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Re: [exs]OS X - don't worry

Re: [exs]OS X - don't worry

2002-06-07 by Martin, Jeremy

> > . We are really hoping that Emagic does support OSX VST because no one 
> >> supports Apple Audio Units yet. Emagic has said publicly on the Logic
Users 
> >> forum that they are seriously thinking about dropping VST support in
OSX, 
> >> which we feel is a huge mistake.
> > 
> > and with any luck the volume of beligerent responses to their
> > possible plans to that effect will cause them to ditch said plans.
> > 
> > andy
> 
> What a joke that would be. They are out of their minds for even alluding
to
> it. -Jer


If I recall correctly Markus said it was incredibly easy to use a wrapper
around a VST plug to make it into an AudioUnit... So I wouldn't be too
worried about this. Yep, here's the original post: 

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From:  Markus Fritze <mfritze@mail.emagic.de> 
Date:  Thu May 9, 2002  8:58 am
Subject:  Re: [LUG] [LAM] Mac OS X and VST

> I don´t agree on that part. VST is propieretary, sure but there will
> be VST for Win and MacOS 9 and AudioUnit for MacOS X, meaning that the
> Manufacturer will have to keep up two codebases, or ditch one.

They don't have to! It is easy (I dare to use the word "trivial", but it
comes in my mind) to wrap VST into an AudioUnit, because the AudioUnit is
sort of superset to VST (you can do more with less work). So: have a wrapper
source, add it to you project, recompile and you are a clean Mac OS X
citizen!


MMM
-- 
Markus Fritze
Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>
Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS 
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also of interest from the same thread:

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> Markus, what about tdm/AS support, will it still be the same? Digidesign
> haven't given any info about this for ages!

That is correct :-(

TDM, DAE, DirectIO, ProTools (hardware and software) etc. won't run under
Mac OS X at all until DigiDesign releases new drivers and software updates.
There is nothing _we_ can do to make this happen.

MMM
-- 
Markus Fritze
Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>
Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS 
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Re: [exs]OS X - don't worry

2002-06-07 by Malcolm Payne

On 6/7/02 12:00 PM, "Martin, Jeremy" <sadus@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> If I recall correctly Markus said it was incredibly easy to use a wrapper
> around a VST plug to make it into an AudioUnit... So I wouldn't be too
> worried about this. Yep, here's the original post:
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> From:  Markus Fritze <mfritze@...>
> Date:  Thu May 9, 2002  8:58 am
> Subject:  Re: [LUG] [LAM] Mac OS X and VST
> 
>> I don´t agree on that part. VST is propieretary, sure but there will
>> be VST for Win and MacOS 9 and AudioUnit for MacOS X, meaning that the
>> Manufacturer will have to keep up two codebases, or ditch one.
> 
> They don't have to! It is easy (I dare to use the word "trivial", but it
> comes in my mind) to wrap VST into an AudioUnit, because the AudioUnit is
> sort of superset to VST (you can do more with less work). So: have a wrapper
> source, add it to you project, recompile and you are a clean Mac OS X
> citizen!
> 
> 
> MMM
> 

you should take in the other side of the argument, best expressed in my
opinion, by Marx Poirier:

> 
> Well, if it makes any difference, I think it would not be too good if
> Logic for OS X did not support VST, at least initially.  Do you really
> think that we will see many AudioUnits any time soon?  Almost no plugin
> makers have even bothered to carbonize their plugins yet, let alone make
> AudioUnits.  (Did you know that about 90% of the carbon plugs currently
> available are either by me or were ported by me?  Pretty dismal.)
> 
> And maybe I'm just not looking in the right places, but I've had a very
> difficult time finding solid information about AudioUnits.  I'm very
> interested & have tried to explore them a bit, but the SDK is woefully
> inadequate (no actual text documents, just some headers & sources for a
> simple reverb example) & info on Apple's developer pages seems to just be
> very general.  So I don't see how anyone can create anything even slightly
> complex at this point...  Or am I just missing some key documentation
> that's out there?
> 
>> Marc Poirier

Bottom line: Markus said that nothing had yet been decided...

Malcolm


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NYC
http://www.malcolmpayne.com

Re: [exs]OS X - don't worry

2002-06-08 by PersingEP@aol.com

We'll see....

The biggest drag is having to add yet another platform to list. Third party 
developers have no choice but to support OXS VST, because Cubase SX will 
definitely have it and it runs ONLY on OSX.

So in the name of making these simpler and easier, they actually got more 
complex, confusing and difficult for developers and users alike. What is the 
real benefit to all of this anyway?

Wrappers are a solution that many users don't like. We hope the development 
of the Audio Units will be as easy as Markus claims, but even if it is, it is 
yet another platform to deal with when we are already committed to keeping 
track of RTAS, VST Mac/PC, MAS and DXi.......alphabet soup!

-EP

In a message dated 6/7/02 9:01:43 AM, sadus@...m writes:

>> > . We are really hoping that Emagic does support OSX VST because no
>one 
>
>> >> supports Apple Audio Units yet. Emagic has said publicly on the Logic
>
>Users 
>
>> >> forum that they are seriously thinking about dropping VST support
>in
>
>OSX, 
>
>> >> which we feel is a huge mistake.
>
>> > 
>
>> > and with any luck the volume of beligerent responses to their
>
>> > possible plans to that effect will cause them to ditch said plans.
>
>> > 
>
>> > andy
>
>> 
>
>> What a joke that would be. They are out of their minds for even alluding
>
>to
>
>> it. -Jer
>
>
>
>
>
>If I recall correctly Markus said it was incredibly easy to use a wrapper
>
>around a VST plug to make it into an AudioUnit... So I wouldn't be too
>
>worried about this. Yep, here's the original post: 
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>From:  Markus Fritze <mfritze@...> 
>
>Date:  Thu May 9, 2002  8:58 am
>
>Subject:  Re: [LUG] [LAM] Mac OS X and VST
>
>
>
>> I don´t agree on that part. VST is propieretary, sure but there will
>
>> be VST for Win and MacOS 9 and AudioUnit for MacOS X, meaning that the
>
>> Manufacturer will have to keep up two codebases, or ditch one.
>
>
>
>They don't have to! It is easy (I dare to use the word "trivial", but it
>
>comes in my mind) to wrap VST into an AudioUnit, because the AudioUnit
>is
>
>sort of superset to VST (you can do more with less work). So: have a wrapper
>
>source, add it to you project, recompile and you are a clean Mac OS X
>
>citizen!
>
>
>
>
>
>MMM
>
>-- 
>
>Markus Fritze
>
>Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>
>
>Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS 
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>also of interest from the same thread:
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> Markus, what about tdm/AS support, will it still be the same? Digidesign
>
>> haven't given any info about this for ages!
>
>
>
>That is correct :-(
>
>
>
>TDM, DAE, DirectIO, ProTools (hardware and software) etc. won't run under
>
>Mac OS X at all until DigiDesign releases new drivers and software updates.
>
>There is nothing _we_ can do to make this happen.
>
>
>
>MMM
>
>-- 
>
>Markus Fritze
>
>Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>
>
>Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS 
>
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Re: [exs]OS X - don't worry

2002-06-08 by No Such User

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> Wrappers are a solution that many users don't like. We hope the
development
> of the Audio Units will be as easy as Markus claims,
You can already download the AudioUnit SDK from the ADC website if you're
interested. Got it a couple of days ago...

~Pev



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