic
6.4.3(OS9 and OSX) that there are sample instruments
on multiple external drives? Can I create multiple
sampler instrument aliases that would point to the
related external drives and also show up in the EXS24?
Is there a better way to handle this situation?

thanks,

Arthur

Hi Arthur,

On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:08 AM, arthur perkins wrote:

> How can I indicate to the EXS24 sampler in Logic
> 6.4.3(OS9 and OSX) that there are sample instruments
> on multiple external drives?

Just open the EXS preferences and make sure "search samples in all 
drives" is selected. Also it would be a good idea to rescan the drives 
in project manager under both 9 and X (they have different databases 
AFAIU).

Best,

Andy

--- Andy Hardwake <andyhardwake@...> wrote:


> Just open the EXS preferences and make sure "search
> samples in all 
> drives" is selected. Also it would be a good idea to
> rescan the drives 
> in project manager under both 9 and X (they have
> different databases 
> AFAIU).
> 

That's exactly what I need. But is it possible to
select specific drives to be searched and scanned?

thanks,

Arthur

On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:32 AM, arthur perkins wrote:

> That's exactly what I need. But is it possible to
> select specific drives to be searched and scanned?

Project manager allows you to scan whatever drive/folder you want 
AFAIU, but there's no way to specify drives to search in EXS, at least 
not that I know of.

Best,

Andy

--- Andy Hardwake <andyhardwake@...> wrote:


> Project manager allows you to scan whatever
> drive/folder you want 
> AFAIU, but there's no way to specify drives to
> search in EXS, at least 
> not that I know of.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
Cool. Thanks for the info.

Arthur

Andy Hardwake wrote:
> Project manager allows you to scan whatever drive/folder you want
> AFAIU, but there's no way to specify drives to search in EXS, at least
> not that I know of.

Unless this has changed dramatically in Logic 7 (which I doubt), you can
specify a specific drive for sample searching. It's in the EXS editor >
preferences.
The downside of that: You can only specify ONE drive. So if you have samples
used by yet "unassigned" patches, the EXS won't find them at all.

- Sascha

Andy Hardwake wrote:
> Hi Arthur,
> 
> On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:08 AM, arthur perkins wrote:
> 
> 
>>How can I indicate to the EXS24 sampler in Logic
>>6.4.3(OS9 and OSX) that there are sample instruments
>>on multiple external drives?
> 
> 
> Just open the EXS preferences and make sure "search samples in all 
> drives" is selected. Also it would be a good idea to rescan the drives 
> in project manager under both 9 and X (they have different databases 
> AFAIU).
> 

I may be wrong (it has been known!) but I think this only applies to 
samples, not EXS instruments.

These need to be in a sampler instruments folder or alias in the 
application support folder (unless specific to a song).

You can therefore have only two sampler instruments folders, one in the 
system/library/application support/logic folder

and another in

user/yourname/application support/logic folder.

Normally the system folder would be for factory instruments only, but if 
you wanted to specify two sampler instrument folders or aliases you 
could put some user instruments in that one.

However it's a better idea to keep all the instruments in one place 
(your user library) and your samples wherever you want on different 
drives etc.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

My bad, I thought we were talking samples. Thanks for correcting me, 
Pete.

Best,

Andy

On Feb 2, 2005, at 7:15 AM, Pete Thomas wrote:

> I may be wrong (it has been known!) but I think this only applies to
> samples, not EXS instruments.
>
> These need to be in a sampler instruments folder or alias in the
> application support folder (unless specific to a song).
>
> You can therefore have only two sampler instruments folders, one in the
> system/library/application support/logic folder
>
> and another in
>
> user/yourname/application support/logic folder.
>
> Normally the system folder would be for factory instruments only, but 
> if
> you wanted to specify two sampler instrument folders or aliases you
> could put some user instruments in that one.
>
> However it's a better idea to keep all the instruments in one place
> (your user library) and your samples wherever you want on different
> drives etc.

Hi Sascha,

On Feb 2, 2005, at 7:04 AM, Sascha Franck wrote:

> Unless this has changed dramatically in Logic 7 (which I doubt), you 
> can
> specify a specific drive for sample searching. It's in the EXS editor >
> preferences.
> The downside of that: You can only specify ONE drive. So if you have 
> samples
> used by yet "unassigned" patches, the EXS won't find them at all.

I may well be missing something, but there's only a choice between 
internal, external and all drives in L6/L7 OS 9/X. How can you choose a 
specific drive to search? Is it a PC only thing? Just curious.

Best,

Andy

Andy Hardwake wrote:
> I may well be missing something, but there's only a choice between
> internal, external and all drives in L6/L7 OS 9/X. How can you choose a
> specific drive to search? Is it a PC only thing? Just curious.

Hi Andy,

To be honest, I don't exactly remember. The only Mac version I'm
occasionally working with is V6 in the university - I seem to remember there
was an option to select a specific drive too, but I may as well be wrong.
On Windows there's a "Search samples on" entry which will show the options
you mentioned, plus each existing partition being listed separately as well.
In case I had to reorganize my samples (which basically, apart from a few
songbased patches, are on one partition only) this remarkably was speeding
up the process.

Btw, I don't know how well program manager is doing the job (from what I
remember it's ultimatively slow), so there's still the good old "manual" way
of reassigning things.
- Open the EXS preferences
- Set up a MIDI command to switch to "next instrument", say PrgChange 1
- Create a sequence and insert an appropriate PrgChange
- Select the very first program in your list
- Have Logic running in a cycle - you can do that overnight

Problem with this method: Once there's a patch Logic can't find the
appropriate samples for, it will stop and ask for a confirmation. So before
you leave it running without watching, you need to make sure ALL your
samples are indeed there (which sometimes is sort of impossible...).
The good thing with this method: Logic is caching the last used path, once
it found proper samples, so the next search will be way quicker.
The VERY bad (TM) thing about this method: Should the EXS find more than 3
samples named the same it will still only offer 3 options - in case the
correct sample isn't among them you are fucked (sorry for the word, but
that's just it).
I seriously can't believe the EXS's search function still hasn't been
updated during all these years - has been the very first report I ever made
about it.... couldn't be any worse.

- Sascha

Hi Sascha,

On Feb 2, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Sascha Franck wrote:

> On Windows there's a "Search samples on" entry which will show the 
> options
> you mentioned, plus each existing partition being listed separately as 
> well.

Isn't that one for importing Akai libraries? Anyway, big thanks for all 
the advises.

Best,

Andy

>Andy Hardwake wrote:
>>  Project manager allows you to scan whatever drive/folder you want
>>  AFAIU, but there's no way to specify drives to search in EXS, at least
>  > not that I know of.

I'd suggest that you get EXSManager from Redmatica.com
It's *incredibly* fast and when resolving instruments, you can 
specify exactly which drives or paths you want to use for finding the 
samples.

Example, when resolving  any part of the Vienna Library using Logic's 
Project Manager, you may as well set it running and leave it 
overnight. With EXSManager, it will be done in a few minutes!!

Regards - Colin

(I haven't read all the posts but...)
You can set in the' general prefs/global/project manager' where to search...
from the manual:
Search files using: The following search functions affected by the Search files using:  
preference only deal  with a case that should never happen. The case in question involves 
files that aren't in  the location that's been saved with the song or EXS instrument, when 
loading a song  or EXS instrument.  In the real world, however, you may occasionally and 
inadvertently move files on the  desktop, without using the Project Manager's copy and 
move functions. When opening a song or EXS24 instrument, Logic expects its audio files to 
be found in  the locations saved with the song or EXS file. Even in earlier versions (prior to 
6), Logic  didn't just offer a file selector box, in cases where files couldn't be found where 
they  should reside. In such instances, Logic would automatically search for the 
appropriate  files with the right names on all disks, in every folder. As you may already 
know, this  procedure could take a little while, especially with complex EXS instruments. 
This  behavior still is possible. 

cheers 
rRand
  

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Colin Shapiro <musos@i...> wrote:

> >Andy Hardwake wrote:
> >>  Project manager allows you to scan whatever drive/folder you want
> >>  AFAIU, but there's no way to specify drives to search in EXS, at least
> >  > not that I know of.
> 
> I'd suggest that you get EXSManager from Redmatica.com
> It's *incredibly* fast and when resolving instruments, you can 
> specify exactly which drives or paths you want to use for finding the 
> samples.
> 
> Example, when resolving  any part of the Vienna Library using Logic's 
> Project Manager, you may as well set it running and leave it 
> overnight. With EXSManager, it will be done in a few minutes!!
> 
> Regards - Colin