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L7 Sampler Insts Question

L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-04 by Eli Krantzberg

Hey EXSters,

I just installed my Logic 6 -7 upgrade today. The installer placed a 
bunch of new EXS instruments at the root level of the new sampler 
instruments folder it created. I'd like to pack these all into a new 
folder so as to manage the menu a bit better. But the Finder seems to 
be fighting me.

Because these sampler instruments default to being in the root level 
Application Support folder (in the Library ), the Finder doesn't seem 
to want them to be moved or changed in any way. I know I can force 
things by changing permissions and/or copying and deleting, etc. But 
what is the correct way to do this without mucking up Logic's little 
brain and the folder structure it wants/needs to see (for future 
updaters to work with).


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Re: L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-04 by Pete Thomas

Eli Krantzberg wrote:
> Hey EXSters,
> 
> I just installed my Logic 6 -7 upgrade today. The installer placed a 
> bunch of new EXS instruments at the root level of the new sampler 
> instruments folder it created. I'd like to pack these all into a new 
> folder so as to manage the menu a bit better. But the Finder seems to 
> be fighting me.
> 
> Because these sampler instruments default to being in the root level 
> Application Support folder (in the Library ), the Finder doesn't seem 
> to want them to be moved or changed in any way. I know I can force 
> things by changing permissions and/or copying and deleting, etc. But 
> what is the correct way to do this without mucking up Logic's little 
> brain and the folder structure it wants/needs to see (for future 
> updaters to work with).

No problem to change permissions, you can move them into your user 
library, Logic won't mind, however it seems to be designed to work very 
well with the installed SI folder in the root library, and your own/3rd 
party instruments in the user/library SI folder, which is where 
instruments default to going if you 'save as".

Unless you want to recatagorise the factory instruments you can just 
leave them and they show up in the menu as "factory" at the bottom of 
the list.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Re: [EXS] Re: L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-04 by Eli Krantzberg

On Feb 4, 2005, at 5:08 AM, Pete Thomas wrote:

>  it seems to be designed to work very
>  well with the installed SI folder in the root library, and your 
> own/3rd
>  party instruments in the user/library SI folder, which is where
>  instruments default to going if you 'save as".
>
>  Unless you want to recatagorise the factory instruments you can just
>  leave them and they show up in the menu as "factory" at the bottom of
>  the list.

I've got things sorted out for the most part. I put my old sampler 
instruments folder in the new user location. And I placed an alias of 
it in my old Logic 6 folder, in case I ever need/want to use it.

Now the behavior is as you describe. The new L7 instruments are in fact 
grouped together as "factory" at the bottom of the list. However I now 
also have a menu item there that says Logic 6 series and it re-points 
to all my original sampler instruments. This must be because of the 
alias I put in the Logic 6 folder. Also, now the "Garage Band 
Instruments" in the sampler instrument list don't seem to work. Nothing 
happens when I try and load them. Is this normal? Is this dependent on 
what version of Garage Band I have installed, or anything like that?


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Colin Shapiro

>I just installed my Logic 6 -7 upgrade today. The installer placed a
>bunch of new EXS instruments at the root level of the new sampler
>instruments folder it created. I'd like to pack these all into a new
>folder so as to manage the menu a bit better. But the Finder seems to
>be fighting me.
>
>Because these sampler instruments default to being in the root level
>Application Support folder (in the Library ), the Finder doesn't seem
>to want them to be moved or changed in any way. I know I can force
>things by changing permissions and/or copying and deleting, etc. But
>what is the correct way to do this without mucking up Logic's little
>brain and the folder structure it wants/needs to see (for future
>updaters to work with).

Hi Eli,

In response to this original post, I've attached some info from a 
website (can't remember where..) which lists all the locations of new 
files in Logic 7.

You can certainly move things around, but I've come to realise that 
Apple likes things to be where *they* decide, and further updates and 
installers will look in these specified locations.

It could be less hassle to simply get used to their new filing system..... X;{

Regards - Colin
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Earlier Versions
In earlier versions the folders containing EXS24 Sampler Instruments, 
custom arrange page icons and your Autoload song template all went in 
the main Logic Application folder. You could put the Sampler 
Instruments folder somewhere else as long as there was an alias 
calledSampler Instruments located in the Logic folder.
Logic Pro 7 Folders

These are now in the Application Support Folder but there are a few 
differences. The factory default folders for Song Templates, Sampler 
Instruments, EXS samples, plug-in settings etc all go into:
Library/Application Support/Logic (NB: this is the root Library 
folder, not the Library folder in your User folder)

All your custom stuff (ie EXS Instruments, plug-in settings that you 
save) go into equivalent folders in the Library Folder in your User 
folder:
Users/Yourname/Library/Application Support/Logic
EXS24 Samples
As with earlier versions, you can put these on any drive on your 
computer or connected to it. In the EXS24 Preferences you can specify 
to search on local, external or all volumes. (You get to the EXS 
preferences from the Option menu at the top R.H. side of the EXS24 
instrument). It may help to run a scan in Project Manager, or buy a 
recommended app called EXS Manager if you are having any problems 
with the samples being located.
EXS24 Sampler Instruments
You can have more than one Sampler Instruments Folder:

     * Factory - This one is in the root Library (see above)
     * Users - This one is in your user Library (see above)
     * Song Specific - Saved in the same folder along with your song files

All of these will be available in the EXS24 instrument menu when you 
need to load an instrument. Any of the folders can be elsewhere 
provided aliases are in the locations specified above.
Autoload and Other Song Templates
Similarly there are default factory templates installed in the root 
Library/Application Support/Logic/Song Templates, but you can save 
your own templates in Users/Yourname/Library/Application 
Support/Logic/Song Templates. You can name them what you like, but if 
you name one Autoload, this will be loaded automatically when you 
start Logic. The other templates are available from the FileMenu>New
Arrange Page Icons

     * Go to: Users/Yourname/Library/Application Support/Logic
     * Create a folder called Images
     * In this folder create a folder called Icons
     * Put your custom icons in here

NB: These must be .png files with named with a number below 325. Each 
custom icon replaces one of the default icons with that number.
NB: Aliases to Icon and Song template Folders do not work

It is possible to keep everything in the root Library, but you need 
to reset permissions, it makes sense to leave this alone for the 
factory defaults, and save your own stuff into the users/library/etc. 
This structure makes backing up of your custom user stuff easier.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [EXS] Re: L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Colin Shapiro

>Now the behavior is as you describe. The new L7 instruments are in fact
>grouped together as "factory" at the bottom of the list. However I now
>also have a menu item there that says Logic 6 series and it re-points
>to all my original sampler instruments. This must be because of the
>alias I put in the Logic 6 folder. Also, now the "Garage Band
>Instruments" in the sampler instrument list don't seem to work. Nothing
>happens when I try and load them. Is this normal? Is this dependent on
>what version of Garage Band I have installed, or anything like that?

Have you tried to <refresh> in EXS24?
These instruments are located in:
~/Library/Application Support/Garageband/Instrument 
Library/Sampler/Sampler instruments

(see my earlier post about where Apple decides THEY want things to be!!

The version of GB should not make any difference.

Regards - Colin

Re: L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Pete Thomas

Colin Shapiro wrote:
>>I just installed my Logic 6 -7 upgrade today. The installer placed a
>>bunch of new EXS instruments at the root level of the new sampler
>>instruments folder it created. I'd like to pack these all into a new
>>folder so as to manage the menu a bit better. But the Finder seems to
>>be fighting me.
>>
>>Because these sampler instruments default to being in the root level
>>Application Support folder (in the Library ), the Finder doesn't seem
>>to want them to be moved or changed in any way. I know I can force
>>things by changing permissions and/or copying and deleting, etc. But
>>what is the correct way to do this without mucking up Logic's little
>>brain and the folder structure it wants/needs to see (for future
>>updaters to work with).
> 
> 
> Hi Eli,
> 
> In response to this original post, I've attached some info from a 
> website (can't remember where..) 

It was here...

http://www.petethomas.co.uk/logic-apple-pro-7.html

Glad you found it useful.


-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments


which lists all the locations of new
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> files in Logic 7.
> 
> You can certainly move things around, but I've come to realise that 
> Apple likes things to be where *they* decide, and further updates and 
> installers will look in these specified locations.
> 
> It could be less hassle to simply get used to their new filing system..... X;{
> 
> Regards - Colin
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Earlier Versions
> In earlier versions the folders containing EXS24 Sampler Instruments, 
> custom arrange page icons and your Autoload song template all went in 
> the main Logic Application folder. You could put the Sampler 
> Instruments folder somewhere else as long as there was an alias 
> calledSampler Instruments located in the Logic folder.
> Logic Pro 7 Folders
> 
> These are now in the Application Support Folder but there are a few 
> differences. The factory default folders for Song Templates, Sampler 
> Instruments, EXS samples, plug-in settings etc all go into:
> Library/Application Support/Logic (NB: this is the root Library 
> folder, not the Library folder in your User folder)
> 
> All your custom stuff (ie EXS Instruments, plug-in settings that you 
> save) go into equivalent folders in the Library Folder in your User 
> folder:
> Users/Yourname/Library/Application Support/Logic
> EXS24 Samples
> As with earlier versions, you can put these on any drive on your 
> computer or connected to it. In the EXS24 Preferences you can specify 
> to search on local, external or all volumes. (You get to the EXS 
> preferences from the Option menu at the top R.H. side of the EXS24 
> instrument). It may help to run a scan in Project Manager, or buy a 
> recommended app called EXS Manager if you are having any problems 
> with the samples being located.
> EXS24 Sampler Instruments
> You can have more than one Sampler Instruments Folder:
> 
>      * Factory - This one is in the root Library (see above)
>      * Users - This one is in your user Library (see above)
>      * Song Specific - Saved in the same folder along with your song files
> 
> All of these will be available in the EXS24 instrument menu when you 
> need to load an instrument. Any of the folders can be elsewhere 
> provided aliases are in the locations specified above.
> Autoload and Other Song Templates
> Similarly there are default factory templates installed in the root 
> Library/Application Support/Logic/Song Templates, but you can save 
> your own templates in Users/Yourname/Library/Application 
> Support/Logic/Song Templates. You can name them what you like, but if 
> you name one Autoload, this will be loaded automatically when you 
> start Logic. The other templates are available from the FileMenu>New
> Arrange Page Icons
> 
>      * Go to: Users/Yourname/Library/Application Support/Logic
>      * Create a folder called Images
>      * In this folder create a folder called Icons
>      * Put your custom icons in here
> 
> NB: These must be .png files with named with a number below 325. Each 
> custom icon replaces one of the default icons with that number.
> NB: Aliases to Icon and Song template Folders do not work
> 
> It is possible to keep everything in the root Library, but you need 
> to reset permissions, it makes sense to leave this alone for the 
> factory defaults, and save your own stuff into the users/library/etc. 
> This structure makes backing up of your custom user stuff easier.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [EXS] Re: L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Eli Krantzberg

On Feb 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Colin Shapiro wrote:

> >now the "Garage Band
>  >Instruments" in the sampler instrument list don't seem to work.
>
>  Have you tried to <refresh> in EXS24?
>  These instruments are located in:
>  ~/Library/Application Support/Garageband/Instrument
>  Library/Sampler/Sampler instruments

Refresh isn't an issue. I've restarted several times. The instruments 
are in fact in the proper Garage Band folder. I "eyeballed them" in the 
Finder just to make sure. The only thing I can think of is that maybe 
with all the old and new instruments plus the unnecessary alias, etc; 
that maybe I'm reaching the maximum number limits of instruments? I'll 
investigate this further and report back.

And yes, the info on your site was very helpful. I have my head around 
where everything goes now. And as such, can and will easily incorporate 
Apple's preferred file management/location


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Re: [EXS] Re: L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Eli Krantzberg

On Feb 6, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Colin Shapiro wrote:


>  Have you tried to <refresh> in EXS24?
>  These instruments are located in:
>  ~/Library/Application Support/Garageband/Instrument
>  Library/Sampler/Sampler instruments
>
>  (see my earlier post about where Apple decides THEY want things to 
> be!!
>
>  The version of GB should not make any difference.


Yup.... it was the file limit. With all the aliases, duplications, etc; 
I guess I was over. I pulled out the alias and that did the trick. I've 
got some cleaning up and organizing to do!

And thanks to Pete for the info on the web site..... I meant Pete in my 
last email, even though I was quoting Colin's  reply.


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

[EXS] Re: L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Colin Shapiro

>  > In response to this original post, I've attached some info from a
>>  website (can't remember where..)
>
>It was here...
>
>http://www.petethomas.co.uk/logic-apple-pro-7.html
>
>Glad you found it useful.
>
>
>--
>Pete Thomas
>www.petethomas.co.uk
>- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Thanks for stepping forwards Pete!!
Thanks too for that info......

Regards - Colin

Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Andy Hardwake

80.80.111.240/instID=116
Subject: Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question
X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=200408628
X-Yahoo-Profile: digitalmechanics

Hi Eli,

I kept having all kinds of EXS related problems before I came to the following workaround:
1. Leave all factory sampler instruments where they are, I.E. /library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments;
2. Move all your custom instruments to your home folder, I.E. ~/library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments (you have to create one if it still does not exist);
3. Make an aliase of the instruments folder you've just moved your instruments to and put it to your L6 folder (9 and X), alternatively remove L6 folders from your L7 partition if you don't have plans to use L6 any longer;
4. In case you still have problems, remove the instruments partition from your home folder, start Logic 7 and let the Progect manager scan the drive without your custom instruments. This way it will re-assign samples to the factory and GarageBand instruments as it originally assigns samples to your custom instruments with the same name in your home folder if those exist.

Just my $0.02.

Best,

Andy

Eli wrote:
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>>I just installed my Logic 6 -7 upgrade today. The installer placed a
>>bunch of new EXS instruments at the root level of the new sampler
>>instruments folder it created. I'd like to pack these all into a new
>>folder so as to manage the menu a bit better. But the Finder seems to
>>be fighting me.
>>
>>Because these sampler instruments default to being in the root level
>>Application Support folder (in the Library ), the Finder doesn't seem
>>to want them to be moved or changed in any way. I know I can force
>>things by changing permissions and/or copying and deleting, etc. But
>>what is the correct way to do this without mucking up Logic's little
>>brain and the folder structure it wants/needs to see (for future
>>updaters to work with).

Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Andy Hardwake

80.80.111.240/instID=58
Subject: Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question
X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=200408628
X-Yahoo-Profile: digitalmechanics

Almost forgot... You'll have to clean up your L6 factory instruments folder (remove the instruments with same names as those in L7 factory folder) to prevent L7 from loading them instead of the new factory instruments as it scans your home folder first and grabs the instrument with a certain name before even seeing existance of the other one in the factory folder.

Best,

Andy 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Sunday, February 6, 2005, at 6:39AM, Andy Hardwake wrote:

>
>Hi Eli,
>
>I kept having all kinds of EXS related problems before I came to the following workaround:
>1. Leave all factory sampler instruments where they are, I.E. /library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments;
>2. Move all your custom instruments to your home folder, I.E. ~/library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments (you have to create one if it still does not exist);
>3. Make an aliase of the instruments folder you've just moved your instruments to and put it to your L6 folder (9 and X), alternatively remove L6 folders from your L7 partition if you don't have plans to use L6 any longer;
>4. In case you still have problems, remove the instruments partition from your home folder, start Logic 7 and let the Progect manager scan the drive without your custom instruments. This way it will re-assign samples to the factory and GarageBand instruments as it originally assigns samples to your custom instruments with the same name in your home folder if those exist.
>
>Just my $0.02.
>
>Best,
>
>Andy

EXS latency

2005-02-06 by Lenny Stearns

I've noticed that the EXS has a lot more latency than, say, the ES2 
on my setup.  Is there a separate buffer setting for the EXS that 
could be tweaked?

Regards,
Lenny

P.S., Thanks to all the folks that provided me with belltree samples 
when I needed them!
-- 
==========================================================================
  Lenny Stearns                                      lens@...
  Alexandria, Virginia
==========================================================================

EXS latency

2005-02-06 by Lenny Stearns

Oh, sorry - forgot to mention that I'm using Logic Pro 6.41 in OS 9.2.2.
- L

>
>I've noticed that the EXS has a lot more latency than, say, the ES2 
>on my setup.  Is there a separate buffer setting for the EXS that 
>could be tweaked?
>
>Regards,
>Lenny
>
>P.S., Thanks to all the folks that provided me with belltree samples 
>when I needed them!
>--
>
>==========================================================================
>  Lenny Stearns                                      lens@...
>  Alexandria, Virginia
>==========================================================================


-- 
==========================================================================
  Lenny Stearns                                      lens@...
  Alexandria, Virginia
==========================================================================

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Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Eli Krantzberg

On Feb 6, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Andy Hardwake wrote:


>  1. Leave all factory sampler instruments where they are, I.E. 
> /library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments;

Exactly what I did.

>  2. Move all your custom instruments to your home folder, I.E. 
> ~/library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments (you have to 
> create one if it still does not exist);

We're thinking on the same wavelength.... that's exactly what I did.

>  3. Make an aliase of the instruments folder you've just moved your 
> instruments to and put it to your L6 folder (9 and X),

Exactly what I did! But because my L6 folder was in the applications 
folder, L7 was seeing these instruments twice.

> alternatively remove L6 folders from your L7 partition if you don't 
> have plans to use L6 any longer;

I dragged my whole L6 folder out of the applications folder (dragged it 
to my desktop for now) and that solved the problem. I can now happily 
have an alias in there of my user sampler instruments folder. And it 
won't appear twice in my L7 list.


Pete, this might be a useful little thing to add into your FAQ:

If users want to be able to run both L6 and L7, it is useful to _not_ 
have the L6 folder located in the Applications Folder. Put all your old 
"L6" sampler instruments in the User Sampler Instruments folder for L7 
to see. Then put an alias of it in the L6 folder. Because the L6 folder 
is no longer in the Applications Folder, this alias won't muck up your 
sampler instrument list in L7.

Glad to have it sorted out. Does anyone know if it is "safe" to move 
the L7 Factory Samples to another location, and then just leave an 
alias of it in the current location? I don't normally keep my samples 
on my main system drive, and so would like to move the factory ones 
out. I know this should work, but I'm reluctant to mess with L7's file 
management locations......


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Eli Krantzberg

On Feb 6, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Andy Hardwake wrote:

> Almost forgot... You'll have to clean up your L6 factory instruments 
> folder (remove the instruments with same names as those in L7 factory 
> folder) to prevent L7 from loading them instead of the new factory 
> instruments as it scans your home folder first and grabs the 
> instrument with a certain name before even seeing existance of the 
> other one in the factory folder.

Good point..... I've got some sorting and organizing and cleaning up to 
do......


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Andy Hardwake

80.80.111.240/instID=127
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Subject: Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question
X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=200408628
X-Yahoo-Profile: digitalmechanics

 
On Sunday, February 6, 2005, at 9:01 AM, Eli Krantzberg wrote:

>Does anyone know if it is "safe" to move 
>the L7 Factory Samples to another location, and then just leave an 
>alias of it in the current location

That's what I did. No aliases, just scan it with project manager with the instruments in the home folder taken out.

Best,

Andy

Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-06 by Eli Krantzberg

On Feb 6, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Andy Hardwake wrote:

>  >Does anyone know if it is "safe" to move
>  >the L7 Factory Samples to another location, and then just leave an
>  >alias of it in the current location
>
>  That's what I did. No aliases, just scan it with project manager with 
> the instruments in the home folder taken out.

Just did it an ran EXS Manager. Everything seems to be fine. I just get 
creeped out a bit when I have to enter my pasword everytime I want to 
touch something in that Logic Application Support folder. But I'm a big 
boy.... I'll get over it :-)



--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Re: [EXS] L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-07 by Peter Ostry

On 6. Feb 2005, at 19:56, Eli Krantzberg wrote:

> Just did it an ran EXS Manager. Everything seems to be fine. I just get
> creeped out a bit when I have to enter my pasword everytime I want to
> touch something in that Logic Application Support folder. But I'm a big
> boy.... I'll get over it :-)


http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/system_disk_utilities/chop.html
Open it once and set files and folders to 777 (if you don't care about 
"correct" permissions). Then drop the folder on it.

Peter Ostry

Re: L7 Sampler Insts Question

2005-02-07 by Pete Thomas

Eli Krantzberg wrote:

> 
> 
> Pete, this might be a useful little thing to add into your FAQ:
> 
> If users want to be able to run both L6 and L7, it is useful to _not_ 
> have the L6 folder located in the Applications Folder. Put all your old 
> "L6" sampler instruments in the User Sampler Instruments folder for L7 
> to see. Then put an alias of it in the L6 folder. Because the L6 folder 
> is no longer in the Applications Folder, this alias won't muck up your 
> sampler instrument list in L7.

Thanks, I'll do that.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.