EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I bought this piano and can't use it. Anytime i play a
note 
staccato, after it has faded away completely, I get a
single click. I've been in touch with Worra and he
blames EXS and has given up on me. He is sending me
new disks but i can't imagine that will help. Since I
used EXS Manager to link the files, I tried Andrea at
Redmatica but never heard back from him.
So is anyone using this piano Successfully on EXS?
Thanks, JP

On May 10, 2006, at 7:27 PM, james page wrote:

> I bought this piano and can't use it. Anytime i play a
> note
> staccato, after it has faded away completely, I get a
> single click. I've been in touch with Worra and he
> blames EXS and has given up on me. He is sending me
> new disks but i can't imagine that will help. Since I
> used EXS Manager to link the files, I tried Andrea at
> Redmatica but never heard back from him.

Hello James,
actually we are waiting for you to send also one of the samples so  
that we can test it here...
Did you receive my email?

Best Regards
Andrea at Redmatica

> I bought this piano and can't use it. Anytime i play a
> note staccato, after it has faded away completely, I get a
> single click. I've been in touch with Worra and he
> blames EXS and has given up on me. He is sending me
> new disks but i can't imagine that will help. Since I
> used EXS Manager to link the files, I tried Andrea at
> Redmatica but never heard back from him.
> So is anyone using this piano Successfully on EXS?
> Thanks, JP


Hi JP.

I haven't given up on you...:)
I tried the same exs file as you have, using the midifile you sent me,
and it worked perfectly without clicks, as you could hear on the mp3
file I sent you with the result of the test.
The next step is to try with the disc I sent you. I'll contact Andrea
too!
So, I'm not giving up!

Best,
Worra

Andrea:Sorry but I never did receive an email from
you. What exactly would you like me to send you?
JP

--- Andrea at Redmatica <agoz@...> wrote:

> 
> On May 10, 2006, at 7:27 PM, james page wrote:
> 
> > I bought this piano and can't use it. Anytime i
> play a
> > note
> > staccato, after it has faded away completely, I
> get a
> > single click. I've been in touch with Worra and he
> > blames EXS and has given up on me. He is sending
> me
> > new disks but i can't imagine that will help.
> Since I
> > used EXS Manager to link the files, I tried Andrea
> at
> > Redmatica but never heard back from him.
> 
> Hello James,
> actually we are waiting for you to send also one of
> the samples so  
> that we can test it here...
> Did you receive my email?
> 
> Best Regards
> Andrea at Redmatica
>

On 10/May / 2006, at 8:59 PM, james page wrote:

> Andrea:Sorry but I never did receive an email from
> you. What exactly would you like me to send you?
> JP

James,
I replied to you privately, but seems like you don't receive/see my  
emails.
Can you please check your spam/junk folder? Maybe they went there.
As alternative, please contact me using another email address.

Best Regards
Andrea at Redmatica

I'm trying to do something with an existing patch, and I'm not finding it in
the manual anywhere -

I have a patch with 4 groups for each note, with dynamics that go from mp to
f to ff to fff.

I'd like to be able to crossfade between the groups *during* a single note,
using the mod wheel, to simulate a swell. Is this possible?

TIA for any pointers.

 - PH

At 04:31 PM 4/15/2008, you wrote:

>I'm trying to do something with an existing patch, and I'm not finding it in
>the manual anywhere -
>
>I have a patch with 4 groups for each note, with dynamics that go from mp to
>f to ff to fff.
>
>I'd like to be able to crossfade between the groups *during* a single note,
>using the mod wheel, to simulate a swell. Is this possible?

Nope. =(

There is only one "Select Range" destination available, so only one 
source can take it. You have Velocity taking it. (See the modulation 
matrix, Vel->Sample Select. "Sample Select" refers to Select Range" 
in the Groups or Zones.)

To have a MW XFade, you'd have to have the MW address the "Select 
Range" parameter.

Now, IF you had just one velocity, then here's how you would do it.

Take 4 Groups that set Select Range as follows:

0-0, 42-42, 84-84, 127-127

Then set XFade in the front panel (it's a global parameter) to 
"+-42", and set a Modulation to Ctl 1, Dest as Sample Select, and 
amount to 100%. There's you XFade.

Looking backwards, you can see that there's no room for velocity 
splits now, since the MW took that over.

That's probably my #1 or #2 shortcoming, and the most silly 
limitation, of the EXS24.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

>> >I'm trying to do something with an existing patch, and I'm not finding it in
>> >the manual anywhere -
>> >
>> >I have a patch with 4 groups for each note, with dynamics that go from mp to
>> >f to ff to fff.
>> >
>> >I'd like to be able to crossfade between the groups *during* a single note,
>> >using the mod wheel, to simulate a swell. Is this possible?
>
> Nope. =(
>
> There is only one "Select Range" destination available, so only one
> source can take it. You have Velocity taking it. (See the modulation
> matrix, Vel->Sample Select. "Sample Select" refers to Select Range"
> in the Groups or Zones.)
>
> To have a MW XFade, you'd have to have the MW address the "Select
> Range" parameter.
>
> Now, IF you had just one velocity, then here's how you would do it.
>
> Take 4 Groups that set Select Range as follows:
>
> 0-0, 42-42, 84-84, 127-127
>
> Then set XFade in the front panel (it's a global parameter) to
> "+-42", and set a Modulation to Ctl 1, Dest as Sample Select, and
> amount to 100%. There's you XFade.
>
> Looking backwards, you can see that there's no room for velocity
> splits now, since the MW took that over.
>
> That's probably my #1 or #2 shortcoming, and the most silly
> limitation, of the EXS24.
>
> Garth Hjelte
> Sampler User
>

Garth -

This actually works exactly the way I want it to. The way the patch worked
originally was that every zone had all four groups assigned, and every note
event ­ regardless of velocity ­ triggered all four groups for every zone
(the ³Select Range² box is unchecked in every zone). Setting it up the way
you described now allows me to affect precisely the crossfade I was going
for.

THANK YOU ! !

 - PH

At 08:37 AM 4/16/2008, you wrote:

>This actually works exactly the way I want it to. The way the patch worked
>originally was that every zone had all four groups assigned

Just out of interest, how did you make one Zone be part of 4 
different Groups? A Zone just has one Group Assignment parameter.


Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

> At 08:37 AM 4/16/2008, you wrote:
>
>> This actually works exactly the way I want it to. The way the patch worked
>> originally was that every zone had all four groups assigned
>>
> Just out of interest, how did you make one Zone be part of 4 different Groups?
> A Zone just has one Group Assignment parameter.



Garth -

Sorry for the confusion ­ lack of experience with the EXS editor showing.

Each *note* has four zones assigned to it, and each zone is assigned to one
of four groups.

 - PH

At 09:54 AM 4/16/2008, you wrote:

> >> This actually works exactly the way I want it to. The way the patch worked
> >> originally was that every zone had all four groups assigned
> >>
> > Just out of interest, how did you make one 
> Zone be part of 4 different Groups?
> > A Zone just has one Group Assignment parameter.

>Sorry for the confusion ­ lack of experience with the EXS editor showing.
>
>Each *note* has four zones assigned to it, and each zone is assigned to one
>of four groups.

So you got the ModWheel XFade working, but you 
had mentioned earlier that your Zones were 
already grouped according to velocity, which you 
had 4 velocity splits. Did you notice that you 
couldn't combine the two - Vel splits and MW 
xfade? Or did you just substitute the Vel for Modwheel xfade?

I'm asking just to be sure there wasn't any other way to do this.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

>> Sorry for the confusion ­ lack of experience with the EXS editor showing.
>>
>> Each *note* has four zones assigned to it, and each zone is assigned to one
>> of four groups.
>
> So you got the ModWheel XFade working, but you
> had mentioned earlier that your Zones were
> already grouped according to velocity, which you
> had 4 velocity splits. Did you notice that you
> couldn't combine the two - Vel splits and MW
> xfade? Or did you just substitute the Vel for Modwheel xfade?
>
> I'm asking just to be sure there wasn't any other way to do this.
>
> Garth Hjelte
> Sampler User


Substituted. Velocity is still controlling volume for all four groups, so
controlling timbre with the mod wheel is an acceptable trade-off.

Thanks, again.

 - PH

At 12:42 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote:

> > So you got the ModWheel XFade working, but you
> > had mentioned earlier that your Zones were
> > already grouped according to velocity, which you
> > had 4 velocity splits. Did you notice that you
> > couldn't combine the two - Vel splits and MW
> > xfade? Or did you just substitute the Vel for Modwheel xfade?
> >
> > I'm asking just to be sure there wasn't any other way to do this.
>
>Substituted. Velocity is still controlling volume for all four groups, so
>controlling timbre with the mod wheel is an acceptable trade-off.

OK, just crossing my fingers in case someone figured out some clever 
way of bypassing this.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

> OK, just crossing my fingers in case someone figured out some clever
> way of bypassing this.
> 
> Garth Hjelte

Nope, so far no one's cleverer than you.

 : )


 - PH