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Hardware control of EXS?

Hardware control of EXS?

2005-03-20 by sc@rowatworks.com

Hi,

I've recently bought an M-audio Radium 49, and am wondering whether (or
more likely when) I'll get involved in trying to use it as a controller of
Logic. It would tempt me more if I knew I could control EXS24 with it. Will
this work?

If so, is there any place I can find a tutorial about how to set it up?

I'm still in OS 9, so I can't use J. Pitcairn's LC Xmu.

My first wish is to be able to change Pitchbend Range in EXS from the
Radium, but I'm sure I'd attempt to control many other things in Logic
proper, and in EXS24 as well, once I knew how to make the connections.

steven rowat

Re: [EXS] Hardware control of EXS?

2005-03-20 by Peter Ostry

On 20.03.2005, at 02:19, sc@... wrote:

> I've recently bought an M-audio Radium 49, and am wondering whether (or
> more likely when) I'll get involved in trying to use it as a 
> controller of
> Logic. It would tempt me more if I knew I could control EXS24 with it. 
> Will
> this work?
>
> If so, is there any place I can find a tutorial about how to set it up?
>
> I'm still in OS 9, so I can't use J. Pitcairn's LC Xmu.
>
> My first wish is to be able to change Pitchbend Range in EXS from the
> Radium, but I'm sure I'd attempt to control many other things in Logic
> proper, and in EXS24 as well, once I knew how to make the connections.


First: the following description applies to Logic 7 either, but with 
version 7 the Controller Assignments are much more convenient!


Let us setup the pitchbend and I am sure you will figure out how to do 
the other parmeters. I assume you want the first knob of the Radius for 
"Pitch" and the second knob for "Bend":

===== Preparation =====
Cable the instrument channel to a monitor.
Select an EXS instrument which can be nicely pitched.

===== Setting the first parameter =====
In the EXS window change the parameter "Pitch" to it's extremes and 
look at the monitor.
You get:
F  2  5  0
to
F  2  5  12
That means:
Controller type: Fader (always for plugins)
Channel: 2 (always for an instrument)
Controller number: 5 (for this parameter)
Value: 0-12 (working range)
---
Now we are going to steal input messages...
Cable the physical input straight to a monitor. Turn the first knob on 
the Radius. You might get:
A controller icon
Channel 1
Controller number 5
Values 0-127
---
Cable a transformer between the monitor and the audio instrument. Set 
it to "Condition Splitter (true -> top cable)" and configure it to 
translate the incoming message to those needed for Pitch:
First row:
Control, 1, 5, thru (just for my example!)
Second row:
Fader, 2, 5, thru.
---
You are done now. If you turn the knob, the value changes.
But there is one problem: the parameter is hard to adjust because you 
send values 0-127 and the working range of that parameter is just 0-12. 
You can have it more comfortable: in the transformer, set the 
Operations value -2- to "Scale" and the emerging upper field to 0.1
Now you have scaled your input to the parameters working range, a full 
knob-turn goes from 0-12.

===== Setting the next parameter =====
Copy the transformer. Drag a cable from the lower output of the first 
transformer to the new one and cable this second transformer also to 
the instrument.
---
Change the "Bend" parameter in the GUI, look what you get.
Turn the second knob of the Radius and look what you get.
Set the second transformer to filter and translate the message.
Special service for your convenience: here the scaling value should be 
about 0.295
==========
ATTENTION:
We have successfully stolen two input messages. Don't forget to cable 
the lower output of the last transformer to the sequencer input unless 
you want perfect, latency-free silence!

I can send you a screenshot or an environment if you want (that does 
not affect our other deal :)


Peter Ostry

Re: [EXS] Hardware control of EXS?

2005-03-20 by sc@rowatworks.com

Hi,

Peter wrote:
>===== Setting the first parameter =====
>In the EXS window change the parameter "Pitch" to it's extremes and
>look at the monitor.
>You get:
>F  2  5  0
>to
>F  2  5  12

Problem: I can get messages from every other knob and fader on the EXS to
show up in the monitor, but not the Pitch buttons. Parameter #5 just
doesn't want to show up there. Nothing happens in the monitor when I move
the Pitchbend popup. Could it be that this parameter isn't MIDI controlled
in OS 9? And all the others are? Or is there some other part of Logic that
has a way to activate it....?

Or maybe, the Pitchbend in the EXS doesn't send MIDI, but receives it? And
if so I should just continue with your instructions and it might work
anyway.... ?

steven rowat

Re: [EXS] Hardware control of EXS?

2005-03-20 by Peter Ostry

On 20.03.2005, at 05:50, sc@... wrote:

> Peter wrote:
>> ===== Setting the first parameter =====
>> In the EXS window change the parameter "Pitch" to it's extremes and
>> look at the monitor.
>> You get:
>> F  2  5  0
>> to
>> F  2  5  12
>
> Problem: I can get messages from every other knob and fader on the EXS 
> to
> show up in the monitor, but not the Pitch buttons. Parameter #5 just
> doesn't want to show up there. Nothing happens in the monitor when I 
> move
> the Pitchbend popup.

Don't care. The octave switch of the ESM didn't show up either in Logic 
6 but it worked. The solo button still doesn't send visible messages 
but it is controllable.

In this case you know the message from my mail and you can test it: 
Just take a vertical fader, cable it to the instrument. Set it's 
parameters to
Output: Fader
Ch:  2
-1-: 5
When you move the fader in its lower range (0-12) the EXS-parameter 
should change.

I used to have a bank of 127 faders to search and test parameters :)


> Could it be that this parameter isn't MIDI controlled
> in OS 9? And all the others are? Or is there some other part of Logic 
> that
> has a way to activate it....?

Nothing I know about; not when you cable a fader directly to the 
instrument.

But there can be circumstances where you cannot control a parameter 
from your keyboard: Automation Quick Acces enabled or an assigned MIDI 
message in Key Commands. If controlling by an internal fader works but 
not with an external, these are the areas to check.


> Or maybe, the Pitchbend in the EXS doesn't send MIDI, but receives it? 
> And
> if so I should just continue with your instructions and it might work
> anyway.... ?

I think so and hopefully I am right...


Peter Ostry

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