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EXS organisation of files

2001-09-27 by mbhelmich@cistron.nl

Just received the EXS. Want to structure my sample files (.wav and 
now also .exs files)

Lot's of discussions here about the organisation and saving of 
the .exs and .wav/.aiff files.

Is it possible to move the folder 'sample instruments' from 
c:\program files\emagic\...\ to f:\samples\exs files. And what do I 
have to do with the *.wav files that .

Is it possible make sub folders in the folder 'sample instruments'?

Any tips?

Regards,

Maarten

Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-09-28 by Dave Howard

on 27/9/2001 10:01 PM, mbhelmich@... at mbhelmich@... wrote:


Yep - I'd welcome some guidance here too.
I think I've got it sorted, but until I get a dedicated drive for my samples
I know I'm going to have to load them up as and when I need them. Any
suggestions for the best way to organise would be welcome....maybe its a
FAQ?

Dave


> Just received the EXS. Want to structure my sample files (.wav and
> now also .exs files)
> 
> Lot's of discussions here about the organisation and saving of
> the .exs and .wav/.aiff files.
> 
> Is it possible to move the folder 'sample instruments' from
> c:\program files\emagic\...\ to f:\samples\exs files. And what do I
> have to do with the *.wav files that .
> 
> Is it possible make sub folders in the folder 'sample instruments'?
> 
> Any tips?




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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-09-28 by mbhelmich@cistron.nl

In the release notes of 4.7.0 I found that making sub folders in the 
c:\program files\emagic\sample instruments\ directory is possible 
from that version. But alos something about using shortcuts. I didn't 
get that to work. How is it done in Windows?

I like to have this situation:
c:\program files\emagic\sample instruments\ completely empty (just 
shortcuts if necesary to....???)

f:\samples\
f:\samples\drums\
f:\samples\drums\drum 1\
f:\samples\drums\drum 1\drum 1.exs
f:\samples\drums\drum 1\snare.wav
f:\samples\drums\drum 1\kick.wav
f:\samples\drums\drum 2\
f:\samples\drums\drum 2\drum 2.exs
f:\samples\drums\drum 2\snare.wav
f:\samples\drums\drum 2\kick.wav
f:\samples\bass\
f:\samples\bass\bass 1\
f:\samples\bass\bass 1\bass 1.exs
f:\samples\bass\bass 1\c1.wav
f:\samples\bass\bass 1\d1.wav
f:\samples\bass\bass 2\
f:\samples\bass\bass 2\bass 2.exs
f:\samples\bass\bass 2\c1.wav
f:\samples\bass\bass 2\d1.wav
...

In the menu of the exs:
drum 1
drum 2
bass 1
bass 2
...

Maarten

--- In exs-users@y..., Dave Howard <david@c...> wrote:
> on 27/9/2001 10:01 PM, mbhelmich@c... at mbhelmich@c... wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep - I'd welcome some guidance here too.
> I think I've got it sorted, but until I get a dedicated drive for 
my samples
> I know I'm going to have to load them up as and when I need them. 
Any
> suggestions for the best way to organise would be welcome....maybe 
its a
> FAQ?
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> > Just received the EXS. Want to structure my sample files (.wav and
> > now also .exs files)
> > 
> > Lot's of discussions here about the organisation and saving of
> > the .exs and .wav/.aiff files.
> > 
> > Is it possible to move the folder 'sample instruments' from
> > c:\program files\emagic\...\ to f:\samples\exs files. And what do 
I
> > have to do with the *.wav files that .
> > 
> > Is it possible make sub folders in the folder 'sample 
instruments'?
> > 
> > Any tips?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-09-28 by Dave Peverley

> Just received the EXS. Want to structure my sample files (.wav and
> now also .exs files)
> 
> Lot's of discussions here about the organisation and saving of
> the .exs and .wav/.aiff files.
(I'm at work not in the studio so my recollection of folder names may not be
perfect but...)

I don't know about the Windows (argh!) way but the Mac way is thus :
In the Logic Folder you have a Sampler Instruments folder and a samples
folder.

When you do an akai convert for example, it will create a structured
instrument hierarchy for the .exs files in the "Sampler Instruments" folder
which is the structure as instruments appear in the UI flip menu. The actual
samples are strewn haphazardly in the samples folder. After each convrsion I
always create a CD for that CD and copy the samples into that dir to keep
them neat. Also allows easier backup. I then rename the sample folder "Aiff
Files" and move it into the sampler instruments folder. This keeps everything
in one place. I had reservations about this initially as I thought I'd have
to go through EXS pointing the instrument to the new file location, but this
just works fine after moving with no user intervention!

As for moving to a new drive, all you need to do is move the files onto a new
drive and create an alias (windows equiv is a shortcut) back to the sampler
instruments dir and EXS picks up on this OK. Easy. I would just give this a
shot under windows and see if the same method works. I'd expect it to.

Let me know if it works. I've been slowly putting together a Logic/EXS FAQ
and would like to include a definitive solution to this problem but dont run
EXS on a Windows platform myself.....

~Pev

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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-02 by spudnikpotato@yahoo.co.uk

*snip*
>I've been slowly putting together a Logic/EXS FAQ
> and would like to include a definitive solution to this problem but 
dont run
> EXS on a Windows platform myself.....

I use exs on windows.
I keep all my samples etc on my D: drive (D:\audio\Sampler 
Instruments). I simply made this dir, created a shortcut to it, 
deleted the "Sampler Instruments" dir in the logic folder, copied the 
shortcut to the logic folder and renamed it "Sampler Instruments".
In summary, I replaced the original "Sampler Instruments" dir in the 
logic folder with a shortcut to a dir on my d: drive.

Ive found that if you move or remove samples exs was expecting to 
find, it searches your HD to find them. This is normally fine (but 
can take a while) except if you've got several files with the name 
its looking for (ie, "snare.wav"). In this case it gives you the 
option of chooseing between the first 2 it finds (I think). I dont 
know what happens if thre are more than 2 matches found tho'...

 
> ~Pev

> grog

Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-02 by Dave Peverley

--- spudnikpotato@... wrote: 
Thanks for the reply!

> Ive found that if you move or remove samples exs was expecting to 
> find, it searches your HD to find them. This is normally fine (but 
> can take a while) except if you've got several files with the name 
> its looking for (ie, "snare.wav"). In this case it gives you the 
> option of chooseing between the first 2 it finds (I think). I dont 
> know what happens if thre are more than 2 matches found tho'...
Ace. This sounds exactly like what happens on the Mac in that case. IIRC when
I had three copies of an original AIFF it gave all 3 as choices. 

I got the impression that after moving files from their original locations,
logic starting up, and operation of the 'flip menu' for instruments became a
*lot* slower on my G3-400. Would you agree with that? Its just a gut feeling
really! I guess the .exs file only stores the orignal location of the file. I
suspect that if emagic could write a utility to update the .exs files entries
as to where the files live after being moved it would speed start up for me
immensely.

Ta!

~Pev

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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-02 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

I've never noticed a difference, and I've moved mine several times.
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> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:44:26 +0100 (BST)
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files
> 
> --- spudnikpotato@... wrote:
> Thanks for the reply!
> 
>> Ive found that if you move or remove samples exs was expecting to
>> find, it searches your HD to find them. This is normally fine (but
>> can take a while) except if you've got several files with the name
>> its looking for (ie, "snare.wav"). In this case it gives you the
>> option of chooseing between the first 2 it finds (I think). I dont
>> know what happens if thre are more than 2 matches found tho'...
> Ace. This sounds exactly like what happens on the Mac in that case. IIRC when
> I had three copies of an original AIFF it gave all 3 as choices.
> 
> I got the impression that after moving files from their original locations,
> logic starting up, and operation of the 'flip menu' for instruments became a
> *lot* slower on my G3-400. Would you agree with that? Its just a gut feeling
> really! I guess the .exs file only stores the orignal location of the file. I
> suspect that if emagic could write a utility to update the .exs files entries
> as to where the files live after being moved it would speed start up for me
> immensely.
> 
> Ta!
> 
> ~Pev
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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-02 by Dave Peverley

--- "HELP@..." <HELP@...> wrote: 
> I've never noticed a difference, and I've moved mine several times.
Ack. Must be another aspect of the system affecting it then. I think the only
other thing I've done was install Norton SystemWorks but that shouldnt have
that effect? I disabled on access virus scanning so that shouldnt be an
issue....

Cheers for the feedback tho...

~Pev


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Soundfonts

2001-10-02 by Neil Goldstein

Any recommendations of websites for high quality downloadable Soundfonts,
either free or inexpensive?

Thanks

Neil

Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-02 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

Never install norton system works on a Mac. Causes many problems. Always use
norton by booting from the CD (or install it on a small "emergency" boot
partition. Norton will slow down your core system and can cause instability.
It's too disruptive in my opinion.
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> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:36:55 +0100 (BST)
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files
> 
> --- "HELP@..." <HELP@...> wrote:
>> I've never noticed a difference, and I've moved mine several times.
> Ack. Must be another aspect of the system affecting it then. I think the only
> other thing I've done was install Norton SystemWorks but that shouldnt have
> that effect? I disabled on access virus scanning so that shouldnt be an
> issue....
> 
> Cheers for the feedback tho...
> 
> ~Pev
> 
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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-02 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

...but you will always need virus protection installed!

I did install Techtool on my system and it doesn't cause problems like
Nortons, although my settings are highly optimized. I like techtool better
over all.

Re: [exs] Soundfonts

2001-10-02 by Lee Jones

What is a sound font?
I have always wanted to know???
Lee

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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-02 by spudnikpotato@yahoo.co.uk

--- In exs-users@y..., Dave Peverley <no_such_user@y...> wrote:
>  --- spudnikpotato@y... wrote: 
> Thanks for the reply!

 
> I got the impression that after moving files from their original 
locations,
> logic starting up, and operation of the 'flip menu' for instruments 
became a
> *lot* slower on my G3-400. Would you agree with that? Its just a 
gut feeling
> really! I guess the .exs file only stores the orignal location of 
the file. I
> suspect that if emagic could write a utility to update the .exs 
files entries
> as to where the files live after being moved it would speed start 
up for me
> immensely.

actually, once its found the files its updated, so subsequent loads 
of that exs are almost imediate (just the time it takes to load the 
samples, dosen't have to look for them).

I thought that the mac had some sort of master table of files, so 
finding files was a lot quicker (it can take a long.. time on PC if 
youve got lots of files and a fragmented HD). I expect tho that it 
does apply some simple logic (no pun...) to where it searchs, ie, 
look in the same dir as the exs first, follow the dir structure of 
the sampler inst's dir etc. I (used to) have samples for the exs's 
scattered all over my computer, on differant discs, in totatly 
differant folders logically miles away from where they should be etc, 
and *thats* when it really takes a while (a couple of minutes)

have you tried defragging your hard disc? if youve not done this in a 
while, it will considerably speed things up, especially if the disc 
has ever got near full. be carefull tho, if your computer crashes 
while doing this (which it can, far more than is fair) you may lose 
all your data and have to format, so back up important data first.

> 
> Ta!
> 
> ~Pev


np

spud

Re: [exs] Soundfonts

2001-10-02 by Adrian Gill

ngold@... wrote:

> Any recommendations of websites for high quality downloadable 
> Soundfonts, either free or inexpensive?

Well, I've just seen this on Harmony Central:

" September 12, 2001 -- E-MU, a division of Creative Technology Ltd.,
announced the launch of SoundFont.com, a new, independent web site
focused on the SoundFont format of downloadable sound technology used
in the popular Sound Blaster Live! , AWE 32, AWE 64, Audigy, and E-MU
APS and E-card sound cards. The site features news and information on
SoundFont technology, as well as the opportunity to download SoundFont
banks over the web. The web site URL is: http://www.soundfont.com "

Just headed over there myself & you get three free banks just for
joining their mailing list.

Ade

Re: [exs] Soundfonts

2001-10-02 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

Speaking of Soundfonts, I was very disappointed to learn the Halion does not
import the filter/mod data from Soundfonts, only the samples and loops. What
a drag... I have to find a way to import complete sound fonts for use in
LAMP!!! I'm working with a producer who uses Cakewalk on a PC, but I have to
have the ability to grab the filter/mod data. Otherwise, other than drums,
the function is useless to me! If anyone knows of a tool out there, please
say so! Thank you... Jer

RE: [exs] Soundfonts

2001-10-02 by Neil Goldstein

Well with the help of someone on the Logic list, I 'discovered' that
dragging a Soundfont into the Sampler Instrument folder made the instrument
show up in the EXS instrument list, with automatic keymapping and conversion
to EXS format.

I don't know what the "original" soundfont sounds like, so I don't know what
I'm missing. But I'm amazed at how effortless this conversion process is.

Are you saying the filter and mod data doesn't show up? But keymaps, samples
and loops do.

Just wanting to clarify for other newbies, or perhaps you've overlooked the
obvious?




Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon
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> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Soundfonts
>
>
> Speaking of Soundfonts, I was very disappointed to learn the
> Halion does not
> import the filter/mod data from Soundfonts, only the samples and
> loops. What
> a drag... I have to find a way to import complete sound fonts for use in
> LAMP!!! I'm working with a producer who uses Cakewalk on a PC,
> but I have to
> have the ability to grab the filter/mod data. Otherwise, other than drums,
> the function is useless to me! If anyone knows of a tool out there, please
> say so! Thank you... Jer
>
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Re: [exs] Soundfonts

2001-10-02 by Colin Shapiro

Ade wrote:

>.....The site features news and information on
>SoundFont technology, as well as the opportunity to download SoundFont
>banks over the web. The web site URL is: http://www.soundfont.com "
>
>Just headed over there myself & you get three free banks just for
>joining their mailing list.

Thanks for that tip Ade - busy downloading right now.......

Regards - Colin

Re: [exs] Soundfonts

2001-10-02 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

Wow, very cool that I don't need Halion to use Soundfonts; however, sadly,
neither Halion or the EXS24 import the mod/wav data. Major bummer. My
original complaint stands. Indeed, I tested it thoroughly and since I know
how a particular Soundfont is supposed to sound, I know it's not translating
the mod data. In fact, you'll notice that the EXS' default settings do not
change at all. Bummer.
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> From: "Neil Goldstein" <ngold@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:35:04 -0700
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [exs] Soundfonts
> 
> Well with the help of someone on the Logic list, I 'discovered' that
> dragging a Soundfont into the Sampler Instrument folder made the instrument
> show up in the EXS instrument list, with automatic keymapping and conversion
> to EXS format.
> 
> I don't know what the "original" soundfont sounds like, so I don't know what
> I'm missing. But I'm amazed at how effortless this conversion process is.
> 
> Are you saying the filter and mod data doesn't show up? But keymaps, samples
> and loops do.
> 
> Just wanting to clarify for other newbies, or perhaps you've overlooked the
> obvious?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Neil Goldstein
> Portland, Oregon
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HELP@... [mailto:HELP@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:57 AM
>> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [exs] Soundfonts
>> 
>> 
>> Speaking of Soundfonts, I was very disappointed to learn the
>> Halion does not
>> import the filter/mod data from Soundfonts, only the samples and
>> loops. What
>> a drag... I have to find a way to import complete sound fonts for use in
>> LAMP!!! I'm working with a producer who uses Cakewalk on a PC,
>> but I have to
>> have the ability to grab the filter/mod data. Otherwise, other than drums,
>> the function is useless to me! If anyone knows of a tool out there, please
>> say so! Thank you... Jer
>> 
>> 
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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Dave Howard

Hi all,

God I feel stupid!
I'm so organised with my Logic files and associated audio, but I'm
struggling with the EXS.....just don't know where to put it all!

Thing is I've just moved from an Akai, where I'd have the samples and
programmes they belong to on a disk, then when I'd finished the track I'd
store the disk that belonged with it separately, or if on an Akai with a HD
store the programme and samples in their own directory. If I needed to
reload I'd just reload the appropriate disk. The samples could have been
drawn from all over, but the disk would have its own set of edited samples
and programmes.

Ok so my instinct is to do this:

Create a folder on my audio drive for the song as usual. (e.g. SONG)
Within this create an Audio folder as usual. (e.g. SONG AUDIO)
Also create a Samples folder. (e.g SONG SAMPLES)
In creating my Logic file and EXS instrument I might use audio files from
CD, elsewhere on my audio drive or wherever, but I'd want to put the
versions I'd used in the folder SONG SAMPLES, and I'd save my EXS
Instruments there too.
Finally, the Logic file would go in the SONG folder.

In this way archiving/backing up would simply be a matter of burning the
SONG folder to CD.

The original samples would remain intact, but if I removed them for any
reason I'd still be able to reload my song because the EXS instruments and
the associated samples were archived with the song!

So...........how do I do this!!!?
Am I being really stupid here?
It just seems that doing this will involve lots of copying and moving,
...lots of room for mistakes and time consuming.

Or maybe there's a better way of doing this!?

Any help and advice appreciated!

Dave


on 28/9/01 11:09 am, Dave Peverley at no_such_user@... wrote:

>> Just received the EXS. Want to structure my sample files (.wav and
>> now also .exs files)
>> 
>> Lot's of discussions here about the organisation and saving of
>> the .exs and .wav/.aiff files.

> (I'm at work not in the studio so my recollection of folder names may not be
> perfect but...)
> 
> I don't know about the Windows (argh!) way but the Mac way is thus :
> In the Logic Folder you have a Sampler Instruments folder and a samples
> folder.


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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Dave Howard

Ok - having stared at this til late last night I think I've got it! And it
revolves around the MOVE and COPY commands in the Instrument Edit File menu!

So, here's how I'm planning to do things - tell me if this is silly!....

1.  Keep my sample library in its own folder. This will include the default
EXS samples and Any Akai volumes I convert. I'll probably also create CD
versions of this library so I don't have to re convert if ever I need to
remove and replace them.

2.  When it comes to using instruments and samples in a song, I'll create a
folder for them in my song folder, and COPY the samples to this folder,
where the instrument will also be saved. This could be done once my samples
are all assembled, but HAS to be done before I do any destructive editing.

This means that the original samples remain intact in the library, and the
samples and instruments used in a song get stored with the song. Yippee!

Now hopefully when I reopen the song the EXS instruments I use will be ready
to go...I'll try it today.

If this works its so simple but I know I'm not alone in having puzzled about
it.

Dave



on 3/10/01 1:21 am, Dave Howard at david@... wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> God I feel stupid!
> I'm so organised with my Logic files and associated audio, but I'm struggling
> with the EXS.....just don't know where to put it all!
> 
> Thing is I've just moved from an Akai, where I'd have the samples and
> programmes they belong to on a disk, then when I'd finished the track I'd
> store the disk that belonged with it separately, or if on an Akai with a HD
> store the programme and samples in their own directory. If I needed to reload
> I'd just reload the appropriate disk. The samples could have been drawn from
> all over, but the disk would have its own set of edited samples and
> programmes.
> 
> Ok so my instinct is to do this:
> 
> Create a folder on my audio drive for the song as usual. (e.g. SONG)
> Within this create an Audio folder as usual. (e.g. SONG AUDIO)
> Also create a Samples folder. (e.g SONG SAMPLES)
> In creating my Logic file and EXS instrument I might use audio files from CD,
> elsewhere on my audio drive or wherever, but I'd want to put the versions I'd
> used in the folder SONG SAMPLES, and I'd save my EXS Instruments there too.
> Finally, the Logic file would go in the SONG folder.
> 
> In this way archiving/backing up would simply be a matter of burning the SONG
> folder to CD.
> 
> The original samples would remain intact, but if I removed them for any reason
> I'd still be able to reload my song because the EXS instruments and the
> associated samples were archived with the song!
> 
> So...........how do I do this!!!?
> Am I being really stupid here?
> It just seems that doing this will involve lots of copying and moving, ...lots
> of room for mistakes and time consuming.
> 
> Or maybe there's a better way of doing this!?
> 
> Any help and advice appreciated!
> 
> Dave
> 
> 

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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Colin Shapiro

Hi Dave,

That's certainly the way to go if you plan to do any editing on the 
samples or instruments, which would affect previous songs that 
utilised them.

The only obvious drawback is space - you'll have 2 (or more) copies 
of stuff but hey....
As they say, data doesn't exist unless it's in 2 or more places!

If your data isn't altered, you can try putting alaiases in your song 
folder, just for reference.

Regards - Colin
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>Ok - having stared at this til late last night I think I've got it! And it
>revolves around the MOVE and COPY commands in the Instrument Edit File menu!
>
>So, here's how I'm planning to do things - tell me if this is silly!....
>
>1.  Keep my sample library in its own folder. This will include the default
>EXS samples and Any Akai volumes I convert. I'll probably also create CD
>versions of this library so I don't have to re convert if ever I need to
>remove and replace them.
>
>2.  When it comes to using instruments and samples in a song, I'll create a
>folder for them in my song folder, and COPY the samples to this folder,
>where the instrument will also be saved. This could be done once my samples
>are all assembled, but HAS to be done before I do any destructive editing.
>
>This means that the original samples remain intact in the library, and the
>samples and instruments used in a song get stored with the song. Yippee!
>
>Now hopefully when I reopen the song the EXS instruments I use will be ready
>to go...I'll try it today.
>
>If this works its so simple but I know I'm not alone in having puzzled about
>it.

Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Dave Howard

on 3/10/01 12:15 pm, Colin Shapiro at musos@... wrote:

> The only obvious drawback is space - you'll have 2 (or more) copies
> of stuff but hey....
> As they say, data doesn't exist unless it's in 2 or more places!

Ah, except when my songs are finished I burn the song folder and remove it
from the disk.

Dave
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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Colin Shapiro

>  > As they say, data doesn't exist unless it's in 2 or more places!
>
>Ah, except when my songs are finished I burn the song folder and remove it
>from the disk.

Do you burn TWO disks? (see above)   :-)

regards - Colin

Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Dave Howard

on 3/10/01 12:29 pm, Colin Shapiro at musos@... wrote:

>>> As they say, data doesn't exist unless it's in 2 or more places!
>> 
>> Ah, except when my songs are finished I burn the song folder and remove it
>> from the disk.
> 
> Do you burn TWO disks? (see above)   :-)

LOL
No but I should I guess!

Dave

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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Dave Peverley

--- Dave Howard <david@...> wrote: 
> > > Ah, except when my songs are finished I burn the song folder and 
> > > remove it from the disk.
> > Do you burn TWO disks? (see above)   :-)
> LOL
> No but I should I guess!
I'd definately agree with you there. I'd also add a couple of further points
; 

- Cheap CDR's are RUBBISH. The data film can be damaged easily, can peel in 
  anything other than perfect storage conditions, you cant write directly
  to the disk (handwriting that is) and just generally stink!
- Even good quality branded CDR's need care taken over them. Find a brand
  with good reputation and STATED cd life & storage environment 
  variables in the booklet. Stick to them for anything that needs to be
  permenant.
- For extra paranoia, there are excellent clear plastic sticky labels that
  you can stick on top of a cd. These protect the data film on the top
  layer that is normally exposed to accidents and also lets you write on 
  the cd's without the chance that the ink from your pen  can adversely 
  affect the data (real problem! As is the glue in some sticky printable
  labels for CDs.)
- And again, if its important, always make multiple copies!

Personally, I like using a spare harddrive as an additional mid-term backup
device - ATA drives are so cheap you can get 40Gb of backup for little cost.
If you put it in a removable or external bay and only connect when needed,
you save on usage lifetime for maximum paranoia. In some ways I think hard
drives are a more reliable medium than CDR....

Just a thought....

~Pev

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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by mbhelmich@cistron.nl

--- In exs-users@y..., spudnikpotato@y... wrote:
> *snip*
> >I've been slowly putting together a Logic/EXS FAQ
> > and would like to include a definitive solution to this problem 
but 
> dont run
> > EXS on a Windows platform myself.....
> 
> I use exs on windows.
> I keep all my samples etc on my D: drive (D:\audio\Sampler 
> Instruments). I simply made this dir, created a shortcut to it, 
> deleted the "Sampler Instruments" dir in the logic folder, copied 
the 
> shortcut to the logic folder and renamed it "Sampler Instruments".
> In summary, I replaced the original "Sampler Instruments" dir in 
the 
> logic folder with a shortcut to a dir on my d: drive.

This doesn't work when I'm doing it like you describe. I have to make 
a shortcut to an .exs file (?) My file management now looking like 
this:

c:\program files\emagic\logic audio 4.5\sampler instruments\b3.exs ( 
the b3.exs is a shortcut to f:\samples\b3.exs)
f:\samples\
f:\samples\b3.exs
f:\samples\drums\
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\stereodrums.exs
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\stereodrums\kick.wav
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\stereodrums\snare.wav
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\stereodrums\and the other 
samples used in the stereodrums instrument
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\EXS 808.exs
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\EXS 808\kick.wav
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\EXS 808\snare.wav
f:\samples\drums\Emagic factory sounds\EXS 808\and the other samples 
used in the EXS 808 instrument
f:\samples\drums\XXL sample CD vol 1\
f:\samples\drums\XXL\TR909.exs
f:\samples\drums\XXL\TR909\kick.wav
f:\samples\drums\XXL\TR909\snare.wav
f:\samples\drums\XXL\TR909\and the other samples used in the TR909 
instrument
f:\samples\strings\
f:\samples\strings\Emagic factory sounds\
f:\samples\strings\Emagic factory sounds\steelstring.exs
f:\samples\strings\Emagic factory sounds\steelstring\1.wav
f:\samples\strings\Emagic factory sounds\steelstring\1.wav
f:\samples\strings\Emagic factory sounds\steelstring\and the other 
samples used in the steelstring instrument

My flip menu in the EXS is looking like this and that's fine with me:

Samples > Drums   > Emagic factory Sounds > Stereo drums
                                          > EXS 808
                    XXL sample CD vol. 1  > TR909
          Strings > Emagic factory Sounds > Steelstring

- a shortcut in the sampler instruments to a folder doesn't work here;
- when I delete the b3.exs (not the shortcut) it still works (?)
- why can't I use shortcut to folder f:\samples\ or f:\samples\drums\?

Maarten

Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Dave Howard

on 3/10/01 1:32 pm, Dave Peverley at no_such_user@... wrote:

> Personally, I like using a spare harddrive as an additional mid-term backup
> device - ATA drives are so cheap you can get 40Gb of backup for little cost.
> If you put it in a removable or external bay and only connect when needed,
> you save on usage lifetime for maximum paranoia. In some ways I think hard
> drives are a more reliable medium than CDR....

> Just a thought....

I'm about to get an external Firewire HD for backing up my system disk, but
for archiving work CDs would be good if they were trustworthy!

Ok, so anyone got any recommendations as to reliable CD-Rs?

Dave

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CDRs (Was Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files)

2001-10-03 by Dave Peverley

--- Dave Howard <david@...> wrote: 
> Ok, so anyone got any recommendations as to reliable CD-Rs?
Well its a ba****d  complicated topic so seek and ye shall find the answer!
Check out http://www.cdrfaq.org for pretty much the best place to start.

~Pev


Shamelessly lifting two choice entries lazy or firewalled (apologies for
pants formatting) :
Show quoted textHide quoted text
Subject: [7-4] Which kind of media should I use?
(2000/11/03)

There is no "best" media for all recorders.  You can't tell how well a disc
will work just by looking at it; the only way to know is to put it in
*your* recorder, write a disc, then put it in *your* reader and try it.
Statements to the effect that "dark green" is better than "light green" are
absurd.  Some discs are more translucent than others, but that doesn't
matter: they only have to reflect light in the 780nm wavelength, not the
entire visible spectrum.  See (7-19).
It may be a good idea to start by selecting media that is certified for
your recorder's desired write speed.  This is particularly important for
CD-RW discs, which won't be written faster than the disc is rated for,
regardless of the top speed of the drive.  Using 8x-certified CD-R media
when recording at 8x isn't a bad idea, but doesn't seem to be essential.
See section  (3-31) for some other remarks about recording speed.
The Orange Book standard was written based on the original "green" cyanine
discs from Taiyo Yuden.  Cyanine dye is more forgiving of marginal read/write
power variations than "gold" phthalocyanine dye, making them easier to read
on some drives.  On the other hand, phthalocyanine is less sensitive
to sunlight and UV radiation, suggesting that they would last longer under
adverse conditions.
Manufacturers of phthalocyanine-based media claim it has a longer lifespan
and will work better in higher speed recording than cyanine discs.  Mitsui's
gold/gold discs are recommended by some vendors, and in some informal and
unscientific tests were more compatible with car CD players than Kodak
gold or TDK green discs.  The response to Mitsui's "platinum" media has
also been favorable.  Different test labs will tell you different things.
See http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/History/Commentary/Parker/stcroix.html for
some notes on low-level differences between media types.
There is no advantage to using expensive "audio CD-Rs".  There is no
difference in quality between consumer audio blanks and standard blanks
from a given manufacturer.  If you have a consumer audio CD recorder, you
simply have no other choice.  There is no way to "convert" a standard
blank into a consumer audio blank.  See section  (5-12) for notes on how
you can trick certain recorders into accepting standard blanks.
Trying samples of blanks is strongly recommended before you make a major
purchase.  Remember to try them in your reader as well as your writer; they
may not be so useful if you can't read them in your normal CD-ROM drive.
Maxell's CD-R media earned a miserable reputation on Usenet.  In April
'97 Maxell announced reformulated media that seemed to work better than
the previous ones.  It appears they may no longer make their own media.
Some good technical information is available from http://www.mscience.com/.
In particular, "Are green CD-R discs better than gold or blue ones?" at
http://www.mscience.com/faq52.html.
BLER measurements for a variety of recorders and media is in a big table
on http://www.digido.com/meadows.html.
See also "Is There a CD-R Media Problem?" by Katherine Cochrane, originally
published in the Feb '96 issue of CD-ROM Professional.



Subject: [7-5] How long do CD-Rs and CD-RWs last?
(2000/10/17)

There doesn't seem to be a clear answer for CD-RW.  The rest of this
section applies to CD-R.
The manufacturers claim 75 years (cyanine dye, used in "green" discs), 100
years (phthalocyanine dye, used in "gold" discs), or even 200 years
("advanced" phthalocyanine dye, used in "platinum" discs) once the disc has
been written. The shelf life of an unrecorded disc has been estimated at
between 5 and 10 years.  There is no standard agreed-upon way to test discs
for lifetime viability.  Accelerated aging tests have been done, but they
may not provide a meaningful analogue to real-world aging.
Exposing the disc to excessive heat, humidity, or to direct sunlight will
greatly reduce the lifetime.  In general, CD-Rs are far less tolerant of
environmental conditions than pressed CDs, and should be treated with
greater care.  The easiest way to make a CD-R unusable is to scratch the
top surface.  Find a CD-R you don't want anymore, and try to scratch the
top (label side) with your fingernail, a ballpoint pen, a paper clip, and
anything else you have handy.  The results may surprise you.
Keep them in a cool, dark, dry place, and they will probably live longer
than you do (emphasis on "probably").  Some newsgroup reports have
complained of discs becoming unreadable in as little as three years, but
without knowing how the discs were handled and stored such anecdotes are
useless.  Try to keep a little perspective on the situation: a disc that
degrades very little over 100 years is useless if it can't be read in your
CD-ROM drive today.
One user reported that very inexpensive CD-Rs deteriorated in a mere six
weeks, despite careful storage.  Some discs are better than others.
By some estimates, pressed CD-ROMs may only last for 10 to 25 years,
because the aluminum reflective layer starts to corrode after a while.
One user was told by Blaupunkt that CD-R discs shouldn't be left in car CD
players, because if it gets too hot in the car the CD-R will emit a gas that
can blind the laser optics.  However, CD-Rs are constructed much the same
way and with mostly the same materials as pressed CDs, and the temperatures
required to cause such an emission from the materials that are exposed would
melt much of the car's interior.  The dye layer is sealed into the disc,
and should not present any danger to drive optics even if overheated.
Even so, leaving a CD-R in a hot car isn't good for the disc, and will
probably shorten its effective life.
See also http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/Media/Longevity.html,
especially http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Industry/news/media-chronology.html
about some inaccurate reporting in the news media.
See "Do gold CD-R discs have better longevity than green discs?" on
http://www.mscience.com/faq53.html.
http://www.cdpage.com/dstuff/BobDana296.html has a very readable
description of CD-R media error testing that leaves you with a numb sense
of amazement that CD-Rs work at all.  It also explains the errors that come
out of MSCDEX and what the dreaded E32 error means to a CD stamper.  Highly
recommended.

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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Dave Peverley

--- Dave Howard <david@...> wrote: 
> Ok, so anyone got any recommendations as to reliable CD-Rs?
Well its a ba****d  complicated topic so seek and ye shall find the answer!
Check out http://www.cdrfaq.org for pretty much the best place to start.

~Pev


Shamelessly lifting two choice entries lazy or firewalled (apologies for
pants formatting) :
Show quoted textHide quoted text
Subject: [7-4] Which kind of media should I use?
(2000/11/03)

There is no "best" media for all recorders.  You can't tell how well a disc
will work just by looking at it; the only way to know is to put it in
*your* recorder, write a disc, then put it in *your* reader and try it.
Statements to the effect that "dark green" is better than "light green" are
absurd.  Some discs are more translucent than others, but that doesn't
matter: they only have to reflect light in the 780nm wavelength, not the
entire visible spectrum.  See (7-19).
It may be a good idea to start by selecting media that is certified for
your recorder's desired write speed.  This is particularly important for
CD-RW discs, which won't be written faster than the disc is rated for,
regardless of the top speed of the drive.  Using 8x-certified CD-R media
when recording at 8x isn't a bad idea, but doesn't seem to be essential.
See section  (3-31) for some other remarks about recording speed.
The Orange Book standard was written based on the original "green" cyanine
discs from Taiyo Yuden.  Cyanine dye is more forgiving of marginal read/write
power variations than "gold" phthalocyanine dye, making them easier to read
on some drives.  On the other hand, phthalocyanine is less sensitive
to sunlight and UV radiation, suggesting that they would last longer under
adverse conditions.
Manufacturers of phthalocyanine-based media claim it has a longer lifespan
and will work better in higher speed recording than cyanine discs.  Mitsui's
gold/gold discs are recommended by some vendors, and in some informal and
unscientific tests were more compatible with car CD players than Kodak
gold or TDK green discs.  The response to Mitsui's "platinum" media has
also been favorable.  Different test labs will tell you different things.
See http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/History/Commentary/Parker/stcroix.html for
some notes on low-level differences between media types.
There is no advantage to using expensive "audio CD-Rs".  There is no
difference in quality between consumer audio blanks and standard blanks
from a given manufacturer.  If you have a consumer audio CD recorder, you
simply have no other choice.  There is no way to "convert" a standard
blank into a consumer audio blank.  See section  (5-12) for notes on how
you can trick certain recorders into accepting standard blanks.
Trying samples of blanks is strongly recommended before you make a major
purchase.  Remember to try them in your reader as well as your writer; they
may not be so useful if you can't read them in your normal CD-ROM drive.
Maxell's CD-R media earned a miserable reputation on Usenet.  In April
'97 Maxell announced reformulated media that seemed to work better than
the previous ones.  It appears they may no longer make their own media.
Some good technical information is available from http://www.mscience.com/.
In particular, "Are green CD-R discs better than gold or blue ones?" at
http://www.mscience.com/faq52.html.
BLER measurements for a variety of recorders and media is in a big table
on http://www.digido.com/meadows.html.
See also "Is There a CD-R Media Problem?" by Katherine Cochrane, originally
published in the Feb '96 issue of CD-ROM Professional.



Subject: [7-5] How long do CD-Rs and CD-RWs last?
(2000/10/17)

There doesn't seem to be a clear answer for CD-RW.  The rest of this
section applies to CD-R.
The manufacturers claim 75 years (cyanine dye, used in "green" discs), 100
years (phthalocyanine dye, used in "gold" discs), or even 200 years
("advanced" phthalocyanine dye, used in "platinum" discs) once the disc has
been written. The shelf life of an unrecorded disc has been estimated at
between 5 and 10 years.  There is no standard agreed-upon way to test discs
for lifetime viability.  Accelerated aging tests have been done, but they
may not provide a meaningful analogue to real-world aging.
Exposing the disc to excessive heat, humidity, or to direct sunlight will
greatly reduce the lifetime.  In general, CD-Rs are far less tolerant of
environmental conditions than pressed CDs, and should be treated with
greater care.  The easiest way to make a CD-R unusable is to scratch the
top surface.  Find a CD-R you don't want anymore, and try to scratch the
top (label side) with your fingernail, a ballpoint pen, a paper clip, and
anything else you have handy.  The results may surprise you.
Keep them in a cool, dark, dry place, and they will probably live longer
than you do (emphasis on "probably").  Some newsgroup reports have
complained of discs becoming unreadable in as little as three years, but
without knowing how the discs were handled and stored such anecdotes are
useless.  Try to keep a little perspective on the situation: a disc that
degrades very little over 100 years is useless if it can't be read in your
CD-ROM drive today.
One user reported that very inexpensive CD-Rs deteriorated in a mere six
weeks, despite careful storage.  Some discs are better than others.
By some estimates, pressed CD-ROMs may only last for 10 to 25 years,
because the aluminum reflective layer starts to corrode after a while.
One user was told by Blaupunkt that CD-R discs shouldn't be left in car CD
players, because if it gets too hot in the car the CD-R will emit a gas that
can blind the laser optics.  However, CD-Rs are constructed much the same
way and with mostly the same materials as pressed CDs, and the temperatures
required to cause such an emission from the materials that are exposed would
melt much of the car's interior.  The dye layer is sealed into the disc,
and should not present any danger to drive optics even if overheated.
Even so, leaving a CD-R in a hot car isn't good for the disc, and will
probably shorten its effective life.
See also http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/Media/Longevity.html,
especially http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Industry/news/media-chronology.html
about some inaccurate reporting in the news media.
See "Do gold CD-R discs have better longevity than green discs?" on
http://www.mscience.com/faq53.html.
http://www.cdpage.com/dstuff/BobDana296.html has a very readable
description of CD-R media error testing that leaves you with a numb sense
of amazement that CD-Rs work at all.  It also explains the errors that come
out of MSCDEX and what the dreaded E32 error means to a CD stamper.  Highly
recommended.

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Re: EXS organisation of files

2001-10-03 by Greg Eales

> Thing is I've just moved from an Akai, where I'd have the samples and
> programmes they belong to on a disk, then when I'd finished the track I'd
> store the disk that belonged with it separately, or if on an Akai with a
HD
> store the programme and samples in their own directory. If I needed to
> reload I'd just reload the appropriate disk. The samples could have been
> drawn from all over, but the disk would have its own set of edited samples
> and programmes.
>
> Ok so my instinct is to do this:
>
> Create a folder on my audio drive for the song as usual. (e.g. SONG)
> Within this create an Audio folder as usual. (e.g. SONG AUDIO)
> Also create a Samples folder. (e.g SONG SAMPLES)
> In creating my Logic file and EXS instrument I might use audio files from
> CD, elsewhere on my audio drive or wherever, but I'd want to put the
> versions I'd used in the folder SONG SAMPLES, and I'd save my EXS
> Instruments there too.
> Finally, the Logic file would go in the SONG folder.
>
> In this way archiving/backing up would simply be a matter of burning the
> SONG folder to CD.
>
> The original samples would remain intact, but if I removed them for any
> reason I'd still be able to reload my song because the EXS instruments and
> the associated samples were archived with the song!
>
> So...........how do I do this!!!?

Firstly the samples

there is a menu item in the exs editor "instrument->copy audiofiles" use
this, of course, to duplicate all the wav/aif file from an exs instrument.
There is also a menu item next to it "instrument->move audiofiles". this
moves the files,rather than copying them. You might also be interested in
the menu item just under them "instrument->akai convert" which will let you
load up akai instrument from akai CDs. Experimenting with these is the best
way to learn them (imho)

*sigh*
Secondly, he exs24 instrument definitions

Right, we're back to these crazy alias and shortcuts.
While you can have the samples anywhere on your computer with no problems,
if you want the exs to find the instrument definitions (to come up on the
load menu) they have to be in the "sampler instrument" hierarchy. What I
suggest is this: make a shortcut to the parent directory of your song
hierarchy and put it in the "sampler instrument" directory. For example, I
have a directory called "Logic songs current" in which I have several
directories, one per song im working on . If I make a shortcut to "Logic
songs current" and stick it in the "sampler instruments" directory, I can
save my exs instrument definitions to the song directory and they will
appear in the exs file list as "logic songs current->*song
name*->*instrument name*"

grog/spudnik




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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files - CD trivia

2001-10-03 by Paul Najar

Dave Peverley on 3/10/01 10:32 PM, Dave Peverley at no_such_user@...
wrote:

> - Cheap CDR's are RUBBISH.

Agreed. But have you ever put one in a microwave for about 3 seconds. It
turns it into a pretty little coaster with a nice pattern on it, and before
that happens you get a little fireworks display.

Be warned. If you want to try this have your finger ready on the stop
button.


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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files - CD trivia

2001-10-03 by Dave Peverley

----- Original Message -----
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: "Paul Najar" <pnajar@...>
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>


> Dave Peverley
> > - Cheap CDR's are RUBBISH.
> Agreed. But have you ever put one in a microwave for about 3 seconds. It
> turns it into a pretty little coaster with a nice pattern on it, and
before
> that happens you get a little fireworks display.
Mmmm. Never tried that, but must put on my list of things to do while
drunk^Wfeeling playful, just after making a gherkin flouro light.

Mind you, when I was 10 (ah bless!) and we first had a microwave I remember
making a model airfix car kit with a motor in it and putting it to dry in
the microwave after painting. Whoops. Real back to the future kind of
effect!

~Pev


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Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files - CD trivia

2001-10-04 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

:-) U R cool! ...but alas, I'll have to pass up your little experiment.
Probably releases something toxic in my little microwave.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Agreed. But have you ever put one in a microwave for about 3 seconds. It
> turns it into a pretty little coaster with a nice pattern on it, and before
> that happens you get a little fireworks display.
> 
> Be warned. If you want to try this have your finger ready on the stop
> button.
> 
> 
> -- 
> /\/\/\/\/\-/\/\/\-/\/\/\/\/\
> Paul Najar

OT was Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files - CD trivia

2001-10-04 by ythan@btinternet.com

--- In exs-users@y..., "HELP@M..." <HELP@M...> wrote:
> :-) U R cool! ...but alas, I'll have to pass up your little 
experiment.
> Probably releases something toxic in my little microwave.
-----
although microwaved food looks and tastes much like it should, 
the body has a very hard time processing it compared with 
naturally prepared food. several of my more nutritionally aware 
friends use their microwave ovens as very expensive breadbins 
now :-)

andy

Re: OT was Re: [exs] EXS organisation of files - CD trivia

2001-10-04 by HELP@MusicProTools.com

Hmmmm... food for thought I guess (pun intended).
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>> :-) U R cool! ...but alas, I'll have to pass up your little
> experiment.
>> Probably releases something toxic in my little microwave.
> -----
> although microwaved food looks and tastes much like it should,
> the body has a very hard time processing it compared with
> naturally prepared food. several of my more nutritionally aware
> friends use their microwave ovens as very expensive breadbins
> now :-)

New download

2001-10-05 by Colin Shapiro

Hi gang,

Seems there's a great spirit of sharing of info all around lately.
So - thought I'd remind you all to head to Spectrasonics for their 
monthly free download:
http://www.spectrasonics.net/tunein/index.html

Enjoy and keep the info moving!
Regards - Colin

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.