EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Ok, here is the ultimate of wishes, which I've been politely asking 
Emagic for for almost 2 years now, since buying the EXS24:

I construct drum kits on the fly with drum maps in Logic.  So on my 
Kurzweil I have programs of snares, programs of Kicks, of toms, 
hihats, cymbals, tamborines, etc., etc..  I construct my kits on the 
fly using drum maps.  It is the most amazing way to creatively and --
most importantly-- quickly construct kits for any given song (rock 
vs. pop vs. rap vs. whatever).  My problem is that my K2500 suffers 
from only 48 voices, and has no ability to group hihats, let alone 
limit polyphony per program.  So as I'm playing my Clearmountain 
stereo rides that ring for 15 seconds, my polyphony dies quickly.  

I purchased the EXS24 assuming that I'd be able to put an audio 
instrument at the end of a drum map.  I thought it was a fair 
assumption, being that Logic is generally very flexible.  Once I 
discovered that it couldn't do this, I hoped that Logic would 
someday soon allow me to use hihat and cymbals kits that I would 
construct on the EXS24, and construct (on the fly using drum maps) 
the really creative combinations of kick, snare, toms and percussion 
using my trusty drum maps utilizing my K2500 kick, snare, etc. 
programs.  Well, I'm still waiting.  If you understand what I am 
getting at here, please speak up to Emagic, because they're either 
slow as molasis on this, or they don't yet understand the relevance.

Emagic should smell the potential boon to users of having the power 
to construct their kits in this fashion.  You don't really want to 
construct hundreds of kits in the EXS24, do you?  It's time 
consuming, and can get quickly cumbersome.  With this 
recommendation, Emagic could sell programs of kicks, of snares, of 
toms, etc. to hungry drum lovers and simply provide the drum map 
environment like the one I created.  I simply don't understand why 
they are so slow to improve midi flexibility in their audio 
instruments.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?  I curse Zeus for not giving 
me more patience.

David

Thoughts from the mind of dangcookie, 07-11-2002:

>Ok, here is the ultimate of wishes, which I've been politely asking
>Emagic for for almost 2 years now, since buying the EXS24:
>[...]
>I purchased the EXS24 assuming that I'd be able to put an audio
>instrument at the end of a drum map.

The only reason this doesn't work, is the fact that Logic requires 
you to have the track with the actual instrument selected while 
playing -- so assigning a track to some env.patch and cabling that 
the EXS doesn't work.  This has been a much lamented fact 
(rightfully), and something that imo *must* be fixed in the future.
Your "ultimate of wishes" though is just nothing more than an example 
of one of the many things you can't do due to Logic's treatment of 
virtual instruments.  It's not a special feature that should be added 
-- it's a more general problem that should be fixed.  What you want 
can also not be done with Battery or the LM-4 or any other VSTi, 
since it's a VSTi-treatment problem, and not an EXS one.

Still you _can_ use such drummaps as long as you use a pre-recorded 
midi drumtrack.  Just play your drums with some standard drumset, and 
then later assign the track to an environment patch that lets you 
select any from 60 snares, etc.  The patch could consist of a series 
of condition splitters that route e.g. the basedrum to a 1st EXS 
instance (which has a complete set of basedrums loaded), the snare to 
a 2nd EXS instance, etc.  If you set each condition splitter to 'fix' 
the output pitch to some meta-fader controlled value, you would 
essentially have what you try to do.

Heck, I should build such a thing in my own autoload...  Would be way 
handy...  Thanks for the idea :-).

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Battery let's you audition samples on your hard disk in context. I scroll
through drums while the beat plays to pick the best one.

> HELP@... wrote:
>> Does Phatmatic do this?
>> 
>>> Is there anyway to audition rex files without having to import them,
>>> extract them and then play them  on a track,
> 
> I wish. There's no way to audition in pHATmatik at _ANY_ tempo; on Mac
> anyway.....
> 
> 
> --
> Eli Krantzberg 

Phatmatik Pro will do that in version 1.1 (soon? to be released)

you could always open Recycle and audition with it's file/open command. then
save a copy of the file you want to use in your song folder. Just make sure
you have recycle outputting to a different audio device or strange things
will happen.

teddybut

Pardon me for askign a dumb queston, but ... Doesn't logic already 
let you do this?

1. Assign a track to "Drums Mapped"
2. Go to the relevant environment page, open the drum mapper, and 
route the appropriate keys to different output cables. The 
new "cable" outputs appear on the drum mapper as additional output 
triangles.
3. Click "New/Transformer", create one "transformer" gizmo for each 
output, and wire them up.
4. Wire each transformer module up to a different Audio Instrument. 
5. Load instances of EXS24 into each of these audio instruments, load 
one with your bassdrum kit, andother with your snares, another with 
your hihats, etc.
6. Play with the relevant Transformers to move your output snare note 
events (etc) around the keyboard until they point to whichever key(s) 
on the EXS contain the sounds that you like.


I just tried it, and it all /seems/ to be working, realtime.
Is there some problem here that I'm not seeing?




--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "dangcookie" <dangcookie@a...> 
wrote:
> I purchased the EXS24 assuming that I'd be able to put an audio 
> instrument at the end of a drum map.  I thought it was a fair 
> assumption, being that Logic is generally very flexible.  Once I 
> discovered that it couldn't do this, I hoped that Logic would 
> someday soon allow me to use hihat and cymbals kits that I would 
> construct on the EXS24, and construct (on the fly using drum maps) 
> the really creative combinations of kick, snare, toms and 
percussion 
> using my trusty drum maps utilizing my K2500 kick, snare, etc. 
> programs.  Well, I'm still waiting.