EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi there,

I figure there are a lot of you out there who program orchestral 
music using keyswitching instruments.

My question is: how do you deal with this when playing back, on 
mixing I usully have it frozen or even bounced to submixes. But on 
playback I get the wrong articulation a lot of times because the 
keyswitch is a couple of measures ahead of where I'm working and I 
want to save the time to not have to listen to it over and over 
again...

Yes, I could look for the right expression by hand again, but then 
for 20 instruments this also takes a lot of time.

Do you not use keyswitching and seperate instruments instead?

Help on this is greatly appreciated!

Cheers
Hans

At 02:21 PM 02/06/2005, you wrote:
>I figure there are a lot of you out there who program orchestral
>music using keyswitching instruments.
>
>My question is: how do you deal with this when playing back, ...


I often extend the keyswitch note to the length of the sequence in tracks 
that have multiple keyswitches. It works, but it's klutzy, and I'm 
certainly open to any better suggestions.

At 16:48 Uhr -0800 06.02.2005, Sean McCoy wrote:
>I often extend the keyswitch note to the length of the sequence in tracks
>that have multiple keyswitches. It works, but it's klutzy, and I'm
>certainly open to any better suggestions.

I have found this posting on Sonikmattter:

http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21779&pid=137058&st=0&#entry137058

It basically uses MIDI channels as group selectors. Not a bad idea, 
but means I have to reprogram all the instruments... hmm... can be 
done along the way, but probably takes away some inspiration 
momentum...

Anybody else?

Cheers
Hans

>I figure there are a lot of you out there who program orchestral
>music using keyswitching instruments.
>
>My question is: how do you deal with this when playing back, on
>mixing I usully have it frozen or even bounced to submixes. But on
>playback I get the wrong articulation a lot of times because the
>keyswitch is a couple of measures ahead of where I'm working and I
>want to save the time to not have to listen to it over and over
>again...

I use keyswitches with the Vienna Library and I find that the 
keyswitch notes can be fractionally (a few ticks) before the real 
note and they still work fine. No need to have them bars before.

Regards - Colin

At 14:21 Uhr +0200 07.02.2005, Colin Shapiro wrote:
>I use keyswitches with the Vienna Library and I find that the
>keyswitch notes can be fractionally (a few ticks) before the real
>note and they still work fine. No need to have them bars before.

Yes, but what if you're playing back from the middle of the section. 
Do you put one in front of every note?

Cheers
Hans

>At 14:21 Uhr +0200 07.02.2005, Colin Shapiro wrote:
>>I use keyswitches with the Vienna Library and I find that the
>>keyswitch notes can be fractionally (a few ticks) before the real
>>note and they still work fine. No need to have them bars before.
>
>Yes, but what if you're playing back from the middle of the section.
>Do you put one in front of every note?

I see your point....
You could insert a repeat of the keyswitch every few bars if 
necessary. (it would do no harm)
Otherwise, Sean's suggestion of looooooong notes would be a way out.

Pity there's no <chase> function on this kind of thing.

Regards - Colin

At 21:27 Uhr +0200 07.02.2005, Colin Shapiro wrote:
>Pity there's no <chase> function on this kind of thing.

Ahhhh that would be amazing!

But yeah, I guess the long notes is what I'm gonna have to get used to doing.

Cheers
Hans