EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

if i use recycle to seperate up my hi hats,snare & kick etc, can i in 
ESX24  position them across the keyboard (assigning the hats 
between c-3 & c-2, the snare between c-1 and c0 and so on)? 
When i had a demo recently , it seemed you could not define an 
individual short zone , it had to be from the "zone range" right to 
the end of the keyboard. How would i define a zone of say, c1 to 
c2?If Exs24 does not allow me to do this, why should i get rid of 
my hardware sampler?
Cheers Ade

In EXs-24 you can define zone lengths of just one note - C2-C2 for example
and position any sample anywhere - its in zone range  - also note that you
can assign several snares for example to one zone range and assign these to
a group so that each snare triggers at a different velocity level simulating
the change of timbre as a snare gets louder or softer! - if you stillhave
probs with this I can put a screen grab in an email highlighting these
parameters - 
 
Joe Moretti

-----Original Message-----
From: petrocksuk [mailto:adriansmith79@...]
Sent: 11 April 2002 23:32
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [exs] Putting sounds in zones


if i use recycle to seperate up my hi hats,snare & kick etc, can i in 
ESX24  position them across the keyboard (assigning the hats 
between c-3 & c-2, the snare between c-1 and c0 and so on)? 
When i had a demo recently , it seemed you could not define an 
individual short zone , it had to be from the "zone range" right to 
the end of the keyboard. How would i define a zone of say, c1 to 
c2?If Exs24 does not allow me to do this, why should i get rid of 
my hardware sampler?
Cheers Ade



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Zone ranges are every bit the same as their hardware counterparts. I don't
quite understand why it was difficult for you to set the zone. It's in the
zone parameter box and you simply set the range. I won't go on since I'm
probably missing something you are trying to convey, but I'm fairly certain
the EXS24 does what you ask. -Jer

> From: "petrocksuk" <adriansmith79@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:31:50 -0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] Putting sounds in zones
> 
> if i use recycle to seperate up my hi hats,snare & kick etc, can i in
> ESX24  position them across the keyboard (assigning the hats
> between c-3 & c-2, the snare between c-1 and c0 and so on)?
> When i had a demo recently , it seemed you could not define an
> individual short zone , it had to be from the "zone range" right to
> the end of the keyboard. How would i define a zone of say, c1 to
> c2?If Exs24 does not allow me to do this, why should i get rid of
> my hardware sampler?
> Cheers Ade
> 
> 
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Thoughts from the mind of Joe Moretti, 12-04-2002:

>In EXs-24 you can define zone lengths of just one note - C2-C2 for example
>and position any sample anywhere - its in zone range  - also note that you
>can assign several snares for example to one zone range and assign these to
>a group so that each snare triggers at a different velocity level simulating
>the change of timbre as a snare gets louder or softer! - if you stillhave
>probs with this I can put a screen grab in an email highlighting these
>parameters -

Now that you mention it...  Maybe I should just wait till the EXS 
arrives (demo expired last week), but I wondered what the use of the 
'groups' is.  As far as I could see they're just a convenient way to 
assign the same velocity range to a group of samples (zones) all at 
once, instead of having to go into each zone's definition and setting 
vel-ranges one by one.  Is that a correct interpretation?  Or do the 
groups offer a "real" functionality that's not offered by the zones? 
I.e. are there cases where you _have_ to use groups, instead of them 
being just "more convenient"?

On the same subject: am I also right in assuming that two zones 
assigned to the same key (with both a full vel-range) will cause two 
samples to be played simultaneously when playing the corresponding 
key?

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> wrote:

>Now that you mention it...  Maybe I should just wait till the EXS 
>arrives (demo expired last week), but I wondered what the use of the 
>'groups' is.  As far as I could see they're just a convenient way to 
>assign the same velocity range to a group of samples (zones) all at 
>once, instead of having to go into each zone's definition and setting 
>vel-ranges one by one.  

Yes - same with panning for velocity switched drums -- pan all hats
together for example

Is that a correct interpretation?  Or do the 
>groups offer a "real" functionality that's not offered by the zones? 
>I.e. are there cases where you _have_ to use groups, instead of them 
>being just "more convenient"?

The obvious example is the usual hi-hat group -- set the number of voices
for this group to 1 and the "one shot " samples will be cut off when the
next hat strike occurs. Otherwise if you have 12 different hat samples 
(3 sounds X4 velocities) you can get a lot of samples ringing on in a busy
pattern => messy sound and heaps of CPU.

>On the same subject: am I also right in assuming that two zones 
>assigned to the same key (with both a full vel-range) will cause two 
>samples to be played simultaneously when playing the corresponding 
>key?

Yes and it is useful if for example  you wish to build layered patches  --
just copy everything from one instrument and paste it into another.

Regards,
Murray

At 09:17 AM 4/13/02 +0200, you wrote:

>Now that you mention it...  Maybe I should just wait till the EXS
>arrives (demo expired last week), but I wondered what the use of the
>'groups' is.  As far as I could see they're just a convenient way to
>assign the same velocity range to a group of samples (zones) all at
>once, instead of having to go into each zone's definition and setting
>vel-ranges one by one.  Is that a correct interpretation?  Or do the
>groups offer a "real" functionality that's not offered by the zones?
>I.e. are there cases where you _have_ to use groups, instead of them
>being just "more convenient"?

It's the hack way of getting the amplitude envelope, filter cutoff and rez 
settings down to the Zone level (where they should be). There's many 
instances where each zone needs different settings.

Also remember that the group settings are adjustments to the global 
parameters - they aren't absolute.

>On the same subject: am I also right in assuming that two zones
>assigned to the same key (with both a full vel-range) will cause two
>samples to be played simultaneously when playing the corresponding
>key?

Right - they are all overlapping.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

>Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@...> wrote:
>>Now that you mention it...  Maybe I should just wait till the EXS
>>arrives (demo expired last week), but I wondered what the use of the
>>'groups' is.  As far as I could see they're just a convenient way to
>>assign the same velocity range to a group of samples (zones) all at
>>once, instead of having to go into each zone's definition and setting
>  >vel-ranges one by one. 
[SNIP replies]

Thanks Murray and Garth -- exactly the answers I was looking for.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html