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I thought I was an amp env expert

I thought I was an amp env expert

2001-08-31 by roman pirie

I've used akai samplers for years and the amp envelope is ADSR with values
0-99 it is childsplay to use. And I always like to sharpen drum samples with
decay etc.
I can't work out how to set individual decays with the exs. The 50% up and
down thing doesn't seem to be able to set an individual group to zero
sustain and changeable decay.
I also don't like the ms decay setting. It starts from zero decay and then
opens up sloowly. All I want is a simple akai style decay that starts from
fully open. Starting from zero decay makes no sense to me.
Am I just using it wrong?

Re: [exs] I thought I was an amp env expert

2001-08-31 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

ADSR in the EXS24 is global. There is no per-sample ADSR, a major downer,
indeed. You'll have to edit your sample in an editor and reimport them, or
go back to your AKAI. There are definite tradeoffs with this technology. I
wonder if Halion does ADSR per-sample...
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From: roman pirie <romanp@...>
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:01:12 +1200
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [exs] I thought I was an amp env expert


I've used akai samplers for years and the amp envelope is ADSR with values
0-99 it is childsplay to use. And I always like to sharpen drum samples with
decay etc.
I can't work out how to set individual decays with the exs. The 50% up and
down thing doesn't seem to be able to set an individual group to zero
sustain and changeable decay.
I also don't like the ms decay setting. It starts from zero decay and then
opens up sloowly. All I want is a simple akai style decay that starts from
fully open. Starting from zero decay makes no sense to me.
Am I just using it wrong?



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Re: [exs] I am the amp env expert

2001-08-31 by Rubber Chicken Software Co.

At 10:32 AM 8/31/01 -0400, you wrote:

>ADSR in the EXS24 is global. There is no per-sample ADSR, a major downer,
>indeed. You'll have to edit your sample in an editor and reimport them, or
>go back to your AKAI. There are definite tradeoffs with this technology.

This is correct, sort of - in the Groups, there is a "override" for the 
amplitude ADSR, which offers bipolar (positive and negative) adjustments to 
the envelope segments. Put a group on every zone and you have zone level 
amplitude envelopes.

>I wonder if Halion does ADSR per-sample...

Don't want to be gleeful about HALion here, but it definitely does, with 
8-stage envelopes, where you can specify how many stages the envelope is to 
have for ease of use.

HALion has raised the bar, and I would fully expect Emagic to respond.

Regarding the original question:

>I've used akai samplers for years and the amp envelope is ADSR with values
>0-99 it is childsplay to use. And I always like to sharpen drum samples with
>decay etc.
>I can't work out how to set individual decays with the exs. The 50% up and
>down thing doesn't seem to be able to set an individual group to zero
>sustain and changeable decay.

Are you referring to the group adjustment or the global parameters? As you 
can see, if you have the Sustain in the globals to 100%, you can adjust it 
down 50%, thus you can't jam it down to 0unless you change the globals to 
50%. If you think this is counter-intuitive, I'd agree completely.

>I also don't like the ms decay setting. It starts from zero decay and then
>opens up sloowly. All I want is a simple akai style decay that starts from
>fully open. Starting from zero decay makes no sense to me.
>Am I just using it wrong?

Yeah, in between the lines I sense you are just looking at the Group 
screen, which is an adjustment of the globals. Look at the spaceship, which 
has most of the globals on it. If you want to see all the globals, look at 
the blue editor.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

Re: [exs] I am the amp env expert

2001-08-31 by Joeri Vankeirsbilck

>
>
>Don't want to be gleeful about HALion here, but it definitely does, with 
>8-stage envelopes, where you can specify how many stages the envelope is to 
>have for ease of use.
>
>HALion has raised the bar, and I would fully expect Emagic to respond.
>
PS: there's an update (v1.1) of Halion.

-- 
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

Re: [exs] I thought I was an amp env expert

2001-08-31 by roman pirie

> 
> ADSR in the EXS24 is global. There is no per-sample ADSR, a major downer,
> indeed. You'll have to edit your sample in an editor and reimport them, or
> go back to your AKAI. There are definite tradeoffs with this technology. I
> wonder if Halion does ADSR per-sample...
No there are groups whcih you can have for each zone. Go RTFM.

Re: [exs] I am the amp env expert

2001-08-31 by roman pirie

>> I've used akai samplers for years and the amp envelope is ADSR with values
>> 0-99 it is childsplay to use. And I always like to sharpen drum samples with
>> decay etc.
>> I can't work out how to set individual decays with the exs. The 50% up and
>> down thing doesn't seem to be able to set an individual group to zero
>> sustain and changeable decay.
> 
> Are you referring to the group adjustment or the global parameters? As you
> can see, if you have the Sustain in the globals to 100%, you can adjust it
> down 50%, thus you can't jam it down to 0unless you change the globals to
> 50%. If you think this is counter-intuitive, I'd agree completely.

Am I correct in thinking this means that when I want to adjust one drums
decay to a zero sustain (which is normally the case) I have to set the
global sustain parameter to 50% which affects everything, then adjust the
one samples group then because I've actually adjusted the sustain globally I
have to set all the other groups up 50% to compensate, WHAT THE FUCK. This
SUCKS.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
PS. Lucky my drum production is defecting to Battery. Bring on V5.0
(multiple vst outs)
Peace.
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>> I also don't like the ms decay setting. It starts from zero decay and then
>> opens up sloowly. All I want is a simple akai style decay that starts from
>> fully open. Starting from zero decay makes no sense to me.
>> Am I just using it wrong?
> 
> Yeah, in between the lines I sense you are just looking at the Group
> screen, which is an adjustment of the globals. Look at the spaceship, which
> has most of the globals on it. If you want to see all the globals, look at
> the blue editor.
> 
> Garth Hjelte
> Sampler User
> 
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Re: [exs] I am the amp env expert

2001-09-01 by Rubber Chicken Software Co.

At 10:50 AM 9/1/01 +1200, you wrote:

>Am I correct in thinking this means that when I want to adjust one drums
>decay to a zero sustain (which is normally the case) I have to set the
>global sustain parameter to 50% which affects everything, then adjust the
>one samples group then because I've actually adjusted the sustain globally I
>have to set all the other groups up 50% to compensate, WHAT THE (huh?). This
>SUCKS.
>Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, in Translator we convert different libraries and we try to make it as 
consistent as possible. But it is an oversight to have a override parameter 
only affect a portion of the range.

>PS. Lucky my drum production is defecting to Battery. Bring on V5.0
>(multiple vst outs)

Battery is fun. A little weird, but fun.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

Re: [exs] I thought I was an amp env expert

2001-09-01 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

Pardon my oversight of the global overrides. You were way ahead of me. That
of course is not a solution for me either. I may defect to Halion if it
integrates with Logic well.
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From: roman pirie <romanp@...>
Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:01:12 +1200
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [exs] I thought I was an amp env expert


I've used akai samplers for years and the amp envelope is ADSR with values
0-99 it is childsplay to use. And I always like to sharpen drum samples with
decay etc.
I can't work out how to set individual decays with the exs. The 50% up and
down thing doesn't seem to be able to set an individual group to zero
sustain and changeable decay.
I also don't like the ms decay setting. It starts from zero decay and then
opens up sloowly. All I want is a simple akai style decay that starts from
fully open. Starting from zero decay makes no sense to me.
Am I just using it wrong?



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