EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

That's easy. Unity sucks (mind-bending latency), EXS rules. My Unity
software is rotting as we speak.

> From: Mike E Newman <newnew777@...>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:24:52 -0800
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> Subject: [exs] EXS24 vs Unity
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> Anyone use both these programs? What are the pro/cons of these samplers?
> 
> Thanks 
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Anyone use both these programs? What are the pro/cons of these samplers?

Thanks

Anyone use both these programs? What are the pro/cons of these samplers?

Thanks

Ok, let me elaborate. To use Unity with VST effects you must use ReWire, a
technology which leaves much to be desired. To give you an example, before I
started using the EXS, I tried the Unity on a few tracks. I kid you not when
I say I had a latency of a 16th note (ouch, it hurts to remember). Not only
that, but the timing was unpredictable and notes did not release at their
instructed duration. In fact, they seemed to release with a mind of their
own. You can use Unity without rewire, but what's the point? Get an EXS my
friend! Having an additional piece of software (hogging more RAM) in
addition to missing the boat to my VST world (which is heaven) is not my
idea of a good time. The EXS pros (vs cons), you ask? They are vast when
compared to the Unity. The only thing Unity is good for is splitting up
various audio samples automatically into separate samples (like samples of
an audio sample CD), but Peak blows Unity away in this function and Peak
supports VST in its latest incarnation, and does a ton of other useful
stuff. If you buy the Unity, you may live to regret it. I have a very
successful friend (musically speaking) that feels the same way as I do. He's
the only other person I know personally with Unity experience, and I can't
shut him up when he talks about what a rip-off the program is. This isn't a
Bitheadz bashing session, and maybe Unity was an interesting novelty when it
first came out, but the novelty is wearing off--no it's rusting! Take my
advice: go for the good stuff (the EXS). Sorry, Bitheadz (I want my money
back--the Unity and the DS-1) :(   Creative people, Bitheadz. They built a
nice instrument interface. Too bad they never made the Unity a VST
instrument.

> That's easy. Unity sucks (mind-bending latency), EXS rules. My Unity
> software is rotting as we speak.
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The BIG flaw in EXS is that all your instruments are stored in one 
folder. If like me, you have thousands of instruments, then finding 
the one you are after is almost impossible. 
Hopefully this will be improved with the next upgrade (Logic 4.7 I've 
heard) I think the reason is that it is treated like a plug-in, and 
all your plug-ins have to live in one folder don't they?
It should be great when that is sorted, since the integration into 
Logic is very good.




--- In exs-users@egroups.com, Mike E Newman <newnew777@m...> wrote:
> Anyone use both these programs? What are the pro/cons of these 
samplers?
> 
> Thanks

As many people have already pointed out, and as shown in the demo at NAMM,
this problem will be mended in logic 4.7

> From: "Roger Jackson" <scores@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:39:45 -0000
> To: exs-users@egroups.com
> Subject: [exs] Re: EXS24 vs Unity
> 
> The BIG flaw in EXS is that all your instruments are stored in one
> folder. If like me, you have thousands of instruments, then finding
> the one you are after is almost impossible.
> Hopefully this will be improved with the next upgrade (Logic 4.7 I've
> heard) I think the reason is that it is treated like a plug-in, and
> all your plug-ins have to live in one folder don't they?
> It should be great when that is sorted, since the integration into
> Logic is very good.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In exs-users@egroups.com, Mike E Newman <newnew777@m...> wrote:
>> Anyone use both these programs? What are the pro/cons of these
> samplers?
>> 
>> Thanks
> 
> 
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> 
> 
> 
>

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I would take the menu problem over the
Unity's lack of integration with Logic (or Cubase for that matter) any day
of the year. I was so disgusted with ReWire I stopped making music for
months until the EXS was released and embraced it immediately. Performance
is my top concern and the Unity just doesn't have it. I think most EXS users
realized that the menu problem would be fixed in the next version, even
before the Logic update announcement. In the meantime, putting up with these
inconveniences has been a minor irritation, although I welcome with
enthusiasm the update to the menu, looping and virtual arrange controls over
velocity and such. I'm looking forward to these enhancements with
excitement. But if you are suggesting that you would select the Unity based
on its menu function, I can't relate to that. I can almost justify using the
software for target practice. Strong opinion, I know. But I really hated the
DS-1. It certainly did not measure up as a workhorse for my rhythm section,
one of the key reasons I use a sampler. I custom-create all my drum kits,
and having latency on what constitutes the foundation of my tracks is
unacceptable, hierarchical menu or not. Hope this doesn't come across as a
personal attack. It is not meant to be. I just don't want anyone out there
to feel as ripped off as I do by the DS-1. ReWire was heavily hyped and fell
far, far below my expectation. You'd think more people would at least follow
the lead of Native Instruments' Reaktor, who turned a separate program into
a VST-compatible instrument. I've heard there's some latency but nothing
close that the latency experienced with ReWire. Ok, enough complaining. I'll
drop the subject.

> can "just" route environment objects to soft-synths and that way you can
> use looping and the sequence parameters of course.

Is this possible now or in 4.7? Also, can you be more specific about how to
set up the environment routing? This is interesting... Thanks for your
reply.

>"HELP@..." wrote:
> ...
>inconveniences has been a minor irritation, although I welcome with
>enthusiasm the update to the menu, looping and virtual arrange controls over
>velocity and such. I'm looking forward to these enhancements with
>excitement.
> ...


Don\ufffdt get too excited!
As I understood from a post by Michael Haydn to the logic-users group, you
can "just" route environment objects to soft-synths and that way you can
use looping and the sequence parameters of course.

Logically that would mean that in this case you won\ufffdt have sample-accurate
timing anymore....

Cheers,
Alberto

What is going on with egroups???!!!!!!????

Bloody Yahoo, won't let me log on!
Was successful once...... But then not again.

Don't like big companies tacking over something that was doing fine, and then 
fucking it up!!

Sorry for the bad language....... Am pissed off!

Joe

"HELP@..."  wrote:
>> can "just" route environment objects to soft-synths and that way you can
>> use looping and the sequence parameters of course.
>
>Is this possible now or in 4.7?

4.7

--- In exs-users@y..., Alberto Rockuno <alboro@g...> wrote:
> 
> "HELP@M..."  wrote:
> >> can "just" route environment objects to soft-synths and that 
way you can
> >> use looping and the sequence parameters of course.
> >
> >Is this possible now or in 4.7?
> 
> 4.7

I'm a newbie... just started messing with Logic and EXS24 and I 
made a little sequence and set it to loop, but the EXS24 only 
outputs sound for the original sequence and not the looped 
aliases. Is this what you are all referring to or am I missing 
something that should make this work?

Jamie - slomotion

I also would like to know why Logic loops won't play the EXS.....

----- Message d'origine -----
De : "Lee Jones" <mail@...>
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Envoy\ufffd : lundi 29 janvier 2001 15:11
Objet : Re: [exs] Re: EXS24 vs Unity

> I also would like to know why Logic loops won't play the EXS.....
because Emagic want us to creat real things with originality they don't like
repetitive Music ;o)
joke... wait for the next version....
igor

That's funny, Igor... To add to what Igor said, that means watch the emagic
Web site for the 4.7 update.

>> I also would like to know why Logic loops won't play the EXS.....
> because Emagic want us to creat real things with originality they don't like
> repetitive Music ;o)
> joke... wait for the next version....
> igor

--- In exs-users@y..., "Yael & Igor" <yael@n...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De : "Lee Jones" <mail@v...>
> À : <exs-users@y...>
> Envoyé : lundi 29 janvier 2001 15:11
> Objet : Re: [exs] Re: EXS24 vs Unity
> 
> > I also would like to know why Logic loops won't play the EXS.....
> because Emagic want us to creat real things with originality they 
don't like
> repetitive Music ;o)
> joke... wait for the next version....
> igor

There is nothing wrong with repetition
There is nothing wrong with repetition
There is nothing wrong with repetition
There is nothing wrong with repetition

I produce Hip-Hop and dance musicand find The Loop function is an easy 
and fast way to arange.

So don't take the piss...... Hip-Hop is the number one selling music 
in the world, and the neats just go roun, and round, and round, and 
round........

--- In exs-users@y..., "Yael & Igor" <yael@n...> wrote:
> 
> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De : "Lee Jones" <mail@v...>
> À : <exs-users@y...>
> Envoyé : lundi 29 janvier 2001 15:11
> Objet : Re: [exs] Re: EXS24 vs Unity
> 
> > I also would like to know why Logic loops won't play the EXS.....
> because Emagic want us to creat real things with originality they 
don't like
> repetitive Music ;o)
> joke... wait for the next version....
> igor

There is nothing wrong with repetition
There is nothing wrong with repetition
There is nothing wrong with repetition
There is nothing wrong with repetition

I produce Hip-Hop and dance musicand find The Loop function is an easy 
and fast way to arange.

So don't take the piss...... Hip-Hop is the number one selling music 
in the world, and the neats just go roun, and round, and round, and 
round........

Joe

Did I say neats? should say be

(Laugh Out Loud) Funny.

> There is nothing wrong with repetition
> There is nothing wrong with repetition
> There is nothing wrong with repetition
> There is nothing wrong with repetition
> 
> I produce Hip-Hop and dance musicand find The Loop function is an easy
> and fast way to arange.
> 
> So don't take the piss...... Hip-Hop is the number one selling music
> in the world, and the neats just go roun, and round, and round, and
> round........